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K1052

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yes, we'll soon learn that the primary test population was 80% white males between the ages of 26-41, and 58-79. ....then bad stuff will happen say, if you are pregnant, hispanic, etc....

Pfizer claims 30% non-white enrollment in the US trial. I'd be curious to see the full breakdowns for sex, age, and race at some point.
 
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Pfizer claims 30% non-white enrollment in the US trial. I'd be curious to see the full breakdowns for sex, age, and race at some point.

wish I could remember where but yesterday I read either Pfizer or Moderna had a close to perfect test model for the US regarding age and race.


Edit: I take the age thing back, I am not sure of that part.
 
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not as much as you think. Europe has pretty much banned all travelers coming from the USA (which is a good decision).

lol, is there really a point in travel banning when you already have a rampant outbreak? Seems quite silly IMO.

Not allowing foreigners in is something you do to prevent an outbreak - not contain one domestically.
 
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Muse

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Meantime mask-the-fuck-up, avoid enclosed spaces with other people and if you're in one, keep it short. Sorry, but screw those TG dinners unless they're virtual. I may make a sweet potato pie, that's it, folks!

Been thinking about this, the calendar and the bloody traditions and the state of denial of so much of the populace points to a horrible December and much worse January. Be strong, be safe, be resolute!
 
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IronWing

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Meantime mask-the-fuck-up, avoid enclosed spaces with other people and if you're in one, keep it short. Sorry, but screw those TG dinners unless they're virtual. I may make a sweet potato pie, that's it, folks!

Been thinking about this, the calendar and the bloody traditions and the state of denial of so much of the populace points to a horrible December and much worse January. Be strong, be safe, be resolute!
Okay, but come St. Valentine's Day you best be putting the red dress on.
 

Muse

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Okay, but come St. Valentine's Day you best be putting the red dress on.
Not sure I understand this. I ain't no cross dresser. Can you elaborate? Fun fact, my brother was born on Christmas, died on Valentine's Day. Personally, I don't put much stock in holidays. "Every day's a holiday."

Anyway, the days I'll dance are the ones I get my CV19 vaccination shots.
 

K1052

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COVID testing lines looking like back in July here in Austin when we had the biggest spike. Paper products and cleaning supplies have mostly dried up.
 

K1052

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Looks like big chunks of NYS are sliding back into tighter restrictions. Cuomo giving one of the more combative press conferences in memory right now.

NYC schools announcing the city has hit 3% test positivity so they're closing up effective tomorrow.
 

zinfamous

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lol, is there really a point in travel banning when you already have a rampant outbreak? Seems quite silly IMO.

Not allowing foreigners in is something you do to prevent an outbreak - not contain one domestically.

No, it works both ways. Europeans are generally better at following advice on average, listening to experts. They actually wear masks and obey stay at home orders, don't yell at people and try to start fights for simply trying to do what's best for everyone, at a population level.

Americans are banned because we are morons. They saw how pathetically we can't handle simple, easy, barely inconvenient advice, and the best way to contain the spread is to ban the entry of a crowd of idiots that are hell-bent on making sure the spread continues.
 
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zinfamous

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Looks like big chunks of NYS are sliding back into tighter restrictions. Cuomo giving one of the more combative press conferences in memory right now.

NYC schools announcing the city has hit 3% test positivity so they're closing up effective tomorrow.

well that's just super.
 
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CZroe

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Looks like big chunks of NYS are sliding back into tighter restrictions. Cuomo giving one of the more combative press conferences in memory right now.

NYC schools announcing the city has hit 3% test positivity so they're closing up effective tomorrow.
Didn't WHO guidlines recommend having sub-5% positivity before reopening schools and businesses? I mean, last I checked, 3% is less than 5%. What are they trying to prove?
 

CZroe

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No, it works both ways. Europeans are generally better at following advice on average, listening to experts. They actually wear masks and obey stay at home orders, don't yell at people and try to start fights for simply trying to do what's best for everyone, at a population level.

