But reform is needed. While they are under the process of seeking asylum, they legally can’t work yet. And backlog for judge to see let alone make a ruling is apparently up to 2026. So unfortunately they are a drain on resources in the meantime
But reform is needed. While they are under the process of seeking asylum, they legally can’t work yet. And backlog for judge to see let alone make a ruling is apparently up to 2026. So unfortunately they are a drain on resources in the meantimeStill don't understand the whole border crisis thing, like people coming here desperate for a new life are going to ruin the country somehow? I guess people buy into the whole "they're sending rapists and murderers" line?
Here’s what you’re looking for - it’s called a self-coup.Look up COUP D'ÉTAT.
The reality is that CNN got it's biggest audience in years, and Trump got a bounce in the polls. He walked out of that town hall in better shape than when he walked in.
A self-coup, also called an autocoup (from the Spanish: autogolpe), or coup from the top, is a form of coup d'état in which a nation's head, having come to power through legal means, tries to stay in power through illegal means.
The whole point of a coup is an attempt to seize political power illegally. It can take multiple forms from violent to bureaucratic, but the part that matters is the illegal seizure of power.
Well greenie hasn’t used that they were unarmed defense in a while.Trump came to power legally, and attempted to stay in power illegally. That’s a self-coup. For further confirmation check the same article for ‘notable events described as self-coups’. So can we stop with the whole ‘it wasn’t a coup attempt’ nonsense? It’s plain as day.
Yes if memory serves before he argued it wasn’t an insurrection because no one had been charged with insurrection. Now that we have numerous convictions for seditious conspiracy, which is the same thing, he seems to have abandoned that line of argument.Well greenie hasn’t used that they were unarmed defense in a while.
Yep. Greenie thought he got off on a technicality that there wasnt massive amounts a violence involved, thousands dead etc. His next response is of course that he doesnt recognize the concept of a soft coup aka "Democracy dies in broad daylight".The whole point of a coup is an attempt to seize political power illegally. It can take multiple forms from violent to bureaucratic, but the part that matters is the illegal seizure of power.
Trump lost the presidency. Trump tried to illegally overturn the results so he could be president anyway. That’s a coup. Period.
Yes if memory serves before he argued it wasn’t an insurrection because no one had been charged with insurrection. Now that we have numerous convictions for seditious conspiracy, which is the same thing, he seems to have abandoned that line of argument.
I don’t think Greenman (and lots of other people) understand how close we came to the end of democracy there. I know I didn’t appreciate it at the time. It wasn’t the attack on the Capitol, it was Pence. All Trump needed was for Pence to throw out those electoral votes and he would probably still be president today.
I think it would have been successful, yes, and this was a coordinated plan.Do you really reckon it would have ended there? Seems to me that's giving too much credit to Pence, as if he's somehow the saviour of Democracy. Had Pence behaved otherwise (i.e. as Trump wanted him to) all hell might have broken lose, and there would have been a huge crisis, but I don't see that everyone would just shrug their shoulders and accept "oh well, Trump's still President then, I guess".
There were a whole lot of other things Trump would have had to have done to have laid the groundwork for a successful coup, and he was far too incompetent and short-term in his thinking to have done any of those things (I mean, he, and the Republicans in general, tried multiple different methods simultaneously, from court-cases to fake electors, to storming the capital, and trying to have electoral boards throw out votes, and none of them were properly co-ordinated - they were just wildly throwing everything at the wall and hoping something stuck).
I agree Trump attempted a coup, I don't agree it was ever likely to be an effective one. But there is of course always the Beerhall Putsch to bear in mind, so it's probably important that there be consequences for what he did, however botched it was. Plus I'm sure there are people in the Republican ranks who learned a lot from the 'experiment'.
Do you really reckon it would have ended there? Seems to me that's giving too much credit to Pence, as if he's somehow the saviour of Democracy. Had Pence behaved otherwise (i.e. as Trump wanted him to) all hell might have broken lose, and there would have been a huge crisis, but I don't see that everyone would just shrug their shoulders and accept "oh well, Trump's still President then, I guess".
