NON_POLITICAL China Coronavirus THREAD

[Fanatical Meat]

Thanks. I hadn't seen that. My biggest concern for rural America was distribution.

I still want to see how many people jump to get vaccines. I had my H1N1 back in 2012 and flu shots every year since 2010. I didn't bother before that because I was in my 20s. Isn't it funny that antivaxers tend to be suburban stupid soccer moms afraid of autism and stubborn farmers in the middle of America that likely vaccinate their own livestock?

The over 60 population of Trump supports is really messing with the covid numbers. There's a selfish stupidity that is laced in stubbornness and denial. Not really sure how else to describe it, but it's the same way people deeply engaged in politics shut down when you ask them to consider the other side of things.

I know a guy that was exposed to COVID last week through his church. He had a high temp for 3 nights (Wednesday-Friday), but continued working (not around many people, but still around clients). He got a rapid swab Friday that came back negative....so he went back to work and church yesterday. He was around my Father in Law on Saturday inside a car for 30 minutes and basically has ruined our Thanksgiving plans because we won't allow him in the house at this point until the quarantine period is over. We've not been to our church since before March. Yesterday, as we watched the beginning of service on Youtube, they were saying, "Please keep these members in your prayers....#NAME# is in the hospital with a lung infection. #NAME# is in the hospital with breathing problems...." They basically named 6 people who definitely have COVID, but they never said COVID once....yet that's why they're on Youtube? It's bonkers out there.

yeah problem with these vaccines and the anti vaccine folks will be it is made on a new process and has demon blood in it.
Weird, the I don’t like old vaccines because they contain mercury, which in reality most don’t. They’ll get presented with a mercury free vaccine that uses none of the old preservatives and they’ll complain it’s not tested.
States will play tough on this, especially if after months of it being used it is known to be safe for nearly all. They’ll button up schools saying to attend you must vaccinate.
Covid is a weekly discussion at my Church, the flock is who the message is tailored to. For whatever reason there are folks who still act like Covid is a normal sickness and to some it it, to others it is not. My two-biggest Covid deniers are coming around. They’ve switched from it is no more dangerous than the regular flu to hospitals are reporting Covid death for every death due to various ever changing reasons. I know for a fact both will get immunized as soon as possible. They just won’t admit to it.

 

[K1052]

on a new process and has demon blood in it

That actually sounds awesome and makes me want it more.

 

[Scarpozzi]

yeah problem with these vaccines and the anti vaccine folks will be it is made on a new process and has demon blood in it.
Weird, the I don’t like old vaccines because they contain mercury, which in reality most don’t. They’ll get presented with a mercury free vaccine that uses none of the old preservatives and they’ll complain it’s not tested.
States will play tough on this, especially if after months of it being used it is known to be safe for nearly all. They’ll button up schools saying to attend you must vaccinate.
Covid is a weekly discussion at my Church, the flock is who the message is tailored to. For whatever reason there are folks who still act like Covid is a normal sickness and to some it it, to others it is not. My two-biggest Covid deniers are coming around. They’ve switched from it is no more dangerous than the regular flu to hospitals are reporting Covid death for every death due to various ever changing reasons. I know for a fact both will get immunized as soon as possible. They just won’t admit to it.

Exactly. I think most people who have read anything about covid, the 2 major issues that make it particularly dangerous are that it's 1. Highly contagious/airborne and that 2. There's a delayed immune response/longer than average incubation period. Even if the mortality rate were on par with typical influenza, those two points alone make it more likely to spread through the population because carriers may not identify their illness while they're contagious (point 2) and those that do won't accept that they're spreading it (point 1). When you add the stigma that you did something wrong to get it or that you're alienated from society for 2-3 weeks because you could, I don't know, kill people...folks are reluctant to talk about it. It just makes it more likely to spread through stupid america.

I'm going to continue avoiding people, particularly idiots, as much as I can. I am getting new tires put on my truck at Walmart on Friday, but I'm going to take a can of Lysol to fumigate the cab before I drive away after the tire guys give me the truck back, then I'm going back to my hermit life until Spring.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

That actually sounds awesome and makes me want it more.

