Nokia Lumia Icon is better than Samsung Galaxy in some aspects.

[Crono]

Recent Samsungs had this first...

Anyway, I don't think WP really competes with Android or iOS flagships on any hardware-to-hardware basis. Either you want the simplified OS experience or not. If you do, the handsets themselves are good enough, but that's not going to decide it for anyone.

What was the first Samsung phone to have it? Nokia Lumias have worked with regular gloves since the Lumia 920, if not earlier.

And Microsoft isn't hugely behind on hardware anymore, but they don't iterate as fast as all the Android manufacturers. Apple and the Android manufacturers leapfrog each other all the time and Windows Phone usually keeps a 6 month pace behind Android. But since Windows Phone is fairly optimized somewhere between iOS and Android in terms of how much hardware needs to be supported, it runs pretty smoothly on a generation behind.

Mobile hardware has reached a level of maturity now that you aren't seeing a massive level of new functionality from one generation to the next, even going to a new process node. The Galaxy S6 and iPhone 6 aren't shooting magical sparkly rainbows out of their screens, it's really just fingerprint sensors and modest increases in batter life and paper specs.

I use Android and iOS on a daily basis, so it's not like I'm blind to their advantages, but it's really the headstart in apps that is keeping Windows at a distant third. Specs still matter to us geeks, but the dominant complaint about Windows Phone is that there aren't any apps for it because no one is using it. It's the chicken-and-egg app development problem that's usually two step forwards, one step back, that has been plaguing the OS since before Mango on WP7.

I think Windows 10 is going to bring greater success and grow the platform, but loyal WP users are going to have to exercise some patience.

 

[gmaster456]

What was the first Samsung phone to have it? Nokia Lumias have worked with regular gloves since the Lumia 920, if not earlier.

And Microsoft isn't hugely behind on hardware anymore, but they don't iterate as fast as all the Android manufacturers. Apple and the Android manufacturers leapfrog each other all the time and Windows Phone usually keeps a 6 month pace behind Android. But since Windows Phone is fairly optimized somewhere between iOS and Android in terms of how much hardware needs to be supported, it runs pretty smoothly on a generation behind.

Mobile hardware has reached a level of maturity now that you aren't seeing a massive level of new functionality from one generation to the next, even going to a new process node. The Galaxy S6 and iPhone 6 aren't shooting magical sparkly rainbows out of their screens, it's really just fingerprint sensors and modest increases in batter life and paper specs.

I use Android and iOS on a daily basis, so it's not like I'm blind to their advantages, but it's really the headstart in apps that is keeping Windows at a distant third. Specs still matter to us geeks, but the dominant complaint about Windows Phone is that there aren't any apps for it because no one is using it. It's the chicken-and-egg app development problem that's usually two step forwards, one step back, that has been plaguing the OS since before Mango on WP7.

I think Windows 10 is going to bring greater success and grow the platform, but loyal WP users are going to have to exercise some patience.

Snapdragon 800 is a solid year+ behind Android at this point.

I could get past that though, if like you said, apps weren't an issue.

 

[sweenish]

This is late, but seriously.

We are nerds, we always will knock Samsung for Touchwiz. With that said, we also don't make the mistakes normals make and allow Samsung to define the entire platform.

And Samsung is learning. The Note 4 barely had skin, the S6 is even better they say.

Uh, read the OP much? The discussion is strictly about a 2 brand comparison, not an operating system shoot-out. I also excluded the Note 4. Did you actually read my post? Because it seems like you didn't.

What does that even mean?

It will get OS updates longer? With the Nexus 2012 getting 5.1 I think that isn't a safe bet. I bet the Nexus 6 will get new versions of Android as long as any MS phone.

Will be able to run the newest apps longer? Maybe, but that is because of the limitation of the platform.

It means exactly what I said. Context. People always forget context. Windows Phone runs smoother on less hardware than Android. I said that. You should have read that. I don't change subjects every sentence. So, it would follow that I was still talking about that same thing.

An S800 will be a fantastic chip in Windows Phone devices longer than they would be in Android devices. It's a pretty cut and dry statement. There was nothing in there to confuse.

If you want an OS shoot-out, that's not this thread, and it certainly wasn't my post.

 

[Amol S.]

