NON_POLITICAL China Coronavirus THREAD

[Brainonska511]

But if you... as a normal citizen want to get priority... should you schedule an appointment with your doctor ahead of time in anticipation or something?

I don't see the point of that - vaccine distribution into those channels will probably be last. Your local doctor's office probably has no idea when they would get a shipment of such a vaccine. On top of that, how many doctors have access to a -80C freezer to properly store the Pfizer vaccine?

 

[snoopy7548]

I don't see the point of that - vaccine distribution into those channels will probably be last. Your local doctor's office probably has no idea when they would get a shipment of such a vaccine. On top of that, how many doctors have access to a -80C freezer to properly store the Pfizer vaccine?

His wife?

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

I don't see the point of that - vaccine distribution into those channels will probably be last. Your local doctor's office probably has no idea when they would get a shipment of such a vaccine. On top of that, how many doctors have access to a -80C freezer to properly store the Pfizer vaccine?

Obviously Maderna is right behind Pfizer, so it's certainly not just a "who has a -80C freezer" thing. The fact of the matter is that the people who have priority make up less than 5 or 10% of the population.

That means the remainder will be first-come first-serve.

Just wondering what people here think will be the best means of being a part of the early distribution.

 

[manly]

Vaccine distribution isn't Black Friday, you don't cut the line by being early. Anyway, the feds have already described phases of distribution, although timetables are TBD. For Pfizer+Moderna, the number of expected doses by end of 2020 are not quite enough to cover all of phase 1a (front-line medical workers).

If you must cut the line, the fastest way is probably to fly to Moscow and procure Sputnik V on the gray market. <s>

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Vaccine distribution isn't Black Friday, you don't cut the line by being early. Anyway, the feds have already described phases of distribution, although timetables are TBD. For Pfizer+Moderna, the number of expected doses by end of 2020 are not quite enough to cover all of phase 1a (front-line medical workers).

If you must cut the line, the fastest way is probably to fly to Moscow and procure Sputnik V on the gray market. <s>

I'm not asking to "cut the line" I'm asking, what is the line to begin with?

We have ~350m people here, high priority ones make up AT MOST 50m of that.

So what dictates who is at the front of that 300m and at the back of it?

 

[uclaLabrat]

Me either. If somebody has something specific (non-kooky) I’d be interested to read it. It’s RNA in encased in a lipid not Borg nanotechnology.

I'm reading to see if anything mRNA-based could be oncogenic in any fashion. I dont think so, but im not exactly strong on genetics.

 

[manly]

I'm not asking to "cut the line" I'm asking, what is the line to begin with?

We have ~350m people here, high priority ones make up AT MOST 50m of that.

So what dictates who is at the front of that 300m and at the back of it?

Like I said, no timetables have been revealed yet. Here's a brief overview:

Here's how a COVID-19 vaccine will be administered in 5 phases

(WBNG) -- On Monday, Pfizer announced that its COVID-19 vaccine may be 90% effective at stopping the virus. The New York State Department of Health released a draft of how a COVID-19 vaccination will be administered in October. According to the department, any vaccine will be administered to...

wbng.com

Presumably most of us on this forum will be in "phase" 4 or 5. It's premature to be asking about where do we sign up. These phases are numbered differently from other news sources I've seen, but the descriptions are close enough. My Google-fu isn't so sharp finding a better source because the word "phase" is usually applied to the trials rather than to distribution.

 

[Svnla]

It is bbbbaaaaaccccckkkkk.....what is it? Panic buying it is.

Panic buying of toilet paper hits U.S. stores again with new pandemic restrictions (msn.com)

 

[Red Squirrel]

lmao. Sadly not surprised.

 

[Spacehead]

Which makes me want to lag on getting vaccinated a little so I can be more past the early adopters and more in the 'herd'... Maybe that logic is flawed, but it will be easier to continue to claim to my employer that the risk is high and I need to stay home more now than later...if that makes sense. I'm one of the few that hasn't been in the office since July.

Seems like a lot of the experts are saying the general population probably won't be seeing a vaccine until late spring. I wouldn't be surprised if it's a bit later than that. By that time there should be some evidence one way or the other if there are any sever side effects at least early on. By that time i would feel confident on getting one.

As far as distribution, i guess i assumed that a local hospital would be getting the vaccine & giving it out there instead of every doctor getting them. Someone mentioned they pack those in cases of like 1000. Maybe that would change later.
I'm also viewing this from living in a small town, not a large city setting.

 

[K1052]

Seems like a lot of the experts are saying the general population probably won't be seeing a vaccine until late spring. I wouldn't be surprised if it's a bit later than that. By that time there should be some evidence one way or the other if there are any sever side effects at least early on. By that time i would feel confident on getting one.

As far as distribution, i guess i assumed that a local hospital would be getting the vaccine & giving it out there instead of every doctor getting them. Someone mentioned they pack those in cases of like 1000. Maybe that would change later.
I'm also viewing this from living in a small town, not a large city setting.

If you're a nurse in a hospital full of COVID patients I'd say Dec-Jan. If you're me (rando healthy under 40 white male with no conditions) I'd say April-ish.

This presumes both vaccines from Pfizer and Moderna are authorized and there are no major hiccups in the production ramp of course.

