Nokia Lumia 1020 Thread

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Yes, its called skydrive.

No thanks.

Missing apps like Dropbox is an instant deal breaker for me. That and, as far as I'm aware, the inability of WP8 devices to play various video formats.

This 1020 phone at least has a mSD slot right? There would be no sense in putting such a camera into a phone without being able to have pictures go right to mSD.
 

bearxor

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No, the 1020 doesn't have mSD.

By default, the phone only saves 5MP versions of the photos that have been over sampled from the 38MP version.

And I will say that the 5MP version of photos this thing puts out looks better than the photos I take with my iPhone 5 or Lumia 920. I would probably leave it on the 5MP only setting unless I was taking something I knew I'd need to mess around with later.
 
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No thanks.

Missing apps like Dropbox is an instant deal breaker for me. That and, as far as I'm aware, the inability of WP8 devices to play various video formats.

This 1020 phone at least has a mSD slot right? There would be no sense in putting such a camera into a phone without being able to have pictures go right to mSD.

I think Yahoo added Dropbox support in their e-mail client. I'm not sure that would help you any, but...
 

IamDavid

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No thanks.

Missing apps like Dropbox is an instant deal breaker for me. That and, as far as I'm aware, the inability of WP8 devices to play various video formats.

This 1020 phone at least has a mSD slot right? There would be no sense in putting such a camera into a phone without being able to have pictures go right to mSD.

There's multiple Dropbox apps in the marketplace, some with 5 stars.
I have yet to find a video format I couldn't play by using either the default or third party app.
SD slot was scary for me. I take more pc's and videos then anyone I know. Surprisingly I've had zero issue by using skydrive and the free 50gb's of ATT locker space..

My main gripe about WP8 is the lack of setting tweaks. I hate not being able to assign different email notifications or remove text banners.... MS needs to back off a bit on the lockdown environment.

MS Office = never using another mobile OS for me. Now with the 1020 I don't have to bother..
 

Narse

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No, the 1020 doesn't have mSD.

By default, the phone only saves 5MP versions of the photos that have been over sampled from the 38MP version.

And I will say that the 5MP version of photos this thing puts out looks better than the photos I take with my iPhone 5 or Lumia 920. I would probably leave it on the 5MP only setting unless I was taking something I knew I'd need to mess around with later.

I have it set to do both and delete to huge res files off the phone after they upload to ATT Locker. I hope SkyDrive adds support for the full res photos soon as I would prefer them all in one place.

Also I don't understand the hate for SkyDrive. I have used all the major cloud storage providers and some non major ones. I truly prefer SkyDrive.
 

pandemonium

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Oh how I want to get this phone. The things holding me back are: no SD card slot (I prefer local storage; cloud storage may be the way the market is going, but I can manage my own media just fine, thanks) and the body color that doesn't bother me is black and that's boring IMHO.

People complaining about specs need to realize that WPs don't need to push the limits of emerging hardware. Nokia's hardware has traditionally been very solidly placed for the OS they used; never pretty on paper, but in real world experiences it simply worked and worked very well. Go try one out and then complain about how it needs a faster/bigger CPU.

To those with the phone: can you comment on how much space is available on the internal storage with a few apps installed and such? If it's 25GB+ I may reconsider my stance on needing an SD slot.
 

Crono

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There is supposedly a 64GB version of the 1020 headed to the UK on the carrier O2. I'm not sure if it is coming to the United States, but I'd wait a week at least for news if anyone was considering purchasing it right away and was hoping for more storage.

EDIT: looking at older news, it probably isn't headed here
 
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pandemonium

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Yeah, I remember reading about that. I could order it internationally or through an overseas friend/family member if I really wanted to.
 

Munky

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Looks tempting. The lack of expandable storage is a concern, but I rarely use that feature on my current phone. The camera, however, is something I use often, as well as Nokia's excellent maps software.
 

bearxor

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I have it set to do both and delete to huge res files off the phone after they upload to ATT Locker. I hope SkyDrive adds support for the full res photos soon as I would prefer them all in one place.