Americans are banned because we are morons. They saw how pathetically we can't handle simple, easy, barely inconvenient advice, and the best way to contain the spread is to ban the entry of a crowd of idiots that are hell-bent on making sure the spread continues.
Ah. So they are racists who fail to consider Americans as individuals each with their own merit and don't trust their screening and mandatory isolation processes. Got it.
 

K1052

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well that's just super.

The school shutdown seems kind of arbitrary. Testing in them has like 1/10th the positivity of the city test avg I think and it's extremely disruptive.

The Europe shutdowns closed up most things but largely kept schools open and their numbers appear to be declining.
 

K1052

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Didn't WHO guidlines recommend having sub-5% positivity before reopening schools and businesses? I mean, last I checked, 3% is less than 5%. What are they trying to prove?

Sort of address this in the post above. I think it's an arbitrary figure and not really even sound policy.
 
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Svnla

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South Australia (not the whole country for now) could require masks as mandatory and shut down the whole area for at least 6 days or so. Grocery stores shelves are very barren from panic buying. Only one person per household can leave the house per day. Half of the new virus cases are in EU.

In other news, Kroger announces it will resume 2 items per customers on home paper products and cleaning items.
 
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K1052

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Well here in TX the governor won't issue new restrictions even though counties are starting to blow through the thresholds for doing so that were previously stated.

Other states are mostly...not doing the same. Lots of limitations being imposed.
 

Muse

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Didn't WHO guidlines recommend having sub-5% positivity before reopening schools and businesses? I mean, last I checked, 3% is less than 5%. What are they trying to prove?
You can't base your policy on a simple one digit integer. I think they're being more nuanced than that.
 

H T C

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Didn't WHO guidlines recommend having sub-5% positivity before reopening schools and businesses? I mean, last I checked, 3% is less than 5%. What are they trying to prove?

What's better: wait for cases to climb to higher than 5% positivity and THEN close for a big time interval while waiting for cases to return to a "more manageable level", or close now while the case numbers are getting high already but still under the 5% threshold so that the closure period isn't as long because it's much easier to get to a "more manageable level" starting from a lower "baseline"?
 
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CZroe

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You can't base your policy on a simple one digit integer. I think they're being more nuanced than that.

They wouldn't be. They would be basing it on WHO guidelines that are supposedly backed with good science and reason.

What's better: wait for cases to climb to higher than 5% positivity and THEN close for a big time interval while waiting for cases to return to a "more manageable level", or close now while the case numbers are getting high already but still under the 5% threshold so that the closure period isn't as long because it's much easier to get to a "more manageable level" starting from a lower "baseline"?

3% is extremely low.
 

K1052

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Test positivity for students and staff at NYC schools was like 0.25% even as the city itself breached the 3% limit. The problem isn't the schools, at least not below HS level. Europe has largely kept their schools open as restrictions went back into place and they're seeing cases decline.
 

Muse

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They wouldn't be. They would be basing it on WHO guidelines that are supposedly backed with good science and reason.



3% is extremely low.
Hey, this is NY, NYC actually? Density defined in the USA. It's analogous to a nuclear reaction. Get it under control quick or you have a disaster. I wouldn't second guess them, I'm sure Cuomo is conferring with a team of experts. NYC was IIRC the worst situation we've had in the USA so far with this.
 

Muse

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They wouldn't be. They would be basing it on WHO guidelines that are supposedly backed with good science and reason.

3% is extremely low.
I imagine they would be basing it on their own assessments. The WHO guidelines are just guidelines, and can't be one size fits all. Every situation is different. Cuomo has no problem finding experts and he has a lot more brains than that idiot governor in S. Dakota.
 

K1052

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Per Bloomberg News, virus cases in nursing homes are up again. Yike.

As the virus spreads in the community it eventually and inevitably spreads to the most vulnerable. The admin's idea that these people can somehow be realistically protected is either nuts or they know it is not possible but simply don't care.
 
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