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Lifer
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Honestly no matter how hard countries are trying, this is overall incredibly fucking dumb.

Was just watching the news and seeing places like Poland where they are stopping things like buses and testing everyone.... Except it isn't actually testing everyone for the virus - it looks like just testing for SYMPTOMS with things like head thermometers to see if they show signs and THEN potentially testing them.

We already established that it takes a while to show signs - and we also already established that people can be carriers.

It just seems dumb and pointless.


Is it though? Is it the case that asymptomatic carriers are as likely to spread the virus as those who are sneezing and coughing already? That doesn't seem likely, to me. If you have limited capacity to do full tests, then testing for symptoms like a fever is better than nothing.

I don't know - the whole topic seems quite complicated and I find it hard to trust anyone, experts or not, about it.

One thing I wonder about, is whether there's an element of circularity about medical reasoning.

The authorities won't test you for coronavirus unless you meet certain risk criteria - because it's not that common so if you haven't travelled to a high-risk area like Italy or been in contact with a known sufferer it's more likely you just have flu or a cold and hence it's a waste of time and resources to test you for it. But if they don't test people, they aren't going to know how common it actually is. It seems there's a danger of circular reasoning about this.

Edit - I mean, is that not pretty much what happened? The criteria for testing was so stringent they didn't test many people, and hence the infection spread unnoticed, as they continued to believe it was 'rare' and so didn't test for it, and so failed to notice it wasn't as rare as they thought it was.

That has occurred to me in the past in other contexts - as a medic, when diagnosing someone with something you have to take into account how common that something is. That's reasonable because if it's rare that is going to affect how likely it is that a possible case actually has it. But if doctors are therefore reluctant to diagnose people as having a certain condition, it's going to continue to be seen as 'rare' because nobody gets diagnosed with it. Isn't that a bit circular?
 
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I guess it would look like that to you, since its about that middle ground, nuance, the grey, non black or white perception filter . They are trying to flatten the curve, the growth rate... not the total number of infected but the peak number of infected... so the health care pros can keep up. We have been over this a 10 times already.

Yes, but if you're worried about travel to/from infected areas not massively infecting other areas - then overall quarantine is the only option.

It doesn't matter if you only let in 5 instead of 25 - the result will still be the same - massive infection.
 

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Lifer
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Yes, but if you're worried about travel to/from infected areas not massively infecting other areas - then overall quarantine is the only option.

It doesn't matter if you only let in 5 instead of 25 - the result will still be the same - massive infection.
Our local uni is giving an extra week for spring break. WTH is a week going to do?

Meanwhile, in Dayton, students protesting being moved to online classes.
 

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Lifer
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Yes, but if you're worried about travel to/from infected areas not massively infecting other areas - then overall quarantine is the only option.

It doesn't matter if you only let in 5 instead of 25 - the result will still be the same - massive infection.

It does matter, though. The fewer infections you start with, the greater the chance of controlling it, and the fewer cases you will have after N days of exponential growth.

Edit - this is why I'm annoyed that they didn't restrict people coming-and-going to Italy. All those posh people going on ski-ing holidays accelerated the growth of the infection here. If it had been asylum-seekers spreading the infection there would be a full-on hate campaign against them now, but people don't seem so keen to stigmatise the bourgeoisie!
 

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It does matter, though. The fewer infections you start with, the greater the chance of controlling it, and the fewer cases you will have after N days of exponential growth.

Edit - this is why I'm annoyed that they didn't restrict people coming-and-going to Italy. All those posh people going on ski-ing holidays accelerated the growth of the infection here. If it had been asylum-seekers spreading the infection there would be a full-on hate campaign against them now, but people don't seem so keen to stigmatise the bourgeoisie!
Yea that was a “blunder”
 

local

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One of my kids is coughing enough to infect half the state and I am about convinced she will cover her mouth over her own dead body so good luck to me.

And they closed the school this morning because they don't know. Someone snuggled a confirmed case yesterday or something.
 

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Texas and Louisiana in the house....of infections.

In other news, mainland china wants to take a lap of victory over its handling of the virus - https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/10/asia/china-coronavirus-propaganda-intl-hnk/index.html

Seriously? Its bumbling and screw up and hiding the facts (remember Dr. Li?) at the beginning were the reasons for this mess that is spreading like wild fire around the world. How about the rest of the world send all the bills to china, eh?
 
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Roger Wilco

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Trump just called for an emergency meeting in the WH. I suspect Trump and friends are shitting the bed. He is a prime target for this virus: old and unhealthy. Also, if staring directly at the sun during the eclipse is any indication, he will be reticent to wear PPE.
 

ShookKnight

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People have lost their minds at work.

The CEO doesn't want people to work from home, yet, he asked HR to go around and spray the office with disinfectant.

I need a new job.
 