Well this depends upon not being a WH40K demon.

 

[thestrangebrew1]

I'm torn. As of right now we're still flying out to Tx, but I'm having reservations. I'm not concerned with being on a plane, but mostly the airports. I imagine since we're flying out early Friday morning, it shouldn't be too busy, but we fly home on Black Friday. It shouldn't be too busy at that time also, but just being in an airport is going to be a bit nerve-wrecking.

Also, CA is recommending anyone coming into the state quarantine for 2 wks after. If it becomes a requirement before we get back, I'm going to have to use 80 hours of sick/vac. That would suck lol

 

[Muse]

Moderna's vaccine possibly a much better idea than Pfizer's:

Pffft! Who needs Pfizer vaccine? Moderna's has ~95% effectiveness and doesn't need dry ice to stay fresh

Estimated 1 billion doses possibly available in 2021. Heard about it today on NPR. Their trial had 90 cases in the placebo group and 5 that got the vaccine, translates to almost 95% effective. Said to be especially effective for the elderly...

forums.anandtech.com

 

[Muse]

Exactly. I think most people who have read anything about covid, the 2 major issues that make it particularly dangerous are that it's 1. Highly contagious/airborne and that 2. There's a delayed immune response/longer than average incubation period. Even if the mortality rate were on par with typical influenza, those two points alone make it more likely to spread through the population because carriers may not identify their illness while they're contagious (point 2) and those that do won't accept that they're spreading it (point 1). When you add the stigma that you did something wrong to get it or that you're alienated from society for 2-3 weeks because you could, I don't know, kill people...folks are reluctant to talk about it. It just makes it more likely to spread through stupid america.

I'm going to continue avoiding people, particularly idiots, as much as I can. I am getting new tires put on my truck at Walmart on Friday, but I'm going to take a can of Lysol to fumigate the cab before I drive away after the tire guys give me the truck back, then I'm going back to my hermit life until Spring.

I had my young neighbor smog my car a few months ago. She's doing my grocery shopping too. I get my social fantasies from my dreams these days, not from consorting with other humans in person! No problem at all for me.

 

[Svnla]

Went inside Taco Bell for the first time since the lockdown began since I had to use the restroom and we had just locked down the building at work. Remembered that my brother mentioned their lobby had just reopened and they were right across the street.

Felt obligated to order something after using their restroom so I got in line only to see the person in front of me and an employee leaning over opposite sides of the counter to see something on the person's phone. They were practically butting heads, then I watch as the person preparing food used his gloved hand to pull his employer-mandated surgical-style mask down, touching all over his face, nose, and mask... literally grabbing the fabric over his nose directly. He then handled his filthy phone with the same gloves and set the phone down on the food preparation surface while he resumed preparing the food with the same gloves he was wearing the whole time, plunging his hands into the shredded cheese and sprinkling it all in a bare taco shell he was also touching.

F-that ...even when there isn't a pandemic. I pointed it out to the woman ahead of me then turned around and walked out.

I'm not under any delusions that this sort of thing isn't happening constantly when I don't see it (ignorance is bliss) but my first thought is that there literally would have been less cross-contamination with his nose/mask/face if he weren't wearing a mask to mess with in the first place. It's not enough to make employees wear masks for the peace of mind of their customers. You have to make sure they aren't making things worse through idiotic mask-handling.

Even when I do take my surgical-style mask on and off, I do it with the elastic straps because... DUH.

Even long before COVID, I was queasy about lthe lack of proper hygiene habit of many people such as no handwashing after using the rest room, no covering for sneezing/couching, etc. Now after several months of preaching from the medical community how to handle interaction, people are still doing crappy stuffs ^^^. SHM.