Snapdragon 800 is a solid year+ behind Android at this point.

I could get past that though, if like you said, apps weren't an issue.

Snapdragon 800 is better, cause it uses less electricity

 

[notposting]

Snapdragon 800 is better, cause it uses less electricity

Wat? Process improvements, improved processing, plus more on board and improved subsidiary chips (modems, DSP for encoding, etc) all lead to power usage improvements.

 

[Nebor]

I was a die-hard windows phone fan. I had the first Sony Xperia with windows mobile 6.5, then a Samsung Focus, and then a Nokia 920. But here we are, years after the 920 came out and there isn't a replacement flagship phone. My Nokia 920 is starting to spaz out, with weird screen brightnesses, lockups, bluetooth problems, etc. I need a new phone, but Microsoft doesn't have anything for me to buy.

At the same time, I'm about ready to trade in my junky Surface Pro 1 for a new tablet, and while I like the SP3, I think I may just go pick up an iPhone 6 and iPad and be done with Microsoft's mobile aspirations. They've really fumbled Windows Phone.

 

[Amol S.]

Wat? Process improvements, improved processing, plus more on board and improved subsidiary chips (modems, DSP for encoding, etc) all lead to power usage improvements.

it will require more electricity the new ones on the nokia only, because the newones are less compatable with, .zip,c++,c+,h,.EXIF, and.MANFIEST files and prog languages, and those are something windows phone uses.

 

[Crono]

I was a die-hard windows phone fan. I had the first Sony Xperia with windows mobile 6.5, then a Samsung Focus, and then a Nokia 920. But here we are, years after the 920 came out and there isn't a replacement flagship phone. My Nokia 920 is starting to spaz out, with weird screen brightnesses, lockups, bluetooth problems, etc. I need a new phone, but Microsoft doesn't have anything for me to buy.

At the same time, I'm about ready to trade in my junky Surface Pro 1 for a new tablet, and while I like the SP3, I think I may just go pick up an iPhone 6 and iPad and be done with Microsoft's mobile aspirations. They've really fumbled Windows Phone.

I think you mean a flagship replacement for the 929/930/1020/1520. Yeah, it's taking a while, but considering one of the biggest updates is coming in a few months with Windows 10, it's understandable why Microsoft is waiting.

And it's not surprising you are having issues with those products, many users have problems with some (maybe not all) older products and the latest versions of iOS or Android, in case you aren't keeping up with those platforms.

If all you need is to browse and use apps without deep customization or filesystem access, you probably will be happier with an iPad, though.

 

[notposting]

it will require more electricity the new ones on the nokia only, because the newones are less compatable with, .zip,c++,c+,h,.EXIF, and.MANFIEST files and prog languages, and those are something windows phone uses.

Did Ducknuts go get an alt account? :hmm:

 

[Amol S.]

Did Ducknuts go get an alt account? :hmm:

Who is ducknuts?

 

[Crono]

My Icon's battery life has been abysmal lately. It was never as good as any other Lumia - and the 1520 has excellent battery - but I've only been getting 4 hours of battery life under heavy usage. I don't know if it's solely Denim or a different update, and I've tried disabling a bunch of things and using the "Battery" app to track usage.

I'm switching over to T-Mobile anyway because Verizon is killing me with their data plan, so the Icon is going bye bye in trade-in. Great phone, but never as good as the 1520 except for the smaller design (much less thumb strain and less slippery).

I'll probably get a good value Android phone like the Zenfone 2 and keep my Lumia 521 around until I can get the 640 XL.

The Android HTC One M8 was also a better phone than the Icon, overall, even if the Icon's camera was better (the two phones have complementary camera strengths and weaknesses, actually). Not sure about WP version of that phone, but I assume it would be, too.

 

[notposting]

My Icon's battery life has been abysmal lately. It was never as good as any other Lumia - and the 1520 has excellent battery - but I've only been getting 4 hours of battery life under heavy usage. I don't know if it's solely Denim or a different update, and I've tried disabling a bunch of things and using the "Battery" app to track usage.

I'm switching over to T-Mobile anyway because Verizon is killing me with their data plan, so the Icon is going bye bye in trade-in. Great phone, but never as good as the 1520 except for the smaller design (much less thumb strain and less slippery).

