No wonder cities are bankrupt and have no money.

[summit]

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: zoiks

I believe the rest is categorized as 'Other' and not overtime.

But really, a librarian making over $212k? I mean that's a lot for a city worker.

Probably not considering the cost of living in San Jose. Then you'd have to consider that librarian is probably highly educated and in charge of all libraries. All stories like this are designed with one purpose in mind - to rabble the public by the use of jealousy.

Clearly you know nothing of librarians. When comparing education librarians are among the most poorly paid group of people in the country. Ex: My starting pay (with my masters) is 36k (a bit below average). If I stay at this same job my pay would be maybe 20% more in ten years. In fact, I do not think there is a single librarian in this entire state that makes over 100k, much less 200k.

Good Lord, it's a freaking LIBRARIAN job, for gosh sakes. How the hell much is that worth? It's not like you had to go to pre-librarian school, then librarian school, then intern for a couple of years before you became a librarian.
Not knocking the job, but come on. Some jobs are worth more than others. Librarian isn't one of them.

you have no fucking idea what you are talking about. a librarian needs a masters degree at least in librarian science. its not like anyone can just go and be a librarian bud.

 

[Hacp]

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: zoiks

I believe the rest is categorized as 'Other' and not overtime.

But really, a librarian making over $212k? I mean that's a lot for a city worker.

Probably not considering the cost of living in San Jose. Then you'd have to consider that librarian is probably highly educated and in charge of all libraries. All stories like this are designed with one purpose in mind - to rabble the public by the use of jealousy.

Clearly you know nothing of librarians. When comparing education librarians are among the most poorly paid group of people in the country. Ex: My starting pay (with my masters) is 36k (a bit below average). If I stay at this same job my pay would be maybe 20% more in ten years. In fact, I do not think there is a single librarian in this entire state that makes over 100k, much less 200k.

Good Lord, it's a freaking LIBRARIAN job, for gosh sakes. How the hell much is that worth? It's not like you had to go to pre-librarian school, then librarian school, then intern for a couple of years before you became a librarian.
Not knocking the job, but come on. Some jobs are worth more than others. Librarian isn't one of them.

They have masters/PhDs for all kinds of crazy things.

 

[0roo0roo]

you have to remember the cost of living in the sf bay area.

and compared to banker bonus's and such, its basically nothing.

that being said over 200k for a state job is pushing it. unless you are financial/tech sector competition for workers, it shouldn't be that high.

 

[0roo0roo]

also wonder if the "other" compensation is based on insurance/retirement benefits?

even if the top 1000 cost 250k each, it would be 250mil out of a 143billion dollar budget.

 

[TruePaige]

Originally posted by: Summit

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: zoiks

I believe the rest is categorized as 'Other' and not overtime.

But really, a librarian making over $212k? I mean that's a lot for a city worker.

Probably not considering the cost of living in San Jose. Then you'd have to consider that librarian is probably highly educated and in charge of all libraries. All stories like this are designed with one purpose in mind - to rabble the public by the use of jealousy.

Clearly you know nothing of librarians. When comparing education librarians are among the most poorly paid group of people in the country. Ex: My starting pay (with my masters) is 36k (a bit below average). If I stay at this same job my pay would be maybe 20% more in ten years. In fact, I do not think there is a single librarian in this entire state that makes over 100k, much less 200k.

Good Lord, it's a freaking LIBRARIAN job, for gosh sakes. How the hell much is that worth? It's not like you had to go to pre-librarian school, then librarian school, then intern for a couple of years before you became a librarian.
Not knocking the job, but come on. Some jobs are worth more than others. Librarian isn't one of them.

you have no fucking idea what you are talking about. a librarian needs a masters degree at least in librarian science. its not like anyone can just go and be a librarian bud.

Ah, comparing the Dewey Decimal Theory and the Congressional Library Classification Theory! Hard stuff.

 

[Sust]

Those salaries look pretty insane. I didnt know Utah was such an underserved area to be paying their docs that much.

I do wonder about normal people and what they think of how much doctors make.
Do people really think that doctors are overpaid for what they do?
Is the decade of blood/sweat/tears invested in school and training not enough dedicated time to merit that level of income?
Is the 6-figure debt they incur during training not something that needs to be paid off?
Shouldnt we reward ultra-smart and hard-working people who stare death in the eye every day?