Also I don't understand the hate for SkyDrive. I have used all the major cloud storage providers and some non major ones. I truly prefer SkyDrive.

How often do you go back and pull the 38MP versions?
 

dguy6789

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People complaining about specs need to realize that WPs don't need to push the limits of emerging hardware.

Why do people keep defending Windows Phones for being underpowered with this rationale? How well the phone runs the OS is not why we want better processing power so quit saying we don't need more processing power because the OS runs fine. More CPU, memory, and better graphics performance are for running increasingly complex apps better(And before anyone says "What intensive apps on Windows Phone?" there aren't many(any) because there aren't powerful Windows phones...). Heck just web browsing isn't that good even now if you go on any remotely system intensive website even on a Snapdragon 600 phone.
 

Munky

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Why do people keep defending Windows Phones for being underpowered with this rationale? How well the phone runs the OS is not why we want better processing power so quit saying we don't need more processing power because the OS runs fine. More CPU, memory, and better graphics performance are for running increasingly complex apps better(And before anyone says "What intensive apps on Windows Phone?" there aren't many(any) because there aren't powerful Windows phones...). Heck just web browsing isn't that good even now if you go on any remotely system intensive website even on a Snapdragon 600 phone.

What kind of demanding apps do people run that requires a quad core phone? Notice how Apple was stuck on single core and less RAM for the longest time, and no one that I remember complained. In fact, that's all I'd hear from Apple fans how snappy, smooth and responsive their phone was, and how they have more apps than any other eco system. At some point I have to question whether or not more of anything is actually useful, or just an e-peen contest.
 

pantsaregood

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Why do people keep defending Windows Phones for being underpowered with this rationale? How well the phone runs the OS is not why we want better processing power so quit saying we don't need more processing power because the OS runs fine. More CPU, memory, and better graphics performance are for running increasingly complex apps better(And before anyone says "What intensive apps on Windows Phone?" there aren't many(any) because there aren't powerful Windows phones...). Heck just web browsing isn't that good even now if you go on any remotely system intensive website even on a Snapdragon 600 phone.

Web browsing on Windows Phone devices doesn't lead to a "not that good" experience as of now. Even WP7.5 devices handle web browsing fine, and they're single-core Snapdragon S2s.

As for complex apps, what do you do with your phone that should rightfully take up a lot of resources? Play games? That's about the only legitimate response I can see most people giving. I doubt many people use their phones for encoding audio/video, or editing video. The tasks that most people expect their phones to do simply have no real reason to be resource-intensive.
 

Crono

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Why do people keep defending Windows Phones for being underpowered with this rationale? How well the phone runs the OS is not why we want better processing power so quit saying we don't need more processing power because the OS runs fine. More CPU, memory, and better graphics performance are for running increasingly complex apps better(And before anyone says "What intensive apps on Windows Phone?" there aren't many(any) because there aren't powerful Windows phones...). Heck just web browsing isn't that good even now if you go on any remotely system intensive website even on a Snapdragon 600 phone.

On Windows Phone: We don't need to keep pushing higher and higher clocked CPUs, more cores, and beyond "retina" displays at the same time at this current rate, not if the OS and the vast majority of apps can get by with less. Not in the mobile space. Right now the only Android phones that can give more than 8 hours of battery life and have the current generation of Snapdragon processors are large phablet or near-phablet sized phones, and not everyone wants that. Nor the amount of heat generated by these phones (I have a One - it gets very warm when the CPU/GPU runs demanding games/apps, and the S4 gets hot and/or throttles).

I'm all for faster and faster phones with more features and capabilities, but I haven't seen a need to push faster than current battery tech has progressed. Just look at the phone most reviewers are saying has good battery life and runs about as fast as the GS4 in practical use: the Moto X, which doesn't possess the very highest clocked Snapdragon 800 processor or 3GB of RAM. There are plenty of other optimizations and ways to cleverly design phones to get better performance without simply throwing more power into a phone (though in the Moto X's case, additional cores may have helped, but not at the expense of battery life).

