NON_POLITICAL China Coronavirus THREAD

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eRacer

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Jun 14, 2004
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Shit.

Sacramento no longer trying to actually contain the virus, now focusing on triage techniques.
Quarantines should be accelerated, not slowed down or ended.

Just wait until the public finds out the next round of triage includes denying the old and critically ill/injured a bed in the ICU to make room for the younger and more likely to survive patients, and hospitals will deny access to just about anyone and everyone with non-life threatening injuries and illnesses because all of the beds will be taken up by COVID-19 patients.
 

Muse

Lifer
Jul 11, 2001
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Yes, it is. There's a reason why people are being quarantined for 14 days AFTER recovery.
Oh! OK, you should quarantine yourself for 14 days AFTER you seem 100% recovered? I'm OK with doing that, but want to be sure that's protocol. I have NOT been seeing/hearing that other than your post quoted here.
 

[DHT]Osiris

Lifer
Dec 15, 2015
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Oh! OK, you should quarantine yourself for 14 days AFTER you seem 100% recovered? I'm OK with doing that, but want to be sure that's protocol. I have NOT been seeing/hearing that other than your post quoted here.
If someone can be an infectious carrier upwards of ~13 days post recovery, which at least some data seems to suggest, then yes a quarantine of 14 days would be necessary to halt further spread. If you don't care that much about spreading, it's not necessary.
 

BudAshes

Lifer
Jul 20, 2003
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Quarantines should be accelerated, not slowed down or ended.

Just wait until the public finds out the next round of triage includes denying the old and critically ill/injured a bed in the ICU to make room for the younger and more likely to survive patients, and hospitals will deny access to just about anyone and everyone with non-life threatening injuries and illnesses because all of the beds will be taken up by COVID-19 patients.

Going to the hospital is one of the best ways to get yourself killed. Stay out unless you are actually dying. A lot of people that go in end up getting infected with some bonus stuff that ends up making it worse.
 

Muse

Lifer
Jul 11, 2001
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i have been taking zinc every night for the past 6 years.. ZMA. I also take zinc everytime i feel like a cold is coming on, every 2 hours they taste like grape candies so they are also enjoyable to take. just reupped my current stock with hundreds of them. The price of rice has shot up 6$ more for 50 pounds. I tried to sell n95 masks on ebay for a affordable price and for some reason they took down my listing saying something about item not allowed because of price gouging (which i wasnt even doing) but i see others with their n95 listings 120$ for 20 ;( wonder what happens if i list them here
Dang. I've never taken zinc, period. Just looked the other day and see my mature adult multi-vitamin (from Costco) contains 11mg zinc, but wasn't aware of that before ~3 days ago.
 

randay

Lifer
May 30, 2006
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Shit.

Sacramento no longer trying to actually contain the virus, now focusing on triage techniques.
what the shit, the article says they only have about 10 cases. how can they be overwhelmed already? who is in charge there they are screwin up!
 
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Muse

Lifer
Jul 11, 2001
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If someone can be an infectious carrier upwards of ~13 days post recovery, which at least some data seems to suggest, then yes a quarantine of 14 days would be necessary to halt further spread. If you don't care that much about spreading, it's not necessary.
I figure I'm likely to get it. I'll be more careful than most people, but this:

1. I live in a fairly high density area
2. I work out at a 24hourfitness gym 3x/week. I could stop that and maybe will if/when things get pretty hairy around here (i.e. my HMO is stressed to treat current patients ... or getting there!)
3. I volunteer as DJ at college radio station. I might take hiatus from that if things get hairy.

I am 76! But I'm likely in top 10% or better health than others my age. I probably won't have difficulties surviving this, but there's a chance of that or sure.

If I do get it (or figure I did), I'll sequester for 14+ days after I feel 100% (whatever that is).
 

[DHT]Osiris

Lifer
Dec 15, 2015
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I figure I'm likely to get it. I'll be more careful than most people, but this:

1. I live in a fairly high density area
2. I work out 3x/week. I could stop that and maybe will if/when things get pretty hairy around here (i.e. my HMO is stressed to treat current patients ... or getting there!)
3. I volunteer as DJ at college radio station. I might take hiatus from that if things get hairy. I am 76! But I'm likely in top 10% or better health than others my age.

If I do get it (or figure I did), I'll sequester for 14+ days after I feel 100% (whatever that is).
Just stay safe. You're in the dangerous range for those that catch it.
 

DrMrLordX

Lifer
Apr 27, 2000
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I'm not getting a good vibe from the crow ... crowing on my fence

Signs and portents!

Quarantines should be accelerated, not slowed down or ended.

I . . . get the impression that the PRC used triage effectively outside of Hubei province. Less quarantines? Or at least that's what that WHO interviewee made it sound like. Not sure if I can take anything the WHO says about China as objective observation anymore.

Just wait until the public finds out the next round of triage includes denying the old and critically ill/injured a bed in the ICU to make room for the younger and more likely to survive patients, and hospitals will deny access to just about anyone and everyone with non-life threatening injuries and illnesses because all of the beds will be taken up by COVID-19 patients.

While I agree that many medical facilities will be overwhelmed with Covid-19 patients, I expect the results of triage to be the opposite of what you laid out here: the worst cases will get beds, while the young will be given some cold/flu medicine and sent home.
 

CZroe

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Jun 24, 2001
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I don't entirely buy that. It's not solely your immune response that makes you sick - otherwise you'd be better off with no immune system at all! Eventually the disease will make you sick directly, regardless of your immune system response caused symptoms. If your immune system doesn't respond you will get really sick really quickly.
Of course, but fever and inflammation are undeniably immune responses. Without those most would never know they had the flu. .ight not even feel a tickle, since that's the inflammation.