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FYI:

My M.D. general practitioner cousin, when I brought up covid-19 ten days ago, said to be sure to not be vitamin D deficient. He said it's an important component in maintaining a healthy immune system. I believe that would mean enough exposure to sunlight and/or a supplement. I bought a bottle of D3 at Costco 9 days ago. I'm pretty sure it's 50mcg, little yellow transparent soft gels, 2000iu.
 
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Trump just called for an emergency meeting in the WH. I suspect Trump and friends are shitting the bed. He is a prime target for this virus: old and unhealthy. Also, if staring directly at the sun during the eclipse is any indication, he will be reticent to wear PPE.
Odd to mention Trump's personal health in regards to an emergency meeting that involves an actual national and worldwide emergency, especially considering he doesn't smoke or drink and the Democratic field is filled with elderly politicians as well.
 
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local

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People have lost their minds at work.

The CEO doesn't want people to work from home, yet, he asked HR to go around and spray the office with disinfectant.

I need a new job.

That is more than what is going on at my job. Management is scoffing at the whole thing as being blown out of proportion and will be all over in a few weeks. I cannot even bring it up without being put down as an alarmist.
 

eRacer

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My M.D. general practitioner cousin, when I brought up covid-19 ten days ago, said to be sure to not be vitamin D deficient. He said it's an important component in maintaining a healthy immune system.


Yep, it's a inexpensive chance at reducing the seriousness of COVID-19. Dr. John Campbell, known for his daily coronavirus updates, dedicated an entire video to Vitamin D.

 
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Lifer
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Washing with soap & water: I read that the soap dissolves the outer layer of the virus spores, effectively rendering them harmless to you. It's not just the washing away of these spores that's going on with that.

Myself, I don't use "regular" hand soap when I wash my hands 95% of the time. Do you remember those Borax dispensers they used to have in public bathrooms? I bought a fair sized box of that some years ago. I poured some in a small plastic container, burned a hole in its top. I dispense a little of that in one palm and go to work, then rinse. I like the grainy nature of that stuff, have always felt it is better at removing dirt. I presume (hope) it will likewise put the kibosh on those nasty SARS-C0V-2 spores.
 

repoman0

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That is more than what is going on at my job. Management is scoffing at the whole thing as being blown out of proportion and will be all over in a few weeks. I cannot even bring it up without being put down as an alarmist.

My company (national research lab) is already talking about shutting the whole facility of ~1500 people down. At the very least when I get back from work travel next week I get to stay home for a couple weeks. They’re also suggesting we stay and continue working here if we want. It’s Hawaii so there are worse places to be but I’ll still choose to go back to my outbreak-ridden state and hang out at home with my fiancee and dog (she’s already on wfh until further notice)
 

K1052

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That is more than what is going on at my job. Management is scoffing at the whole thing as being blown out of proportion and will be all over in a few weeks. I cannot even bring it up without being put down as an alarmist.

This seems to vary wildly by industry. Mine is quietly shitting its pants in a way I've never seen before.

My neighborhood is full of tech workers who all appear to be working from home now.
 

Roger Wilco

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Odd to mention Trump's personal health in regards to an emergency meeting that involves an actual national and worldwide emergency, especially considering he doesn't smoke or drink and the Democratic field is filled with elderly politicians as well.

Considering he is the President of the United States, it would be odd not to mention Trump's personal health in regards to an emergency meeting that involves an actual national and worldwide emergency.

Not smoking and drinking is hardly an indictment of overall health, especially when you eat horribly.

Of course the Democrats are going to get it. I'm sure Biden and Sanders are concerned as well. This isn't about partisanship. Everyone is going to get it, and Trump, the current POTUS, is well into the high-risk segment of the population.
 
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Lifer
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FYI:

My M.D. general practitioner cousin, when I brought up covid-19 ten days ago, said to be sure to not be vitamin D deficient. He said it's an important component in maintaining a healthy immune system. I believe that would mean enough exposure to sunlight and/or a supplement. I bought a bottle of D3 at Costco 9 days ago.

Yeah. I got a couple bottles of D-enriched orange juice last week and a load of D3 from Kroger a few days ago (buy one, get one free sale). I got the 125mcg variety but that may be a little excessive if you aren't cronicly deficient for some reason.

I strongly suspect that Vitamin D deficiency is a third reason for the seasonality of respiratory illnesses since one of the other causes, indoor warmth-seeking, exacerbates it. It doesn't help that winter sunlight just doesn't work as well for natural vitamin D even if you do expose yourself to it and the temperatures will probably keep you in long sleeves.
 
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BudAshes

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Trump just said good things are going to happen in relation to this virus! GOOD THINGS PEOPLE!!!
 

Svnla

Lifer
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FYI:

My M.D. general practitioner cousin, when I brought up covid-19 ten days ago, said to be sure to not be vitamin D deficient. He said it's an important component in maintaining a healthy immune system. I believe that would mean enough exposure to sunlight and/or a supplement. I bought a bottle of D3 at Costco 9 days ago.

I like to drink OJ and eat eggs a lot. Guess who will stop by Kroger and get a bottle or two of them OJ after work.
 
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