If you look at the Gingerbread era of Android phones, just more and more megahertz did squat to help Android phones compete against iPhone. I don't think there was a magic level of hardware advancement that suddenly fixed things; it was the combination of incremental hardware improvements and OS-level improvements from Jelly Bean that made things much, much smoother. No one is saying Windows Phone needs to stay stagnant with hardware, it just doesn't need to be at the very forefront in order to be a very good platform.

You can put xx GHz in a phone and keep adding more and more RAM, but it doesn't help if the phone is throttling because of thermal constraints or if you are unable to use even half the RAM because it's simply hard to have enough apps running to do that. The RAM is a bit of a chicken-and-egg situation to be sure, but remember adding any hardware increases the cost of the phone to the consumer even if it doesn't cost the manufacturer much. And frankly I'd take a phenomenal 41-megapixel phone with 2GB of RAM than a 2.2 GHz phone with 3GB of RAM which has no other feature of the same caliber. Things will change in the future for sure, but I don't see why Window Phone needs to have the maximum specs. They might sound good on paper but usually come with requirements or drawbacks.

If web browsing is unacceptable to you right now on phones, I would argue that's something that needs to be improved on the software/browser side and even the network side. I have no issues on any of the phones I have. I don't think it's reasonable to say web browsing is a case where the hardware isn't good enough even on lower end phones. My Lumia 521 handles web pages pretty snappily, nearly as quickly to me (though I haven't benchmarked it) as any of the Android phones I've used. And that's a dirt cheap Windows Phone. The equivalent Android phones may have better hardware but aren't as smooth or consistent. The lower end of the market is one area where you can see Windows Phone has an advantage over Android, where the cry for higher specs will actually price you out of the market or give you a subpar overall experience.

If you want max specs, by all means go for a flagship Android phone that pushes the envelope. There are the ~6.0" phones out there and on the horizon that do just that. There's nothing wrong with choosing that route, just as there is nothing wrong with choosing a Windows Phone with "underpowered" specifications. But I don't see a 41-Megapixel Android phone at this time, nor do I see Android phones as good as the Windows Phones and as unique at the low and mid range. So I think there is room for both strategies and approaches. I have Android and Windows phones. I'm sure part of the hardware lag isn't intentional or permanent - remember that Android wasn't always leaps and bounds ahead of Apple in every area. Especially in the camera area, where phones like the One, GS4, Xperia Z, and G2 have only just starting to get competitive against the iPhone.
 
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notposting

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Something to add: MS *is* increasing the chassis specs every year or so. So there is a universal set of hardware across the line, and they can wait for the SOC that is the refined and less power hungry version every time.

And I have NO problems with the performance of my Lumia 928. For that matter, I still use my HTC Trophy which is 1GHz Snapdragon (something like original Droid Incredible level hardware) and it runs smooth as butter, if a bit slower in loading times.
 

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Why do people keep defending Windows Phones for being underpowered with this rationale? How well the phone runs the OS is not why we want better processing power so quit saying we don't need more processing power because the OS runs fine. More CPU, memory, and better graphics performance are for running increasingly complex apps better(And before anyone says "What intensive apps on Windows Phone?" there aren't many(any) because there aren't powerful Windows phones...). Heck just web browsing isn't that good even now if you go on any remotely system intensive website even on a Snapdragon 600 phone.

I have yet to see Android come even close to as smooth and snappy as my 920 and 1020 are. Halo Spartan Assault is pretty damn demanding and its smooth as silk. The simple truth is Windows Phone 8 is much more efficient than Android.

Canned benchmarks mean nothing. Its no more than a epeen contest and I grew tired of that long ago.

Here is what I know. My Nokia Lumia 1020 loads web pages as fast or faster than my old iPhone 5 that my wife now uses. It takes much better pictures. Has Office that I use every day, and has a start screen that I can look at and get information as weather, upcoming meeting, notifications for twitter and Facebook without needing to open anything.

I am a very odd person as I really have no brand loyalty. I will use whatever platform I feel is best for me at the time and will switch everything I have to do so. I have been heavily invested in iPhone and Google in the past. You are welcome to look up my posts in the 14 years I have been a member here and a IT Professional. There is a very good reason why I am now invested in the Windows 8 infrastructure. It is simply fantastic for what I need to do.
 