/startrant
I ask because I know of a lot of other professions that get away with making a lot more money with a lot less training, a lot less liability, a lot less responsibility, and a lot less ethics. (Finance and big business come to mind a lot of times)
I guess in bad times everyone is angry and people always want to focus anger at people who seem to have a better life, but doctors arent the ones walking out of the OR in droves to protest medicare's dwindling reimbursement, nor are doctors free to walk away from a mess that they caused through their own negligence.
I would hope that as the angry mob lights torches and sharpens pitch forks, they consider that turning on the very people who have worked very hard and sacrificed a lot to stand at the hospital bedside probably shouldnt be the first to be persecuted. There are far more devious targets.
/endrant

 

[shopbruin]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
also wonder if the "other" compensation is based on insurance/retirement benefits?

That is a possibility. The method we use to calculate benefits plus other charges on top of a salary for a a TOTAL cost of an employee is to add around 30%.

An employee that is paid 50,000 would cost approximately 65,000 to the department for salary + benefits + additional costs.

 

[miri]

The cost of living is high in CA but not as high as a lot of you make it out to be, especially with the downturn in housing prices. My wife and I reside comfortably in Irvine which is just as expensive if not more than San Jose on less than 80k a year. We do live in a 1 bedroom apartment although you can probably get a nice 2 bedroom apartment in San Jose for around 2k a month.

Other than rent and mortgage, just about everything else in California costs the same as other parts of the country. Anyway with the economic downturn, certain state workers should start taking some paycuts as some of those salaries are ridiculous for a cash strapped state. Instead what do they do? lay off teachers making 30-40k a year and jack the state tax rate up to the highest in the country along with a bunch of other tax increases.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: miri
The cost of living is high in CA but not as high as a lot of you make it out to be, especially with the downturn in housing prices. My wife and I reside comfortably in Irvine which is just as expensive if not more than San Jose on less than 80k a year. We do live in a 1 bedroom apartment although you can probably get a nice 2 bedroom apartment in San Jose for around 2k a month.

Other than rent and mortgage, just about everything else in California costs the same as other parts of the country. Anyway with the economic downturn, certain state workers should start taking some paycuts as some of those salaries are ridiculous for a cash strapped state. Instead what do they do? lay off teachers making 30-40k a year and jack the state tax rate up to the highest in the country along with a bunch of other tax increases.

You can't possibly be serious. Price ANYTHING in kalifornia vs the rest of the states and see you're paying a premium for everything, that's what cost of living is. 2000 dollars a month for a 2 bedroom APARTMENT!

bwahahhahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhqahahhhahha

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: SupaDupaPan

Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Well, that and they have great weather, an ocean, mountains...

More easily accessible jobs...

Huh, most of the people I know haven't had any problems with that here in the Midwest.

Originally posted by: DLeRium
better home values, better schools.... there's a reason why you pay more. no one wants to live in the middle of nowhere.

Meh, the home values are overinflated because of the items I already mentioned. The homes themselves aren't any more valuable. And the schools, well, that's a huge variable. And actually, some people DO like living in the middle of nowhere

 

[miri]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: miri
The cost of living is high in CA but not as high as a lot of you make it out to be, especially with the downturn in housing prices. My wife and I reside comfortably in Irvine which is just as expensive if not more than San Jose on less than 80k a year. We do live in a 1 bedroom apartment although you can probably get a nice 2 bedroom apartment in San Jose for around 2k a month.

Other than rent and mortgage, just about everything else in California costs the same as other parts of the country. Anyway with the economic downturn, certain state workers should start taking some paycuts as some of those salaries are ridiculous for a cash strapped state. Instead what do they do? lay off teachers making 30-40k a year and jack the state tax rate up to the highest in the country along with a bunch of other tax increases.

You can't possibly be serious. Price ANYTHING in kalifornia vs the rest of the states and see you're paying a premium for everything, that's what cost of living is.

We moved to California in 2006 and I thought it might be like NYC where pretty much everything is more expensive but was surprised that everything besides rent costs pretty much the same as where I lived prior, Virginia, North Carolina, Maryland, Maine and Texas.

Cars cost the same here
Video games cost the same here
Restaurant prices cost the same here
Wine is actually cheaper here
Netflix costs the same here
Computer stuff costs the same here
In N Out burger is actually pretty cheap
Groceries cost the same here (i think produce is cheaper)
Electricity costs the same here, our electric bill averages less than $40/month
Cable costs the same here
Phone service costs the same here
Clothes cost the same here
Gas is slightly more expensive but we dont really notice since our commutes are like 5 miles each way

 

[miri]

Originally posted by: spidey07
2000 dollars a month for a 2 bedroom APARTMENT!

