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Mai72

Lifer
Sep 12, 2012
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Serious question.

If Bill Gates does come out with a vaccine for COVID-19, can the government make it mandatory that you must take it? TBh, that would be a very scary thing.
 

ultimatebob

Lifer
Jul 1, 2001
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Serious question.

If Bill Gates does come out with a vaccine for COVID-19, can the government make it mandatory that you must take it? TBh, that would be a very scary thing.

They could probably make it mandatory to send your kid back to school, yes. There are usually religious exemptions to things like that, though. I'm not an anti-vaxxer, but then I don't really want to be the first person to try a new vaccine that was rushed through clinical trials to market.
 

Mai72

Lifer
Sep 12, 2012
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They could probably make it mandatory to send your kid back to school, yes. There are usually religious exemptions to things like that, though. I'm not an anti-vaxxer, but then I don't really want to be the first person to try a new vaccine that was rushed through clinical trials to market.

Ah, good point. But, I wonder if you couldn't use religion as a way to escape the vaccine. We've all seen what happens to kids when their religious parents are anti-vaxxers. It usually doesn't end well. I'd think that with COVID-19 it could be mandatory no matter if you try to stand on your religious beliefs or not.
 

[DHT]Osiris

Lifer
Dec 15, 2015
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Ah, good point. But, I wonder if you couldn't use religion as a way to escape the vaccine. We've all seen what happens to kids when their religious parents are anti-vaxxers. It usually doesn't end well. I'd think that with COVID-19 it could be mandatory no matter if you try to stand on your religious beliefs or not.
Mandatory injections of rushed compounds isn't a good look either. Let it bake for 5-10y before mandating imo.
 
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K1052

Elite Member
Aug 21, 2003
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Enough people will opt to get the available vaccines that they are unlikely to be mandatory. Probably only need about 70% for herd immunity and we can achieve that level even with flu immunizations IIRC.

Now if you would like to enter a foreign country however many of those aren't going to permit you until you provide proof of vaccination. That is unless you would like a 14 day stay in a luxurious government quarantine facility.
 
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CZroe

Lifer
Jun 24, 2001
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Yep. There will be enough states pushing for it in school vaccination programs and nation's requiring it for travel. Together with all the people who have acquired immunity naturally we will reach herd immunity, hopefully before it can become endemic with multiple drastically different strains.

That's entirely possible though, especially since we aren't likely to vaccinate every stray cat (yes, it infects cats) and there are plenty of other human and animal coronaviruses to reassort with.
 

DrMrLordX

Lifer
Apr 27, 2000
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I guess in the grander scheme of things, that might be a sufficient answer.

Mandatory injections of rushed compounds isn't a good look either. Let it bake for 5-10y before mandating imo.

Nah shouldn't take more than a year to get the "bugs" out. Remember, there's multiple vaccine efforts competing with one another. It isn't just one product.
 

Spacehead

Lifer
Jun 2, 2002
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Your statement makes me think you don't really understand biostatistics.

What most lay folks think is that "reliability" is a property of the test itself, it's not, and that's only part of it. Prevalence of disease in the tested population matters A LOT.

The exact same test which performs excellently, will likely be entirely valid in NYC but complete garbage (more likely wrong than right) in a rural area not hit hard by Coronavirus.

Hence, my sentence.
Why is that?
 

[DHT]Osiris

Lifer
Dec 15, 2015
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Nah shouldn't take more than a year to get the "bugs" out. Remember, there's multiple vaccine efforts competing with one another. It isn't just one product.
Birth defects are a big one, need to know if it's going to screw over offspring.
 

Exterous

Super Moderator
Jun 20, 2006
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Michigan is into phase 2 of our opening up with phase 3 next week. The major road nearby was back to pre-COVID levels (super busy). We'll see what happens but I'm guessing a lot of people are going out just to be out and go to stores they couldn't a few days ago...
 

Red Squirrel

No Lifer
May 24, 2003
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Serious question.

If Bill Gates does come out with a vaccine for COVID-19, can the government make it mandatory that you must take it? TBh, that would be a very scary thing.

I would hope not. Anything coming from Bill Gates I like to give it at least 1-2 years to make sure all the bugs are ironed out before I install it on my system.

As a side note pretty big announcement made today. They are lifting a lot of restrictions on a per region basis. They finally listened! The most notable one is gatherings of up to 10 people are allowed now. That means being able to visit family and enjoy time outside together. Hair salons are going to be a big one for lot of people too. I could use a small trim myself but I'm going to wait for the rush to slow down as I'm sure they'll be insane busy.