Narse

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How often do you go back and pull the 38MP versions?

Honestly rarely. The 5mp versions are fantastic. If I need to zoom in and get detail I use the 38mp version. Also as I use a xbox music subscription I have all my media in the cloud so I am not using any local storage for music. I have 14gb free currently on my 1020. 5.1gb is used by apps and games, 7.2gb in pictures, and video and 2gb for the system. I could easily drop another 5gb by pulling off the photos.

NOTE: The 38mp pictures are big, 15mb average.
 

pantsaregood

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The 38 MP images are absurdly large, but they don't really serve a purpose if you don't plan on reframing them. The Lumia 1020's camera isn't so great because of its resolution - the high resolution only serves the purpose of allowing you to freely zoom and reframe. If you're doing neither of those, the oversampled 5 MP images will generally look better.
 

pandemonium

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Why do people keep defending Windows Phones for being underpowered with this rationale? How well the phone runs the OS is not why we want better processing power so quit saying we don't need more processing power because the OS runs fine. More CPU, memory, and better graphics performance are for running increasingly complex apps better(And before anyone says "What intensive apps on Windows Phone?" there aren't many(any) because there aren't powerful Windows phones...). Heck just web browsing isn't that good even now if you go on any remotely system intensive website even on a Snapdragon 600 phone.

/facepalm

How is rationalizing better hardware for future proofing any more reasonable? If your OS doesn't run well on the latest hardware currently, how is requiring better and better hardware going to provide any sort of reachable goal? It won't. WP runs very smoothly. If your OS doesn't run well currently, expecting it to eventually be corrected by more powerful hardware is a fool's endeavor.

Go. Try. It.
 
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elitejp

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And this is what I keep hearing from wp8 users over and over again and that is that it runs smooth and quick. From non users you hear how its underpowered and must be slow. And with the windows phone platform I highly doubt anyone is giving this os any undue praise.
 

biostud

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My biggest gripes around wp8 is:

-lack of settings/tweak options
-media sites still using flash/quicktime as their only streaming options

But I would still choose a wp8 phone again
 

bearxor

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Windows Phone has more pressing issues than hardware stagnation. Let Microsoft get the software up to snuff before accelerating the hardware. It worked for Android.
 

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Something to add: MS *is* increasing the chassis specs every year or so. So there is a universal set of hardware across the line, and they can wait for the SOC that is the refined and less power hungry version every time.

And I have NO problems with the performance of my Lumia 928. For that matter, I still use my HTC Trophy which is 1GHz Snapdragon (something like original Droid Incredible level hardware) and it runs smooth as butter, if a bit slower in loading times.
Increasing hardware on a yearly basis is simply stupid, Microsoft needs to base spec updates on their SoC partners road maps not their own glacial schedule.

Windows Phone has always been dead last in the hardware department but very soon they will be an unprecedented 3 generations behind Android (S4 Pro, Krait 300/ Exynos Octa,Krait 400)

People always counter by saying that Apple doesn't compete on specs but they most certainly do when it suits them, just watch the iPad 4 launch if you need proof.
 

notposting

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Increasing hardware on a yearly basis is simply stupid, Microsoft needs to base spec updates on their SoC partners road maps not their own glacial schedule.

Windows Phone has always been dead last in the hardware department but very soon they will be an unprecedented 3 generations behind Android (S4 Pro, Krait 300/ Exynos Octa,Krait 400)

People always counter by saying that Apple doesn't compete on specs but they most certainly do when it suits them, just watch the iPad 4 launch if you need proof.

Point 1: what do you think they are doing? They base their spec updates on their partners ability to provide the hardware to all of their OEM's and a balance between affordability and performance.

Point 2: except for the spec update coming this fall...but that might not fit the narrative. Oh, and it will still run better than Android.

Point 3: Wait, what? Anyway, what fantasy world is it again where a 1.5GHz dual core and a gig of RAM providing great performance is bad? The ONLY people I know who would care about that are Android fanboys and cell-phone salespeople who will push phones because they have more GHZ's.
 
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