Non-Violent, Non-Criminal Anti-Trump Protest

[Jaskalas]

Nonviolent? They're doing it right, why they're doing it I don't know. Where were they on November 8th?

If they want to not have to keep marching every day for the next 8 years then I suggest they learn a lesson from 2016.
And they stop marching solely against a person, and instead direct their energy towards something positive for the voters.
Rally for a hope and change that'd actually help the people who suffered so much lately that they desperately voted for Trump.
Bring forth leaders to enact sweeping, progressive, economic change. Become the grass roots to sweep out the old crusty DNC.

Like the election, the target of their attention is misguided.

 

[Starbuck1975]

A big indicator of Trump fascism is his treatment of the media. I have never seen a president of the United States with less respect for the free press than Trump. That should scare you as much as it scares me.

If he moves the press briefing room to a larger room and turns briefings into a propaganda mill as is done in Russia for Putin, where people have signs identifying what news organization there are with, what questions they will ask and half the hall is filled with Trump supporters who applaud him, will you support it? This is now how a free country the reveres the free press is run.

Respect goes both ways. I blame the media and our reality show obsessed culture for creating Trump. Well their Frankenstein monster is now on the loose, but I trust that our democracy will shackle him, as was evident yesterday.

You are worried about Putin and fascism, while I am lamenting the negative cultural impact of the Kardashians and Real Housewives.

 

[bshole]

Respect goes both ways. I blame the media and our reality show obsessed culture for creating Trump. Well their Frankenstein monster is now on the loose, but I trust that our democracy will shackle him, as was evident yesterday.

You are worried about Putin and fascism, while I am lamenting the negative cultural impact of the Kardashians and Real Housewives.

Fascism can take away my freedom and get me killed, reality TV can't.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Fascism can take away my freedom and get me killed, reality TV can't.

Well stated.

We have a reality TV star, not a fascist, leading the nation, so you should be just fine.

 

[feralkid]

Well stated.

We have a reality TV star, not a fascist, leading the nation, so you should be just fine.

He's both, shithead.

 

[greatnoob]

Well stated.

We have a reality TV star, not a fascist, leading the nation, so you should be just fine.

His followers are easily duped. Trump and his administration = incredibly stupid. This moron could start WW3 or the final collapse to the US' economy and his followers would woo him on.

 

[Commodus]

Nonviolent? They're doing it right, why they're doing it I don't know. Where were they on November 8th?

Voting for Clinton. Or, in some cases, realizing that they should have voted for Clinton. Remember, many on the left presumed that reason, intelligence and basic human compassion would prevail, and were genuinely shocked when Trump won by the barest of margins. And yes, there were some who didn't vote who didn't realize what was at stake. I won't begrudge them the decision to protest even if they didn't vote -- you don't have to wait until the next election to be politically active.

If they want to not have to keep marching every day for the next 8 years then I suggest they learn a lesson from 2016.
And they stop marching solely against a person, and instead direct their energy towards something positive for the voters.
Rally for a hope and change that'd actually help the people who suffered so much lately that they desperately voted for Trump.
Bring forth leaders to enact sweeping, progressive, economic change. Become the grass roots to sweep out the old crusty DNC.

Like the election, the target of their attention is misguided.

If you think this is just about Trump, you haven't been paying attention. It's the policies his administration is threatening to implement. It's Pence and his virulently anti-choice, homophobic agenda. And how is protecting the rights and freedoms of women not "positive for the voters?" Economic hardship is a problem, but so is losing control over what's happening inside your own body. So is knowing that your leaders will do nothing to advance gender equality for at least another four years. And I don't think that the Women's March is necessarily happening in place of more general protests, it's in addition to the virtually inevitable general protests.

The DNC does need real, progressive change. But we must also make clear that Trump must be impeached and removed from office; we shouldn't just focus on the Democrats when Trump's administration is doing real damage right now.

 

[Starbuck1975]

His followers are easily duped. Trump and his administration = incredibly stupid. This moron could start WW3 or the final collapse to the US' economy and his followers would woo him on.

Dismissing his followers is why Clinton lost the election. These are people who genuinely feel abandoned by their government. They are not stupid. Sanders exposed her flank and Trump exploited it, barely.

 

[greatnoob]

Dismissing his followers is why Clinton lost the election. These are people who genuinely feel abandoned by their government. They are not stupid. Sanders exposed her flank and Trump exploited it, barely.

The people who voted in an incompetent orange retard aren't stupid you say?

It takes a very, very gullible person to believe redundant jobs can somehow make a comeback and make economic sense. Or..

It's possible to build a wall without spending taxpayers' money that will somehow stop all immigration woes. Or...

Tax cuts without reduction in spending is going to reduce the deficit and grow GDP, despite the US being in a steady state and on the bleeding edge of technology where economic growth is supposed to be slow. Or... you get the idea.

