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AznAnarchy99

Lifer
Dec 6, 2004
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We will some how make Mars habitable and then stupid people are going to unleash the ancient powers of the former life forms on Mars and we will all die.
 

GagHalfrunt

Lifer
Apr 19, 2001
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The entire Population Bomb theory has been discredited. The earth's population is growing at a much slower rate than predicted 20-40 years ago. As opposed to the doomsday scenarios in sci-fi and left-wing literature the population of the world will not reach 20 billion or 25 billion triggering a global die-off from diminishing resources. Evidence now suggests that world population will peak sometime between 2050 and 2100 and not even top 10 billion. With the exception of fossil fuels the world has PLENTY of resources to handle that many people.
 

Eli

Super Moderator | Elite Member
Oct 9, 1999
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There's not really such thing as over population, at least long term.

If the planet can't support the population, some will die off.
 

Muse

Lifer
Jul 11, 2001
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8,305
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Originally posted by: Eli
There's not really such thing as over population, at least long term.

If the planet can't support the population, some will die off.

Dig, that's ridiculous. Would you want to live through the inevitable wars, epidemics and famines that this would entail if the world becomes severly overpopulated? Overpopulated simply means that there are too many humans on the planet to sustain adequately. How many people can we stuff on the planet if we don't care about the quality of life? Easily 20 billion. Would we be in danger of the aforementioned wars, epidemics and famines? You betcha.

I've been concerned with this issue for a long time. Any informed and intelligent person is as well. If you are not, you have your head in the sand or you are just arrived (e.g. maybe 13 years old or younger).
 

Muse

Lifer
Jul 11, 2001
37,840
8,305
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Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
The entire Population Bomb theory has been discredited. The earth's population is growing at a much slower rate than predicted 20-40 years ago. As opposed to the doomsday scenarios in sci-fi and left-wing literature the population of the world will not reach 20 billion or 25 billion triggering a global die-off from diminishing resources. Evidence now suggests that world population will peak sometime between 2050 and 2100 and not even top 10 billion. With the exception of fossil fuels the world has PLENTY of resources to handle that many people.

There are people dieing off in famine and epidemics all over Africa. The idea of overpopulation is quite valid and it has caused people all over the planet to alter their outlook and activity. In China they have had a restriction on child bearing. There have been programs everywhere to increase awareness of fertility control. Planned Parenthood is not a figment of your imagination, nor Rowe vs. Wade. Do you really think having children is a trivial matter?

The quality of life is in some degree inversely proportional to population density. Many denizens of urban population centers will tell you this. If you don't know that, you are uninformed, deluded or inexperienced.

Originally posted by: fitzov
There will be a mass culling of humans by disease eventually, don't worry.

Yeah, but do you want to be there? It won't be pleasant.
 

uhohs

Diamond Member
Oct 29, 2005
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Originally posted by: ta8689
Originally posted by: ironcrotch
Aside from India and China, some countries are in a population crisis. Like Japan, where they aren't having enough children.

Who cares if youre not having enough children? As far as i know, japans population is doing fine.

japan has too many old people and not enough being born. their population is declining/going to decline in the near future.
 

Praxis1452

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Jan 31, 2006
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The world has enough resources to feed the globe. It's just this capitalist system of profit that hinders us. A huge population could be supported many times bigger than ours and everyone have what they need. But we choose not to,
 

Azndude2190

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Jul 4, 2005
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Originally posted by: ta8689
Lately i have heard all this tuff about people saying that abortion is bad, etc. Well i dont disagree with you that it is in a way taking a life, but then I sat down and watched something on the discovery channel or something about overpopulation. I remembered talking about it in biology 2, and It seems to be getting worse. Think about it. We are developing new medicine to keep us healthier longer, and that means that there will be more people on this planet longer. Im not saying that developing medicine is bad. Im all for it. I just think that people who have 5-6 kids, or even 3-4 should really cut down on how many children they have. And with people trying to abolish abortion, well theres more people. And people say, "well just because the parents cant handle it right now doesnt mean you should kill it" Well... i think that may help in keeping our numbers down. It my seem mean, but I think that reducing birth is the most humane way of keeping numbers down. Isnt it better than death??

We could always move you.
 

91TTZ

Lifer
Jan 31, 2005
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Originally posted by: biggestmuff
You must live in or around a large metro area. Ever been to the midwest or even Montana, Idaho, the Dakotas? There's plenty of room.

Should we wait for all of the room to be gone before we declare that it's a problem?
 

eakers

Lifer
Aug 14, 2000
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many western countries (Canada, Germany for example) have a declining population.

1 kid/2 people does that.

Its interesting how as a country becomes more wealthy the less kids people start having.

(and yes, I realise that this in no way counteracts other countries where there are too many people having too many kids)
 

yhelothar

Lifer
Dec 11, 2002
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Overpopulation has two meanings. It depends on which meaning you look at.
Traditionally, people view overpopulation as being too populated that resources become scarce so that everyone gets very little.
But biologically, overpopulation means the environment not being able to sustain the population.
It makes a big difference. Traditionally, yes India and China would be overpopulated as everyone is in poverty. However, biologically, USA is the most overpopulated as they are destroying the environment the quickest.

Either way, technology's exponential rate of expansion would sustain the exponential growth. In the early 1800s, people were probably worried that the earth could not sustain past 1billion people. Now we're at over 6 billion, and we're living off better than before. Reason? Technology evolved to sustain the population growth.
The population will only get as high as technology will allow.

So the answer to your question, am I concerned with overpopulation? Nope. I'm concerned about advancing technology to counter overpopulation constraints.
 