There were a whole lot of other things Trump would have had to have done to have laid the groundwork for a successful coup, and he was far too incompetent and short-term in his thinking to have done any of those things (I mean, he, and the Republicans in general, tried multiple different methods simultaneously, from court-cases to fake electors, to storming the capital, and trying to have electoral boards throw out votes, and none of them were properly co-ordinated - they were just wildly throwing everything at the wall and hoping something stuck).
I agree Trump attempted a coup, I don't agree it was ever likely to be an effective one. But there is of course always the Beerhall Putsch to bear in mind, so it's probably important that there be consequences for what he did, however botched it was. Plus I'm sure there are people in the Republican ranks who learned a lot from the 'experiment'.
Still don't understand the whole border crisis thing, like people coming here desperate for a new life are going to ruin the country somehow? I guess people buy into the whole "they're sending rapists and murderers" line?
But most brass would ignore any orders if the orange monkey demanded deploying troops across the country to stop the riots. Just how many foot soldiers would quit and fight and join the orange monkey militia?You have facts on the ground - Trump is president and he controls the army and federal law enforcement. Possession is 9/10ths of the law and all. So no, people don't shrug their shoulders but in the end unless you think we're going to have a second coup and the army ousts Trump or whatever, how DOES that end up with Biden as president?
I'm not so sure about that because confusion would be key to this. Trump wouldn't have said 'I'm doing a coup LOL', he would have said that Republicans were following the Constitution in the case of a disputed result. We all know that's bullshit but the average person would probably think there was genuine confusion and after all you just had the House affirm Trump's victory.But most brass would ignore any orders if the orange monkey demanded deploying troops across the country to stop the riots. Just how many foot soldiers would quit and fight and join the orange monkey militia?
I agree there, but I'm pretty sure the delays and such are a feature to some people. They should be let through far faster with more resources devoted to it to make that happen, but the right wing would flip their shit. The whole "I support legal immigration" thing is just bs, they only support it right now because it's a pathetically slow and difficult process.But reform is needed. While they are under the process of seeking asylum, they legally can’t work yet. And backlog for judge to see let alone make a ruling is apparently up to 2026. So unfortunately they are a drain on resources in the meantime
He’s probably going to win every state and then the senate and house are going to add extra seats to accommodate all the republicans that won along with him.Thanks CNN for trying to re-normalize Trump.
This guy's going to be President again, isn't he?
I don't want to appear rude but no thanks, we don't want you!You know, we do have a third option.
If Donald Trump and maga are so hell bent on regaining power and picking up where they left off on January 6th to totally destroy American democracy, well if thats their plan then I say we might as bloody well return back to British rule.
It was never on my list, nor Faux.I took CNN off of my bookmarks on my bookmarks bar. Fuck that noise.
It seems nearly impossible that Trump would be in prison before the election, the cases just are not advanced enough for that to happen in the time frame.The other thing about the possibility of Trump getting the nomination is that it's not completely impossible he could end up in prison. From what I read, unlikely, but technically possible.
And, apparently, there's no Constitutional bar to running for the Presidency from a prison cell (Eugene Debs did it, I believe). Which, as well as making it significantly harder for the Republicans to win, also opens up the awesome possibility of Trump becoming President while in prison. I say 'awesome' just from fascination at the sheer weirdness of such an outcome.
Trump went for the back of the room with that line, which was both tactical AND true. In order not to seem lecturing and condescending, I suggest you open your mind a bit by reading Ann Coulter's book: "Adios Amigos". My wife was an intelligent lefty and it changed her mind about "immigration". One of her must salient points is that we have our own crop of monsters to deal with, why import more?Still don't understand the whole border crisis thing, like people coming here desperate for a new life are going to ruin the country somehow? I guess people buy into the whole "they're sending rapists and murderers" line?
I plan on voting for Ramaswamy or DeSantis, if possible. BTW, I balance my 2016-2020 choices by saying that I voted against his opponents, not for him.Well yes you should feel stupid for giving him a shot in 2016. But important thing is no longer stupid in continuing to support him