 

[Starbuck1975]

The people who voted in an incompetent orange retard aren't stupid you say?

It takes a very, very gullible person to believe redundant jobs can somehow make a comeback and make economic sense. Or..

It's possible to build a wall without spending taxpayers' money that will somehow stop all immigration woes. Or...

Tax cuts without reduction in spending is going to reduce the deficit and grow GDP, despite the US being in a steady state and on the bleeding edge of technology where economic growth is supposed to be slow. Or... you get the idea.

I do get the point and I don't disagree with you. I also get the point that the overarching themes of those policy positions would resonate with people frustrated by the insanity of the status quo as it related to outsourcing, immigration and taxes

 

[MongGrel]

Yeah I only have an old generally unused twatter account. I find twitter kind of irritating. The only tweets I ever made were under protest. Previous job liked us to retweet marketing crap.

I think I have tweeted one time in my life, and it was to tell Kyle Bennet on [H] to fsck off.

*shrug*

 

[Jaskalas]

The DNC does need real, progressive change. But we must also make clear that Trump must be impeached and removed from office; we shouldn't just focus on the Democrats when Trump's administration is doing real damage right now.

For what crime, being our political opponent?

 

[Murloc]

I don't think generic protests after an election are useful.

They should save themselves for protesting (at least those who put actual money in this, spontanoues protests are free) when he enacts some bs policy, this will promote alternative ideas and make new leadership show itself in view of the next elections.

Protesting against an unpredictable person who hasn't yet done much doesn't help change the future and in 4 years nobody will be remembering this.

 

[Commodus]

For what crime, being our political opponent?

Well, he's likely already violating the emolument clause and has all kinds of conflicts of interest going on. Then there's the investigation into whether or not he and his campaign had Russian financial ties, the very good chance that he's going to lie in a way where he's legally responsible... at this point, the main question is: what will be the straw that breaks the camel's back? There is a chance that the Republicans will simply look the other way and refuse to back an impeachment, but they may change their tune if they see Trump dragging down the entire party's popularity.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Well, he's likely already violating the emolument clause and has all kinds of conflicts of interest going on. Then there's the investigation into whether or not he and his campaign had Russian financial ties, the very good chance that he's going to lie in a way where he's legally responsible... at this point, the main question is: what will be the straw that breaks the camel's back? There is a chance that the Republicans will simply look the other way and refuse to back an impeachment, but they may change their tune if they see Trump dragging down the entire party's popularity.

This is something that the courts are going to have to weigh in. It was widely believed that Trump could not have family involved in government and that was ruled not to be the case. The other issues will likely have to be resolved and then it falls to Trump to comply or not. If not then he may run afoul of Constitutional law and be subject to impeachment and removal.

At that point the Reps will have to choose. I suspect the traditional republicans would be glad to see him go as they never had love for Trump to begin with.

 

[Jhhnn]

Dismissing his followers is why Clinton lost the election. These are people who genuinely feel abandoned by their government. They are not stupid. Sanders exposed her flank and Trump exploited it, barely.

Gawd. Hillary lost the election because she was constantly vilified & held to an astounding double standard wrt the Donald. Because the concern trolling about Bernie was quite effective. Because when Donald called out to Vlad for more ammo he got it. Because Trump, the Repubs & the Russians ran a campaign of lies & distortions unmatched in modern history. Because of an undemocratic quirk of the electoral college system.

It was a perfect storm. She'd likely have beaten anybody else that the Repubs could have run against her.

 

[Jhhnn]

This is something that the courts are going to have to weigh in. It was widely believed that Trump could not have family involved in government and that was ruled not to be the case. The other issues will likely have to be resolved and then it falls to Trump to comply or not. If not then he may run afoul of Constitutional law and be subject to impeachment and removal.

At that point the Reps will have to choose. I suspect the traditional republicans would be glad to see him go as they never had love for Trump to begin with.

Trump would have to eat a live baby onstage to be impeached. Even if he was, that would just put Pence & the Repubs more firmly in control.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Gawd. Hillary lost the election because she was constantly vilified & held to an astounding double standard wrt the Donald. Because the concern trolling about Bernie was quite effective. Because when Donald called out to Vlad for more ammo he got it. Because Trump, the Repubs & the Russians ran a campaign of lies & distortions unmatched in modern history. Because of an undemocratic quirk of the electoral college system.

It was a perfect storm. She'd likely have beaten anybody else that the Repubs could have run against her.

You accused me of revisionist history in another thread. I see you have no trouble concocting your own around the epic fumble by the Clinton campaign. The corpse isn't even cold yet.

Russians and undemocratic "quirks" and control trolling, oh my.

 

[glenn1]

Well I was told we now live in a fascist dictatorship. I was just pointing out that is clearly not the case given the events of yesterday.