I brought up the 2k/month apartment to because it appears a lot of people think you cant live comfortably making 80k/year here which is false because pretty much everything else costs the same as the rest of the country.

 

[Dr. Detroit]

State sales tax 9+%
CA Income tax 9+%
Gasoline tax
Electricity is a lot higher, it seems cheaper because the climate is mild so heating/cooling is not used as much.
labor costs - any time you have to pay for a plumber, mechanic, or other serivce it is quite a bit higher than most every other state
Vehicle licensing fees - paid yearly and expensive


Lots of taxes - it is crazy expensive to live in this state but I still love it here.

 

[Hacp]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: miri
The cost of living is high in CA but not as high as a lot of you make it out to be, especially with the downturn in housing prices. My wife and I reside comfortably in Irvine which is just as expensive if not more than San Jose on less than 80k a year. We do live in a 1 bedroom apartment although you can probably get a nice 2 bedroom apartment in San Jose for around 2k a month.

Other than rent and mortgage, just about everything else in California costs the same as other parts of the country. Anyway with the economic downturn, certain state workers should start taking some paycuts as some of those salaries are ridiculous for a cash strapped state. Instead what do they do? lay off teachers making 30-40k a year and jack the state tax rate up to the highest in the country along with a bunch of other tax increases.

You can't possibly be serious. Price ANYTHING in kalifornia vs the rest of the states and see you're paying a premium for everything, that's what cost of living is. 2000 dollars a month for a 2 bedroom APARTMENT!

bwahahhahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhqahahhhahha

Compare that to NYC and 2k a month is a bargain...

 

[Slew Foot]

Originally posted by: Fmr12B
State sales tax 9+%
CA Income tax 9+%
Gasoline tax
Electricity is a lot higher, it seems cheaper because the climate is mild so heating/cooling is not used as much.
labor costs - any time you have to pay for a plumber, mechanic, or other serivce it is quite a bit higher than most every other state
Vehicle licensing fees - paid yearly and expensive


Lots of taxes - it is crazy expensive to live in this state but I still love it here.

The price of everyday good is failrly comparable to the rest of the country, its just that you get killed on taxes and housing. Dont let the bust fool you, places that arent ghettos still will cost you over 500K for a livable house.

 

[Playmaker]

Originally posted by: Sust
Those salaries look pretty insane. I didnt know Utah was such an underserved area to be paying their docs that much.

I do wonder about normal people and what they think of how much doctors make.
Do people really think that doctors are overpaid for what they do?
Is the decade of blood/sweat/tears invested in school and training not enough dedicated time to merit that level of income?
Is the 6-figure debt they incur during training not something that needs to be paid off?
Shouldnt we reward ultra-smart and hard-working people who stare death in the eye every day?


/startrant
I ask because I know of a lot of other professions that get away with making a lot more money with a lot less training, a lot less liability, a lot less responsibility, and a lot less ethics. (Finance and big business come to mind a lot of times)
I guess in bad times everyone is angry and people always want to focus anger at people who seem to have a better life, but doctors arent the ones walking out of the OR in droves to protest medicare's dwindling reimbursement, nor are doctors free to walk away from a mess that they caused through their own negligence.
I would hope that as the angry mob lights torches and sharpens pitch forks, they consider that turning on the very people who have worked very hard and sacrificed a lot to stand at the hospital bedside probably shouldnt be the first to be persecuted. There are far more devious targets.
/endrant

I'm not sure what in this thread precipitated that exactly, and I don't believe most people consider MOST docs overpaid, but to have a med school professor that is paid in part with taxpayer making over $1M from academic salary alone is ridiculous.

I happen to think that the ~50% of physicians in primary care in this country are underpaid, and I find the salaries of most of the other ~50% that are specialists reasonable. However, the salaries for those professors are incredibly high. One would expect the enterprising private practice physician to make more than the academic, but apparently that's not the case.

As far as other professions making more with less training, less liability, etc., that's simply a lie. Median salaries in finance, law, and even upper corporate management are lower across the board than median physician salaries. Of course, at the extreme, these individuals make more than physicians, but this has to do with said professions/industries having sharper risk/reward curves and more unrestrained markets.