 

Scarpozzi

Lifer
Jun 13, 2000
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Mandatory injections of rushed compounds isn't a good look either. Let it bake for 5-10y before mandating imo.
It's a once anually shot. Most vaccine tech follows a few established practices and are considered low-risk for side effects.

The biggest risk, I would think, is taking a vaccine that doesn't work and then going to a Phish concert and catching covid from a stranger you don't even know.
 

DrMrLordX

Lifer
Apr 27, 2000
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Birth defects are a big one, need to know if it's going to screw over offspring.

Honest question: when was the last time a vaccine caused birth defects? And wouldn't it be possible to vaccinate in between pregnancies? The current fatality rate on Covid-19 is low enough that waiting a few months shouldn't be that big of an issue.
 
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mopardude87

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Oh i need a laugh like big time, i laugh at the Mark of the Beast shit people spew and then i laugh at our anti christ Bill Gates and his chips. Is there anything honestly new that people believe is mixed with the vaccine?

I could afford to laugh at the Mark of the Beast stuff cause honestly you need to believe in the idea of Hell before really believing the idea of the Mark.Might as well all believe in Mordor as a real place before this fucking shit.
 
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[DHT]Osiris

Lifer
Dec 15, 2015
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Honest question: when was the last time a vaccine caused birth defects? And wouldn't it be possible to vaccinate in between pregnancies? The current fatality rate on Covid-19 is low enough that waiting a few months shouldn't be that big of an issue.
Not a vaccine, but I always think of Thalinomide whenever I think of drugs being rushed to market.

No, I don't anticipate problems like this with a 'simple' vaccine, but neither did the discoverers of Thalidomide I imagine.

It's a once anually shot. Most vaccine tech follows a few established practices and are considered low-risk for side effects.

The biggest risk, I would think, is taking a vaccine that doesn't work and then going to a Phish concert and catching covid from a stranger you don't even know.
Probably true.
 
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Asymptomatic spread of coronavirus is ‘very rare,’ WHO says:

I saw that article yesterday, but all it does is raise new questions:

1) what are they basing this on
2) What do they mean by asymptomatic? After all, in a technical sense, asymptomatic doesn't really mean "not currently exhibiting symptoms." Rather, it is better described as "never exhibiting symptoms". Do they really mean presymptomatic? (Presymptomatic is when symptoms are not yet exhibited but will be)

There have even been a few reports of so-called "asymptomatic" cases where the still had lung defects by CT scan. So is that really asymptomatic?
 
Nov 20, 2009
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Serious question.

If Bill Gates does come out with a vaccine for COVID-19, can the government make it mandatory that you must take it? TBh, that would be a very scary thing.
I would make it mandatory, and anyone refusing denied healthcare relating to the refuser's COVID19 infection. But this plays into my cynicism about spiking the curve.
 

Kaido

Elite Member & Kitchen Overlord
Feb 14, 2004
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I would make it mandatory, and anyone refusing denied healthcare relating to the refuser's COVID19 infection. But this plays into my cynicism about spiking the curve.

This is such a tricky thing. I have some friends who are anti-vaxxers because they simply don't think things through, but I also have some very intelligent friends who are STEM-type people who are anti-vaxxers because they think things through. One aspect is safety, another is personal freedom to choose. The problem is that if you want to live in a society, you also impose a risk to others through your personal choices, and choosing not to get vaccines means that you expose not just yourself, but also risk getting immune-compromised people sick. I mean, personally I'd love to have a COVID vaccine & get things back to normal as quickly as possible, but I also don't want to be part of a Thalidomide type of situation long-term either:

 

Roger Wilco

Diamond Member
Mar 20, 2017
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Many states are starting to show an uptick in new cases. I don't know if this is due to better testing or if these are the first signs of the second wave?
 
Dec 10, 2005
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I saw that article yesterday, but all it does is raise new questions:

1) what are they basing this on
2) What do they mean by asymptomatic? After all, in a technical sense, asymptomatic doesn't really mean "not currently exhibiting symptoms." Rather, it is better described as "never exhibiting symptoms". Do they really mean presymptomatic? (Presymptomatic is when symptoms are not yet exhibited but will be)

There have even been a few reports of so-called "asymptomatic" cases where the still had lung defects by CT scan. So is that really asymptomatic?
On top of this, it appears that WHO is walking back their statement on "asymptomatic" transmission
 
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