I will make sure to stay clear of your knee next time I make a point.

Trump is evidently such a good fascist that millions of peaceful protesters can be mowed down with tanks and the resistance movement crushed yet he controls the media so much that we'll never know. Heck I wouldn't be surprised if he wasn't such a l33t fascist that all the millions of people protesting against him are really just paid shills from his campaign designed to lure us into complacency. We are supposed to think that leftists are strongly opposing Trump by the millions while the actual truth is he already killed every leftist in America since taking office. Just look at how they faked the Moon landings for all the techniques Trump needed to pull this off.

 

[Jaskalas]

Trump would have to eat a live baby onstage to be impeached. Even if he was, that would just put Pence & the Repubs more firmly in control.

I suppose that argument is to place stable, rational actors in charge.

 

[Murloc]

I suppose that argument is to place stable, rational actors in charge.

but they are stable and firm in their regressive ideals as opposed to the hope of "new york values" resurfacing in trump's unstable heart before taking a decision.

 

[agent00f]

Our laws don't protect the rights of Canadians to engage in our political processes and permits are easily revoked. Try again. Fascism not found.

If anyone's still confused if Trumpism a la modern american conservative might be fascist, please refer to http://www.nybooks.com/articles/1995/06/22/ur-fascism/. This was someone who grew up under Mussolini, and obviously predates Trump. There are 14 points laid out; see how many apply or don't.

 

[Starbuck1975]

If anyone's still confused if Trumpism a la modern american conservative might be fascist, please refer to http://www.nybooks.com/articles/1995/06/22/ur-fascism/. This was someone who grew up under Mussolini, and obviously predates Trump. There are 14 points laid out; see how many apply or don't.

It is a very good article. However, the author also states:

"Fascism became an all-purpose term because one can eliminate from a fascist regime one or more features, and it will still be recognizable as fascist."

"But in spite of this fuzziness, I think it is possible to outline a list of features that are typical of what I would like to call Ur-Fascism, or Eternal Fascism. These features cannot be organized into a system; many of them contradict each other, and are also typical of other kinds of despotism or fanaticism."

Convenient, as you could then make the case that any appeal to conservatism is fascist.

Since you are making the accusation, use the 14 points to make your case.

I think because you see the symptoms of a recurring cough and shoulder pain, you are diagnosing as lung cancer was is probably just a bad cold.

 

[agent00f]

It is a very good article. However, the author also states:

"Fascism became an all-purpose term because one can eliminate from a fascist regime one or more features, and it will still be recognizable as fascist."

"But in spite of this fuzziness, I think it is possible to outline a list of features that are typical of what I would like to call Ur-Fascism, or Eternal Fascism. These features cannot be organized into a system; many of them contradict each other, and are also typical of other kinds of despotism or fanaticism."

Convenient, as you could then make the case that any appeal to conservatism is fascist.

Since you are making the accusation, use the 14 points to make your case.

I think because you see the symptoms of a recurring cough and shoulder pain, you are diagnosing as lung cancer was is probably just a bad cold.

Let's examine the claims:

1. "cult of tradition" -- make murica great again
2. "rejection of modernism" -- them progressive leftards
3. " Thinking is a form of emasculation. Therefore culture is suspect insofar as it is identified with critical attitudes. Distrust of the intellectual world has always been a symptom of Ur-Fascism."
4. "In modern culture the scientific community praises disagreement as a way to improve knowledge. For Ur-Fascism, disagreement is treason."
5. "fear of difference"
6. " one of the most typical features of the historical fascism was the appeal to a frustrated middle class, a class suffering from an economic crisis or feelings of political humiliation, and frightened by the pressure of lower social groups. "
7. "To people who feel deprived of a clear social identity, Ur-Fascism says that their only privilege is the most common one, to be born in the same country. ..The followers must feel besieged. The easiest way to solve the plot is the appeal to xenophobia"
8. " The followers must feel humiliated by the ostentatious wealth and force of their enemies"
9. " life is permanent warfare."
10. " contempt for the weak"
11. " In every mythology the hero is an exceptional being, but in Ur-Fascist ideology, heroism is the norm."
12. "the Ur-Fascist transfers his will to power to sexual matters. This is the origin of machismo"
13. "There is in our future a TV or Internet populism, in which the emotional response of a selected group of citizens can be presented and accepted as the Voice of the People."
14. " All the Nazi or Fascist schoolbooks made use of an impoverished vocabulary, and an elementary syntax, in order to limit the instruments for complex and critical reasoning. "

Rather trivial to argue that american conservatism per Trump is just about the immaculate conception of fascism. Of course it's easy to see why fascists and friends would vehemently disagree no matter the facts & reality.

 

[Perknose]

Convenient, as you could then make the case that [most] any appeal to conservatism fiat authoritarianism is fascist.

FTFY