 

[Scarpozzi]

Even long before COVID, I was queasy about lthe lack of proper hygiene habit of many people such as no handwashing after using the rest room, no covering for sneezing/couching, etc. Now after several months of preaching from the medical community how to handle interaction, people are still doing crappy stuffs ^^^. SHM.

I (used to) go to church and as I'm among the bible beaters and folks that turn their nose up at the thought that evolution could exist, witnessing humans in their natural habitat often strengthens the argument that at least SOME of them evolved from monkeys....if not the other way around and the monkeys are the superior/cleaner animals.

 

[Ajay]

I (used to) go to church and as I'm among the bible beaters and folks that turn their nose up at the thought that evolution could exist, witnessing humans in their natural habitat often strengthens the argument that at least SOME of them evolved from monkeys....if not the other way around and the monkeys are the superior/cleaner animals.

Evolution, though still an evolving Science (not as mathematical as I'd like) is an accepted science at this point. Does this affect my thinking as God being the author and creator of life? No. God is (and must be by definition) omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent. How could such a being be considered incapable of using the natural processes and order of the universe to produce, at some point, human beings? It's He's not, he exists outside of time and space (though clearly He can enter into it). Was there a first man and a first woman that God gifted with souls and that of all their progeny? Why not. Scripture points out (in Christ's words) that nothing is impossible for God. It is quite impossible for us to grasp, let alone understand in detail, how such a process could be possible. Chaos theory tosses an incredulous laugh in our direction.

As to monkeys, well, I prefer human beings, faults and all.

 

[Captante]

As to monkeys, well, I prefer SOME human beings, faults and all

Fixed.

 

[Scarpozzi]

Fixed.

Isn't that what I said....some?

Funny thing about evolution is that there are a bunch of people who don't believe it. That's fine, but when we walked our kids through the Smithsonian a few years ago, my wife was trying to herd them away from the whole exhibit pertaining to it. I can easily undo anything by simply showing my kids this 1992 documentary about it:

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0104187/

 

[K1052]

Favorable indications for durable immunity

https://twitter.com/x/status/1328751557719040001

 

[K1052]

Pfizer reaches two month median safety milestone and is prepping to submit EUA application.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1328762587471876096

 

[Motostu]

Learned today that my father-in-law (80) tested positive. Mother-in-law (76) will likely get it too since they didn't know FIL had been exposed until he showed symptoms. He's doing okay so far; hopefully he'll only have a mild case, but probably too early to tell. We're more worried about the MIL, as she's had congestive heart issues and asthma. They're in Virginia and we're in Alabama. We helped (and will be helping) with ordering groceries to be delivered to their porch while they quarantine, but there really isn't anything more we can do.

 

[Svnla]

New Orleans cancels all Mardi Gras parades and activities for 2021. Big loss of tourists money.

 

[Muse]

Isn't that what I said....some?

Funny thing about evolution is that there are a bunch of people who don't believe it. That's fine, but when we walked our kids through the Smithsonian a few years ago, my wife was trying to herd them away from the whole exhibit pertaining to it. I can easily undo anything by simply showing my kids this 1992 documentary about it:

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0104187/

Please enlighten me. You believe in evolution or you do not? I'm getting confused signals from you about this. And why is your wife herding your kids in the Smithsonian?

Edit: No, I'm pretty clear that you are not up in arms about "evolution" paradigms. But your wife?

Um, my impression is that's no documentary, it's a comedy.

 

[Muse]

Learned today that my father-in-law (80) tested positive. Mother-in-law (76) will likely get it too since they didn't know FIL had been exposed until he showed symptoms. He's doing okay so far; hopefully he'll only have a mild case, but probably too early to tell. We're more worried about the MIL, as she's had congestive heart issues and asthma. They're in Virginia and we're in Alabama. We helped (and will be helping) with ordering groceries to be delivered to their porch while they quarantine, but there really isn't anything more we can do.

Vitamins C, D and supplemental zinc. If she has any symptoms, hopefully some antibody treatment. Given MIL's profile, warranted if available. I'm no doctor but I've been following the epidemic from before most people had heard a thing about it.