SampSon

Diamond Member
Jan 3, 2006
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Fortunatly I don't have a defeatist attitude like most of my generation.
Life and the world you live in really isn't that bad, get over it.
 

Scarpozzi

Lifer
Jun 13, 2000
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Overpopulation is one of the reasons Mexicans continue to migrate north. If they would just wrap it, there wounldnt be such a problem. I guess the worst place though is Bangladesh....they are way over crowded....so much that they can't grow enough food to feed 1/3 of their population.
 

jadinolf

Lifer
Oct 12, 1999
20,952
3
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Originally posted by: ta8689
Lately i have heard all this tuff about people saying that abortion is bad, etc. Well i dont disagree with you that it is in a way taking a life, but then I sat down and watched something on the discovery channel or something about overpopulation. I remembered talking about it in biology 2, and It seems to be getting worse. Think about it. We are developing new medicine to keep us healthier longer, and that means that there will be more people on this planet longer. Im not saying that developing medicine is bad. Im all for it. I just think that people who have 5-6 kids, or even 3-4 should really cut down on how many children they have. And with people trying to abolish abortion, well theres more people. And people say, "well just because the parents cant handle it right now doesnt mean you should kill it" Well... i think that may help in keeping our numbers down. It my seem mean, but I think that reducing birth is the most humane way of keeping numbers down. Isnt it better than death??

Have at it. I'm almost 72 and I couldn't care less.
 

shortylickens

No Lifer
Jul 15, 2003
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I am very concerned.
Buts its illegal to murder people in mass numbers.

Besides, I'm white and if I accuse all the colored people of not knowing how to use condoms, I'll come off like a racist.
 

jadinolf

Lifer
Oct 12, 1999
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Originally posted by: shortylickens
I am very concerned.
Buts its illegal to murder people in mass numbers.

Besides, I'm white and if I accuse all the colored people of not knowing how to use condoms, I'll come off like a racist.

White? Unpossible!
 

0roo0roo

No Lifer
Sep 21, 2002
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a little, mostly since we are being flooded by mexico. their birth rate is high, and its kept high by bleeding off their excess on us. don't tell me theres no enviromental damage from this. more people = more resource demands and pollution. sierra club has their head in the sand since they fear being called racist. but the problem is population boom effectively nullifies their efforts to fight pollution or global warming, making their cries of imminent crisis a bit bs.


and yea i know some places like germany and japan just don't know how to reproduce anymore, they are losing people. but thats not exactly a reason to support the current system where the population must continuously grow for our economies sake, that can't continue indefinetly.
 

0roo0roo

No Lifer
Sep 21, 2002
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not to mention overpopulation is one of the major reasons the middle east is in the sh*tter. women oppressed into being baby factories. workied ok in the early days when there was enough oil wealth to spread around and it wasn't too crowded. but they kept going until it became insane, and now u got huge amounts of angry jobless youth that arent allowed to have any fun besides killing infidels and such
 

0roo0roo

No Lifer
Sep 21, 2002
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Originally posted by: Promethply
Overpopulation??? Nature will tell us if we've overstreched it -- don't sweat it

like rwanda?

eh, its true, they killed other hutu's where there were no tutsis to kill. farm plots had grown too small to support the population.

aids in africa = population control through beneign neglect?
 

puffff

Platinum Member
Jun 25, 2004
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by the time we reach a population the earth cannot handle, humans will have colonized the moon and mars, giving us plenty more real estate to spread out on.
 

GagHalfrunt

Lifer
Apr 19, 2001
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Originally posted by: Muse
Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
The entire Population Bomb theory has been discredited. The earth's population is growing at a much slower rate than predicted 20-40 years ago. As opposed to the doomsday scenarios in sci-fi and left-wing literature the population of the world will not reach 20 billion or 25 billion triggering a global die-off from diminishing resources. Evidence now suggests that world population will peak sometime between 2050 and 2100 and not even top 10 billion. With the exception of fossil fuels the world has PLENTY of resources to handle that many people.

There are people dieing off in famine and epidemics all over Africa. The idea of overpopulation is quite valid and it has caused people all over the planet to alter their outlook and activity. In China they have had a restriction on child bearing. There have been programs everywhere to increase awareness of fertility control. Planned Parenthood is not a figment of your imagination, nor Rowe vs. Wade. Do you really think having children is a trivial matter?

The quality of life is in some degree inversely proportional to population density. Many denizens of urban population centers will tell you this. If you don't know that, you are uninformed, deluded or inexperienced.

ROFLMAO. So clueless and so anxious to prove it to the world. You think Africa is experiencing famines and epidemics because ot overpopulation? The poulation density in Africa is the lowest in the world. A typical African country like Sudan, Nigeria or Somalia has a population density of 20-30 people per square mile. In England it's 700 per square mile, in Japan it's close to 1000. Care to offer some of your wonderfully humorous insight into the famine and disease running rampant in England and Japan due to their population density. You are completely, 100% ignorant. The famine and disease in Africa is attributable to one simple factor: Most of it is a freaking desert!! The land won't grow food. They can't feed their people and have nothing of value to trade for food. They have no economy so they can't buy medicine, they have no economy so they can't afford to build schools and teach people how to avoid diseases like AIDS. You can't have a viable economy when you live in the middle of a desert unless there's oil under it and most of Africa has no oil, no mining, no nothing.

You really need to close down ATOT once in a while, crack open a book and at least make an effort to educate yourself before spouting off on things you don't understand. The problem with starvation in Africa could not possibly be more unrelated to population density.
 
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