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I didn't say we were the worst or among the worst. I said we're 3rd rate. That's better than 7th rate. Or 8th rate. Obviously, being put on unemployment and losing your health care insurance makes you an unfortunate citizen of a country that doesn't much care to insure your health. Even fucking Medicare doesn't give shit if your teeth rot. These things make US 3rd class.

Yeah! All those people lining up to get in (legally and illegally) are just FUCKING DUMB! LOL. What idiots trying to get into this shithole.
 
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killster1

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I wasn't trying to say it's wrong to expect funnies out of Comedy Central or that it's wrong to laugh or enjoy comic relief. What I was saying is that it seemed to me that people dismissing Trevor Noah's recent videos (and seemingly without even checking them out) centering on covid-19 news topics because they feel he fucked up a Comedy Central show was short sighted and unfair. He's perceptive and witty and he does his homework at least on the pandemic, and that's way more I can say about 95++% of the people I see dealing with the pandemic in the media.
really we need more people with witty perceptive speculation? if we aleady dont like him why should we care about his covid 19 videos? does he tell us the cure? yawn .. yes muse is not well traveled we went over that already in the thread i wasnt born in USA but enjoy the salary and having the mountains and the beach close by with low prices on most everything. ive never used health care so i cant really comment on that other than its SO EXPENSIVE unless you have a HMO.

You don't travel much outside your bubble, do you? If you do, you wouldn't make that statement. I have been to numerous countries around the world. From rich to poor and in between.

How poor you say? How about day labors make about $2 USD per day if they are lucky. They work every much everyday...ie. if they don't work, they don't eat. No unemployment benefit, no health insurance, no thing but back breaking work from dawn to dust.

That's why I shake my head whenever I see individuals in the US whine and bitch about anything and everything under the sun and blame their situations on <insert so many pathetic excuses here>. Ungrateful bastards.

If the US is so bad, why there are million and million of people are waiting in line for years to get here the legal way and millions and millions of others are trying to sneak in/overstay ILLEGALLY?
OK OK so what country makes 2$ a day? i see salaries of 200-300$ a day but 2$ a day? somewhere in Africa? back breaking work dawn to dusk? or dust? i dont believe you. i have been to most everywhere africa included and didnt see anyone breaking there back specially for 2$ a DAY. (wondering if they have room and board included)
 

Svnla

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OK OK so what country makes 2$ a day? i see salaries of 200-300$ a day but 2$ a day? somewhere in Africa? back breaking work dawn to dusk? or dust? i dont believe you. i have been to most everywhere africa included and didnt see anyone breaking there back specially for 2$ a DAY. (wondering if they have room and board included)

Read my post above again. I was talking about day laborers with no skill such as porters, loaders in developing countries in Asia such as Cambodia, Vietnam, Laos, etc.

Keep in mind that there are no such things as 8 hours x 5 days = 40 hours/week x 4 = 1 month. Nope. You work from morning (dawn) until evening (dusk not dust) or more from Monday to Saturday...ie. looong hours.

Here is a link for a skilled textile worker in Cambodia recently as 2018 for $182 a month or $45.5 a week or $7.5 a day (6 days work week). Keep in mind they work long hours not just 8 hours per day as we are expect in developed countries - https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ge-falls-short-of-union-demands-idUSKCN1MF18B
 

killster1

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Read my post above again. I was talking about day laborers with no skill in developing countries in Asia such as Cambodia, Vietnam, Laos, etc.

Keep in mind that there are no such things as 8 hours x 5 days = 40 hours/week x 4 = 1 month. Nope. You work from morning until evening or more from Monday to Saturday...ie. looong hours.

Here is a link for a skilled textile worker in Cambodia recently as 2018 for $182 a month or $45.5 a week or $7.5 a day (6 days work week). Keep in mind they work long hours not just 8 hours per day as we are expect in developed countries - https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ge-falls-short-of-union-demands-idUSKCN1MF18B
sorry i live in cambodia 2 months a year i have many friends and family that work in those factories. they make 200-300$ the hours are 7am to 4-5pm sooo where do you get your facts? some website? or first hand? a long day is 12 hours, my day of work in USA is 16 hours. 12 hours is cake, and its not back breaking ever. try again. also you said 2$ a day 7.50? wow you almost 4x wrong.

also i cant read that link its blocked
 

Svnla

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sorry i live in cambodia 2 months a year i have many friends and family that work in those factories. they make 200-300$ the hours are 7am to 4pm sooo where do you get your facts? some website? or first hand? a long day is 12 hours, my day of work in USA is 16 hours. 12 hours is cake, and its not back breaking ever. try again. also you said 2$ a day 7.50? wow you almost 4x wrong.

also i cant read that link its blocked

My link is from Reuters, a well know news source. It works for me.

