Non-lethal weaponry

[janas19]

If you had to execute a black ops task, and there was a reasonable risk of confrontation but leaving bodies behind was absolutely intolerable, what non-lethal weapon would be your number one choice for temporarily disabling hostiles?

I'm thinking rubber bullets would be the best choice, because I've heard that tasers can actually kill people. But then again, a taser would be more stealthy. I don't know if they have rubber bullets for sidearms.

 

[pontifex]

the dart guns they use on Chuck

wtf is a rubber bullet going to do other than sting?

 

[janas19]

the dart guns they use on Chuck

wtf is a rubber bullet going to do other than sting?

Are you kidding? I don't know much about the specifics, but at a high enough velocity it could stun you, knock your breath out maybe, drop you to the ground.

I guess that's why I asked the question, wondering if rubber bullets are effective or not.

 

[JulesMaximus]

AR-15

Fuck not leaving bodies behind.

Rubber bullets can be lethal by the way.

 

[janas19]

AR-15

Fuck not leaving bodies behind.

Rubber bullets can be lethal by the way.

That's the whole point you asshat. If you're running black ops in a foreign nation with high-level targets, and the press gets word of a diplpmat killing the publicity could ruin the whole operation, blow peoples covers, basically make everything go south.

If it was a snatch-and-grab type operation, I'm thinking rock salt slugs in a 12 gauge shotgun would be good. But if you had to do some espionage you wouldn't want to be carrying a shotgun around, so it has to be a sidearm.

 

[pontifex]

don't get caught


stupid question is stupid

if you're doing a black ops mission where you are in a location where you shouldn't be, they "bad guys" aren't going to be trying to take you down non-lethally.

 

[Arkitech]

so um, what are you planning on doing Janas


mailman throw your Soldier of Fortune magazine in the bushes again?

 

[Lifted]

 

[janas19]

so um, what are you planning on doing Janas


mailman throw your Soldier of Fortune magazine in the bushes again?

Ha ha no I just like to think about things

 

[T_Yamamoto]

:thumbsup:

 

[janas19]

don't get caught


stupid question is stupid

if you're doing a black ops mission where you are in a location where you shouldn't be, they "bad guys" aren't going to be trying to take you down non-lethally.

Ideally you wouldn't be spotted, but I'm just saying.

 

[janas19]

Hmm that's a good option, Lifted. +1

 

[Nintendesert]

If you had to execute a black ops task, and there was a reasonable risk of confrontation but leaving bodies behind was absolutely intolerable, what non-lethal weapon would be your number one choice for temporarily disabling hostiles?

I'm thinking rubber bullets would be the best choice, because I've heard that tasers can actually kill people. But then again, a taser would be more stealthy. I don't know if they have rubber bullets for sidearms.

Dude, rubber bullets kill people. There's no such thing as non-lethal weapons. Only less lethal than something else weapons.

 

[alienb]

1911 with sub rounds and a can...fuck bodies.

 

[IronWing]

Country music played loud should do the trick. If it fails, fall back to playing a recording a Noam Chomsky - Ron Paul debate. If that fails, your opponents are already dead.

 

[LiuKangBakinPie]

If you had to execute a black ops task, and there was a reasonable risk of confrontation but leaving bodies behind was absolutely intolerable, what non-lethal weapon would be your number one choice for temporarily disabling hostiles?

I'm thinking rubber bullets would be the best choice, because I've heard that tasers can actually kill people. But then again, a taser would be more stealthy. I don't know if they have rubber bullets for sidearms.

We use to use 30mm stopper rounds. You had to fire it in the ground first. It was rubber and once it hit the ground it almost stretched out the size of a batton. But then some cops aimed it straight at people and it killed them.

When I was at my SWAT training course right after the the basic training they showed us how the belguims do it. They are the best with crowd controll. What they do is they cut all the water in a area then a sniper hit certain individuals marked as the troublemakers with a pepper pellet in the face. Now what happens is you immediately look for water and the only water is a big water tank behind the police line. So rather than going in the protesters go to the police one by one looking for water where they get arrested

 

[LiuKangBakinPie]

Dude, rubber bullets kill people. There's no such thing as non-lethal weapons. Only less lethal than something else weapons.

Not the 12 gauge ones. It cant even dent a piece of cardboard

 

[janas19]

Not the 12 gauge ones. It cant even dent a piece of cardboard

What's the difference between a stopper round and a rubber bullet? Are they both rubber?

 

[LiuKangBakinPie]

What's the difference between a stopper round and a rubber bullet? Are they both rubber?

no. the stopper is a 30mm shot from a grenade launcher. The 12 gauge is a rubber ball about the size of a paint ball. When its fired you can literally see it travel through the air on its way to the target. no way you can kill anyone with it, look at this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtNFW6uFwuo

 

[LikeLinus]

I'm a bit surprised no one has said "phasers on stun". ATOT is slipping.

 

[janas19]

no. the stopper is a 30mm shot from a grenade launcher. The 12 gauge is a rubber ball about the size of a paint ball. When its fired you can literally see it travel through the air on its way to the target. no way you can kill anyone with it, look at this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtNFW6uFwuo

Yeah. Seems like something in between those two options would be the best

 

[Nebor]

Regular guns, but use M4s chambered in 5.45x39 or some other cartridge not affiliated with US forces. That's how actual "black ops" are run. You don't carry non-lethal weaponry when your enemies are certainly carrying lethal weaponry. What's worse, the media realizing that someone killed someone important, along with a bunch of their guards, or a couple dead US commandos in a foreign country?

 

[mmntech]

Gas. Good for creating a distraction. Tear gas especially. Sleeping gas could work but it's a bit iffy. Launch the canister, let mayhem ensue, waltz in with your gas mask on, steal priceless treasure, ,,, profit?

 

[PottedMeat]

round of roofiecoladas

 

[Red Squirrel]

Taser, or tranquilizers as suggested.

Or just hire ninjas to put the people into a vehicle and transport them alive. Because they're ninjas, they'll never actually be seen during this process. The people will just suddenly find themselves in the back of a big van and have no clue what just happened.