I'll probably get a good value Android phone like the Zenfone 2 and keep my Lumia 521 around until I can get the 640 XL.

The Android HTC One M8 was also a better phone than the Icon, overall, even if the Icon's camera was better (the two phones have complementary camera strengths and weaknesses, actually). Not sure about WP version of that phone, but I assume it would be, too.

I'm quite underwhelmed with the Icon. I still have my 928 (have it on a GoPhone line, no data, just .10/min calling) and use it just as much. The Icon's camera falls short indoors, with or without the flash, and I use the camera a lot - kids, basically. Outdoors, the Icon is great but yeah, the battery life is sketchy, you'd think they could've squeezed in a microSD slot, and at least on mine the speaker is way too quiet. :/

Ha, PhoneArena did a camera shootout and the 930 won yesterday. So they are redoing it again today with the Nokia out of the picture :biggrin:

 

[Amol S.]

I'm quite underwhelmed with the Icon. I still have my 928 (have it on a GoPhone line, no data, just .10/min calling) and use it just as much. The Icon's camera falls short indoors, with or without the flash, and I use the camera a lot - kids, basically. Outdoors, the Icon is great but yeah, the battery life is sketchy, you'd think they could've squeezed in a microSD slot, and at least on mine the speaker is way too quiet. :/

Ha, PhoneArena did a camera shootout and the 930 won yesterday. So they are redoing it again today with the Nokia out of the picture :biggrin:

_____That is quite interesting to hear. But I know, and heard about the fact that the phone does not work that well indoors. But, that is if the object indoors you are taking a picture of does not reflect light. If it can reflect a specific amount of light, the picture of indoors can equall the outdoor quality of the outcome image. Also, I rarely, to never use the flash indoors, the image indoors looks even worse with a flash.
_____If you talk about the video that it takes indoors, then for some odd reason that is not the case, the outdoor video quality is equivalent to the indoor video quality. So technically there is no problem with the videos indoor on the Nokia Lumia Icon.
_____Now this paragraph does not relate to your quote, it is just a paragraph I am adding in to state another reason why the Nokia Lumia Icon Windows Phone is better than the Samsung Galaxy phones that run on Android. The Nokia Lumia Icon actually has a better internal service provider and Wi-Fi antenna, than the Samsung Galaxy Phones.

 

[Amol S.]

My Icon's battery life has been abysmal lately. It was never as good as any other Lumia - and the 1520 has excellent battery - but I've only been getting 4 hours of battery life under heavy usage. I don't know if it's solely Denim or a different update, and I've tried disabling a bunch of things and using the "Battery" app to track usage.

I'm switching over to T-Mobile anyway because Verizon is killing me with their data plan, so the Icon is going bye bye in trade-in. Great phone, but never as good as the 1520 except for the smaller design (much less thumb strain and less slippery).

I'll probably get a good value Android phone like the Zenfone 2 and keep my Lumia 521 around until I can get the 640 XL.

The Android HTC One M8 was also a better phone than the Icon, overall, even if the Icon's camera was better (the two phones have complementary camera strengths and weaknesses, actually). Not sure about WP version of that phone, but I assume it would be, too.

Agree the battery is a drawback!

 

[Amol S.]

_____I read somewhere that Microsoft and Nokia are currently coding a Windows 10 update for the Nokia Lumia Icon. If Windows 10 Phone comes to the Nokia Lumia Icon, the Icon may be able to out run the Samsung Galaxy S6, I read in a business analysis article.
_____I also read that Google is losing its supporters and customers.

 

[Chris_Mackenzy]

No matter what stats or graphs depict, its actually one's aesthetics and personal liking whatever attracts him or her.

 

[Amol S.]

No matter what stats or graphs depict, its actually one's aesthetics and personal liking whatever attracts him or her.

And that is what makes other people like a phone.

 

[Amol S.]

The Nokia Lumia Icon replaced the Nokia 1020, that is not being sold anymore. Thus, the Nokia Lumia Icon, is the phone on the market with the most powerful camera. 20MP. I have one and it works great. It can take pictures in .dng image format too. I also see that it has .SVG image view support too. Not only that but, the phone will be getting the Windows Phone 10 update too.