Did you see what I wrote? Unskilled day laborers = I was talking about my original post. Try to read it again. First hand experience because I saw how those laborers were paid from the owners about $2 USD after they completed to unload fishes, rice, from boats to the market stalls. I do not know if they get extra pay for meals and other expenses later or free room and board from the owner(s).
 

killster1

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My link is from Reuters, a well know news source. It works for me.

Did you see what I wrote? Unskilled day laborers = I was talking about my original post. Try to read it again. First hand experience because I saw how those laborers were paid from the owner about $2 USD after they unload fishes, rice, from boats to the market stalls. I do not know if they get extra pay for meals and other expenses later or free room and board from the owner(s).
OK actually you are kinda right. they dont make shit, and they start early ride in the back of trucks packed 50 people together it seems like, but there it is not back breaking work and its not dawn to dusk but it might seem like it. they do stuff like make one half of the shoe in one factor and other half in another factor far away so the people dont steal the shoes how big is the boat they are unloading by hand? all day morning to night unloading rice ?? why is there rice on a boat? its grown locally.
 
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Svnla

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OK actually you are kinda right. they dont make shit, and they start early ride in the back of trucks packed 50 people together it seems like, but there it is not back breaking work and its not dawn to dusk but it might seem like it. they do stuff like make one half of the shoe in one factor and other half in another factor far away so the people dont steal the shoes

I think because they were not locals but poor people from other areas and would work for anyone to earn money because no safety net over there and they did not have the skill and the proper paperwork to work, therefore, low wage. That's who I were talking about. Not about skilled factory workers in the links I posted above.

You don't think carry all those bags and packages on your back from morning until evening for days and days as back breaking? <eyes rolling>
 
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I think because they were not locals but poor people from other areas and would work for anyone to earn money because no safety net over there and they did not have the proper paperwork to work, therefore, low wage. That's who I were talking about. Not about skilled factory workers in the links I posted above.

You don't think carry all those bags and packages on your back from morning until evening for days and days as back breaking? <eyes rolling>
my point is they have carts and yes some heavy lifting here and there all day?? no. but its not the majority of people its pretty rare (seems like most the workers nap most of the day away and get up when a customer comes in between playing on the cellphone) . also a factory worker has ZERO SKILL so you are way off there.
 
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my point is they have carts and yes some heavy lifting here and there all day?? no. but its not the majority of people its pretty rare (seems like most the workers nap most of the day away and get up when a customer comes in between playing on the cellphone) . also a factory worker has ZERO SKILL so you are way off there.

lol trying to justify their labor as not intense as-if the wages for the given work is in anyway reasonable in any developed country.

Gave me a good chuckle.
 

Ichinisan

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I stopped by the local small market today to pick up milk and produce for the week and was denied entry. They've gone to a mandatory face mask policy, no mask no admittance.

Down the mall a bit the Dollar Tree was limiting access to 20 customers at a time. Small store, tight aisles, that seems to make a lot of sense. They've got their front end marked off in 8 foot intervals with tape on the floor so people won't bunch up at the registers. And they're strict too. A mother and daughter were turned away because only one person came out and only one could go in. Next in line got to go and the mother/daughter had to wait for two people to leave at the same time.
Maybe they'll let you order from the app and have someone bring it out to you. Walmart and Kroger let you do that. Probably Target too.
 

OccamsToothbrush

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Maybe they'll let you order from the app and have someone bring it out to you. Walmart and Kroger let you do that. Probably Target too.

No, small independent, they're not up on tech. They focus heavily on perishables and only stock the basics in grocery which is actually a good thing because they're not shopped out. I went there because they have some things that are harder to come by in the major chains.
 

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I got the mail today and the various grocery store sales fliers were in it. Why bother? Like people have much choice in brand right now
 
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I got the mail today and the various grocery store sales fliers were in it. Why bother? Like people have much choice in brand right now

I always figure those are contractual. I see plenty of advertisements that just don't make sense right now...
 

Svnla

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my point is they have carts and yes some heavy lifting here and there all day?? no. but its not the majority of people its pretty rare (seems like most the workers nap most of the day away and get up when a customer comes in between playing on the cellphone) . also a factory worker has ZERO SKILL so you are way off there.

I can't speak of every single location but from what I saw with my own eyes, there were almost no tool or equipment.

Boats with goods came in to the port.. laborers jumped on them and unloaded the packages from the belly of the boats via their backs or shoulders...walked from the boats down to the dock by the wooden bridge not wider than 1-2 ft...then some of the workers had carts or wheelies to help them but many did not. They worked and worked like ants...very busy all day during preparation for the lunar new year holiday and such.

Perfect example -


No skill as textile workers? Have you ever try to use them machines and make the production quota? Uh huh.

BTW, rice was transport from the rural farms to the markets in the big cities to sell. That's why a need for day laborers. Not just rice but different goods from the rural areas to the big cities to sell. A lot of flowers during the holidays.