The virus goes on infecting compatible cells and killing them until the antibodies get made to drive them out, only without an severe-enough immune response to know you are sick.

One reason so many deadly viruses come from bats (Ebola, SARS, SARS2/COVID-19, etc) is because they have extreme metabolism for a mammal where they can go from hibernation to extremely energetic flight that includes the ability to hover. The resulting body temperature swings are more than a human fever could ever hope to match and, thus, viruses that can survive those extremes will be relatively unaffected by ours.

Technically, that means our immune systems are over-reacting with a technique that isn't very effective. People with no fever are recovering the same way as people with fever.

I don't know why people think that's so noteworthy. The same applies to influenza too.

Without symptoms, they aren't oozing saliva and mucous on everything. If an asymptomatic carrier is careful they can minimize the risk. Obviously kissing / swapping spit with an asymptomatic carrier would do it.

The problem is they rarely know they are carrying it to be careful.
 
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eRacer

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I work out at a 24hourfitness gym 3x/week. I could stop that and maybe will if/when things get pretty hairy around here (i.e. my HMO is stressed to treat current patients ... or getting there!)
I've gone to the gym for years, but quit last week due to the coronavirus pandemic. No cases known around here yet, and the chances today are probably close to 0% of catching it at the gym. But that won't be the case a month or two from now, and I expect most gyms will eventually be closed nationwide at some point this year.
 
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IronWing

No Lifer
Jul 20, 2001
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I could have looked up aole mole (sp?). I did, finally. Yeah, not chemistry. I do read your posts. Your style is yours, I am OK with letting you have it, it's certainly your own. I respect the fact that you're informed, educated, give a shit in spades. Can't say that for most people.
It was just a stupid pun.

Remember the Alamo!
 

eRacer

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I . . . get the impression that the PRC used triage effectively outside of Hubei province. Less quarantines? Or at least that's what that WHO interviewee made it sound like. Not sure if I can take anything the WHO says about China as objective observation anymore.
Hospital triage was barely even needed outside of Hubei due to: the huge decrease in person-to-person contact all across China, everyone wearing some sort of PPE outdoors, constant monitoring of citizens for symptoms, and well enforced travel bans. It came at a huge economic cost, but has prevented a massive number of deaths (so far).

While I agree that many medical facilities will be overwhelmed with Covid-19 patients, I expect the results of triage to be the opposite of what you laid out here: the worst cases will get beds, while the young will be given some cold/flu medicine and sent home.
The worst cases will get the beds until the beds are full. Then the worst cases will be lucky to get a simply oxygen mask/tubes before dying. Anyone who isn't in need of immediate hospitalization won't even get the chance for a real exam from a doctor, and would just risk getting sicker by visiting the hospital anyway.
 

killster1

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Honestly, I think they should close all schools in the US for a month. And only broadcast sports games and don't let people attend the events live in person.
of course then alot of people could not go to work due to the kids being at home right? im on the fence with having kids wear masks and gloves at school i think tomorrow they will start, maybe move them into the garage and install a shower out there so they dont infect me with their kid germs hahaha
 

ultimatebob

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Jul 1, 2001
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Dumb question... does everyone with Coronavirus have a fever over 100, or do just some people experience that?
 

eRacer

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Tom Bossert (former Homeland Security Advisor): 'We are 10 days away from the hospitals getting creamed,' warns former homeland security adviser

In an op-ed in The Washington Post published Monday, Bossert said that unless the U.S. closes schools, halts public gatherings and takes other steps to reduce community transmission, the country is headed for the sort of crisis Italy is now facing, with hospitals overwhelmed by elderly people in need of critical care.

“Simply put, as evidence of human-to-human transmission becomes clear in a community, officials must pull the trigger on aggressive interventions,” Bossert wrote. “Time matters. Two weeks of delay can mean the difference between success and failure. Public health experts learned this in 1918 when the Spanish flu killed 50 million to 100 million people around the globe. If we fail to take action, we will watch our health-care system be overwhelmed.”
 

Red Squirrel

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www.anyf.ca
I use two 40" 4k Samsung screens for my home office setup...they are only 30 htz refresh though but that isn't too bad for work stuff...if I wanted 60 htz, I would either need to use a single screen or drop down to 1080p which ain't gonna happen...
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3x 4k is the sweet spot for us due to all the apps we need open, though if I had to I could probably manage to make 2 work I just need to be more creative in how I tile my apps. I made 8 HD ones work before we got the 4ks. Actually they were not even HD they were some oddball resolutions. Only saw about 1-2 alarms per application though so there was lot of scrolling involved.
 

CZroe

Lifer
Jun 24, 2001
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Trusting the zinc lozenge thing a bit more:

At least we know it wasn't a fake leak from Russians or anything. Doesn't confirm the effectiveness of zinc lozenges, of course, but I do trust that a coronavirus expert might know a few tricks.
 

CZroe

Lifer
Jun 24, 2001
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I got a little tingle in my chest!

Is this the one?
Got a stinging sensation in my sinuses.

Tried one of the "Sambucol Black Elderberry original formula throat lozenges + Zinc" from GNC only to realize that they weren't lozenges as I understand them. They are gummies despite the box containing them inside medicine-like foil blisters. Also realized they were only 3mg zinc per lozenge, which doesn't seem useful if we're aiming for "several a day" to total something like 85+mg zinc. Gummies dissolve too fast anyway.

Going to check The Vitamin Shoppe next since Kroger was out yesterday.
 
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