 

[Kaido]

Learned today that my father-in-law (80) tested positive. Mother-in-law (76) will likely get it too since they didn't know FIL had been exposed until he showed symptoms. He's doing okay so far; hopefully he'll only have a mild case, but probably too early to tell. We're more worried about the MIL, as she's had congestive heart issues and asthma. They're in Virginia and we're in Alabama. We helped (and will be helping) with ordering groceries to be delivered to their porch while they quarantine, but there really isn't anything more we can do.

Man, my neighbors just got it. Their whole family tested positive. Been dropping off some food at the doorstep as they're all super-sick & are self-quarantining, but it's hard because there's not a lot you can do. Hope it goes easy on your family!

 

[pcslookout]

Supposedly been around sense January Covid in the US. We went on a cruise during that time. So if we got it that is most likely when.

 

[K1052]

More data from Pfizer. 94% efficacy in the over 65 group is really good news.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1329028388296794113

 

[Brainonska511]

More data from Pfizer. 94% efficacy in the over 65 group is really good news.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1329028388296794113

I hate science by press release. I'd also be wary of any subgroup analysis. Most likely, the trial wasn't powered to measure differences in efficacy within a subgroup. At most, the subgroup analyses merely support the primary analysis, with a side of hypothesis generation for future studies.

Edit:
Maybe to phrase it better: It's good that the subgroup analyses appear to support the primary analysis. Nothing wonky going on. But don't read too much into it from a statistics point of view.

 

[K1052]

I hate science by press release. I'd also be wary of any subgroup analysis. Most likely, the trial wasn't powered to measure differences in efficacy within a subgroup. At most, the subgroup analyses merely support the primary analysis, with a side of hypothesis generation for future studies.

Edit:
Maybe to phrase it better: It's good that the subgroup analyses appear to support the primary analysis. Nothing wonky going on. But don't read too much into it from a statistics point of view.

Yea, a more transparent release of the data would be nice but I doubt we're going to see it soon since they are surely in the midst of getting the submission ready.

It seems likely the trial run to completion is powered for this but maybe not for anything really definitive at interim analysis. Not 100% sure but I think they're going to let the trial run closer to completion over the next couple months which will provide a better look.

 

[zinfamous]

There is still a lot of it going on. In fact they are allowing people in to see their family here if they are sick, yet people who are local are not allowed to be here with their family that is sick.

A lot of the cases in my city - well all of them, are because of people who traveled down south to the GTA and other hot spots. Even local travel needs to be more restricted imo. At very least close off the hot spots.

If they would restrict the movement of people they could then lift lot of restrictions in areas that have no new cases. The restrictions are not TOO bad here, but they could get bad if cases keep going up, which they are. Could have the economy going again if places like restaurants could be fully open etc too.

not as much as you think. Europe has pretty much banned all travelers coming from the USA (which is a good decision).

 

[zinfamous]

I hate science by press release. I'd also be wary of any subgroup analysis. Most likely, the trial wasn't powered to measure differences in efficacy within a subgroup. At most, the subgroup analyses merely support the primary analysis, with a side of hypothesis generation for future studies.

Edit:
Maybe to phrase it better: It's good that the subgroup analyses appear to support the primary analysis. Nothing wonky going on. But don't read too much into it from a statistics point of view.

yes, we'll soon learn that the primary test population was 80% white males between the ages of 26-41, and 58-79. ....then bad stuff will happen say, if you are pregnant, hispanic, etc....

I agree, but we're in uncharted waters right now. It's also the first approved mRNA-based vaccine (drug of any sort?) to be released into the general population, I think?
This is sort of gene therapy "light" and while the mRNA strands, I assume, are relatively short, and, at the RNA-translation level, you've bypassed one of the primary machines of error generation when it comes to making proteins (transcription: DNA > RNA), you've still got a semi-rogue bit of mRNA running out there and making proteins.

...assuming that's sort of how it works. I have no idea how this vaccine works, tbh.