Here is an old thread way back in 2009 with pictures from me. The host site is gone but you get the idea that I didn't blow smoke out of my butt. I was there, with boots on the ground. First hand experience.

 
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I got the mail today and the various grocery store sales fliers were in it. Why bother? Like people have much choice in brand right now
I make only 1 trip per week (even in non-pandemic times) to the same store, but still check the flier - I find it useful for figuring out what is the best value to buy that week. Though lately, I go in with an open mind - if I can't find X on my list, I go without or buy something different.

The main thing that was kind of weird to see was Sysco branded frozen vegetables - like the kind you might see going to a restuarant or a cafeteria - with few other brands available.
 

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I got the mail today and the various grocery store sales fliers were in it. Why bother? Like people have much choice in brand right now
It's such a stupid system. Stores pay the newspaper to layout, print, distribute those things. The post office delivers them (actually where I am the paper carrier throws them in my yard). I go out, pick them up, remove the rubber band, and throw them in the recycling bin unread. It would be more efficient if the stores paid some loggers to go throw some trees in the landfill.
 
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Red Squirrel

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It's such a stupid system. Stores pay the newspaper to layout, print, distribute those things. The post office delivers them (actually where I am the paper carrier throws them in my yard). I go out, pick them up, remove the rubber band, and throw them in the recycling bin unread. It would be more efficient if the stores paid some loggers to go throw some trees in the landfill.

Yeah it's such a huge waste. The ONLY thing it's useful for is if I want to paint something so I lay it out to paint stuff over it. I think that's really the only thing I've ever used flyers for. I SOMETIMES look through Canadian Tire or Home Depot flyers in case I see something I need that happens to be on sale, but either way it would be more efficient if they just made these things electronic.
 

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It's pretty simple:

1. Leadership requires clear communication & a single path forward, right or wrong.

2. This is because you can't hit a target you can't see. If success is not defined, then you cannot be successful because you have no targets to hit.

3. A clear plan enables people to get prepared, get to work, pull resources, roll things out, and reduce anxiety.

4. As long as things are a question mark, there's a huge risk for ineffectiveness, because nobody knows exactly what to do & people can't work together effectively to marshal resources properly.

5. You can't always call all of the shots perfectly, but people need something to rally together on. Look at Bush's response to 9/11 - they got us, we're gonna get them, so we went to war with Iraq. Same with Pearl Harbor & going to war with Japan. But you can also see how ineffective things like the Vietnam War were in the minds of Americans because of mushy reasons & mushy plans. Right or wrong, you need a clear path forward defined by leadership.

For reference, America has nearly as many people killed by COVID-19 as South Korea has infected in their entire country. Their current death count is 186 people, whereas ours is nearly 10,000. Vastly different approach styles:

Do you live in the United States? If you do, I will start working on raising money for your campaign tomorrow. You need to be representing us somewhere. If you want, you can start out in Congress or the Senate. You say more concise, wise things daily than the rest of us do combined. I'm not joking, although I don't have a lot of experience fundraising, so it may take it some time to get rolling. Oh, and no, you don't get to decline; tag, you're it!
 

Muse

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Yeah it's such a huge waste. The ONLY thing it's useful for is if I want to paint something so I lay it out to paint stuff over it. I think that's really the only thing I've ever used flyers for. I SOMETIMES look through Canadian Tire or Home Depot flyers in case I see something I need that happens to be on sale, but either way it would be more efficient if they just made these things electronic.
I stopped getting the paper thrown in front of my house about a year ago. If I am curious to see the supermarket flyer I can find it online. A bit of a pain to find it and navigate, but it's there.
 

Muse

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Do you live in the United States? If you do, I will start working on raising money for your campaign tomorrow. You need to be representing us somewhere. If you want, you can start out in Congress or the Senate. You say more concise, wise things daily than the rest of us do combined. I'm not joking, although I don't have a lot of experience fundraising, so it may take it some time to get rolling. Oh, and no, you don't get to decline; tag, you're it!
I believe Kaido lives in Connecticut.
For me, hating on stuff is emotionally, mentally, and physically draining. But I think it gives some people fuel for the fire through that bittersweet feeling of being vindictive. Outside of hoping to ride stock prices down or something, I don't understand why people waste their time hating on public figures like Musk.
I've never hated on Musk. He's obviously very admirable, talk about ambition! Tesla, SpaceX, his vision for high speed rail that's off the charts. The guy's one of the greatest entrepreneurs of all time. He's said/done some things that are worrisome and questionable especially in recent years. I don't pay that close attention, but yeah, I'm curious. But I am not gonna hate on him. Hey, nobody's perfect.
"I had a little bird whose name was enza
I open up the window and in-flu-enza"

Children's nursery rhyme during the 1918 Spanish flu pandemic. Nursery rhymes back then we're very dark. Maybe it was because there were so much death?
My parents were about 3 years old. They made it somehow.
 
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