 

[Spacehead]

If you're a nurse in a hospital full of COVID patients I'd say Dec-Jan. If you're me (rando healthy under 40 white male with no conditions) I'd say April-ish.

This presumes both vaccines from Pfizer and Moderna are authorized and there are no major hiccups in the production ramp of course.

Yeah, when i said "general population" i meant people that would be in the last phase. I should of made that clearer.
Also, it's a government operation on getting the vaccines out, that's why i said i wouldn't be surprised if it's a bit later than late spring. And with you-know-who holding up the New Guy that might cause some delays down the road too.

 

[FelixDeCat]

It is bbbbaaaaaccccckkkkk.....what is it? Panic buying it is.

Panic buying of toilet paper hits U.S. stores again with new pandemic restrictions (msn.com)

This is because the media is whipping up the public into a frenzy as directed by the entities that seek more relief funds.

Thus we will be inundated with a Chicken Little blitz of "OMG THE SKY IS FALLING! CORONAVIRUS!! RUN FOR THE HILLS!!!"

 

[Ichinisan]

Seems like a lot of the experts are saying the general population probably won't be seeing a vaccine until late spring. I wouldn't be surprised if it's a bit later than that. By that time there should be some evidence one way or the other if there are any sever side effects at least early on. By that time i would feel confident on getting one.

As far as distribution, i guess i assumed that a local hospital would be getting the vaccine & giving it out there instead of every doctor getting them. Someone mentioned they pack those in cases of like 1000. Maybe that would change later.
I'm also viewing this from living in a small town, not a large city setting.

Once the major metropolitan areas are close to herd immunity, maybe people in rural areas can be encouraged or incentivized to make a household trip to a major metropolitan area with a drive-through vaccination service. Reducing the number of distribution points to optimize the utilization and practicality of cold-storage systems.

 

[CZroe]

Once the major metropolitan areas are close to herd immunity, maybe people in rural areas can be encouraged or incentivized to make a household trip to a major metropolitan area with a drive-through vaccination service. Reducing the number of distribution points to optimize the utilization and practicality of cold-storage systems.

...and we still have the issue with rural folks not getting equal access.

 

[Ichinisan]

...and we still have the issue with rural folks not getting equal access.

Areas with less population density probably shouldn’t be prioritized anyway. There will probably have to be compromise. Some access is better than none. It would be even worse if half the vaccine produced is ruined due to failures in distribution logistics.

 

[K1052]

Regeneron’s combo monoclonal antibody treatment receives EUA.

It needs to be given early and with the system so burdened I’m somewhat skeptical we can make the most use of it now.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1330319179174604801

 

[K1052]

Slaoui talks a bit about expectations for immunization. Pretty much in line with what most people think the RNA vaccine availability will look like, ramped to about 60M doses a month early next year. It is not discussed but if one of the adenovirus based vaccines pans out with doses available soon after that timetable for herd immunity could be cut even shorter.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1330513113624555522

 

[FelixDeCat]

Careful with the mRNA vaccines. The last one developed for the H1N1 virus (Pandemerix) caused some to get Narcolepsy:

Narcolepsy Following 2009 Pandemrix Influenza Vaccination in Europe | Vaccine Safety | CDC

Some studies found a risk of narcolepsy following Pandemrix flu vaccine during the 2009-10 H1N1 pandemic. Other studies, including one by CDC in 2018, did not find an association. Pandemrix was used only in Europe.

www.cdc.gov

 

[Brainonska511]

Careful with the mRNA vaccines. The last one developed for the H1N1 virus (Pandemerix) caused some to get Narcolepsy:

Narcolepsy Following 2009 Pandemrix Influenza Vaccination in Europe | Vaccine Safety | CDC

Some studies found a risk of narcolepsy following Pandemrix flu vaccine during the 2009-10 H1N1 pandemic. Other studies, including one by CDC in 2018, did not find an association. Pandemrix was used only in Europe.

www.cdc.gov

1) While Pandemerix was associated with narcolepsy, it was never approved in the US
2) Pandemerix was not an mRNA-based vaccine
3) Regardless of point #2, being of a same type does not mean the same adverse events will occur

 

[FelixDeCat]

1) While Pandemerix was associated with narcolepsy, it was never approved in the US
2) Pandemerix was not an mRNA-based vaccine
3) Regardless of point #2, being of a same type does not mean the same adverse events will occur

4) If it was not mRNA, what was it then?
5) With a lot of vaxes getting EUA, do we know enough to say you wont grow a third eye in middle of your skull?
6) Better to proceed with caution than with reckless abandon and simply "hope for the best"

 

[Brainonska511]

4) If it was not mRNA, what was it then?
5) With a lot of vaxes getting EUA, do we know enough to say you wont grow a third eye in middle of your skull?
6) Better to proceed with caution than with reckless abandon and simply "hope for the best"

The H1N1 vaccine you referenced was an inactivated virus-based vaccine. There are a number of ways to make a vaccine. Just because you don't know the specific type doesn't mean it was some bad or novel type.

I don't think you need to worry about any vaccine ever causing such a ridiculous adverse event. First, while these vaccines may get EUA eventually, they aren't approved yet. And it's not like there is no data to back up the safety and efficacy: these things will be reviewed by experts before any authorization is granted. In fact, those steps are the opposite of throwing caution to the wind.

And if you didn't notice, confirmed COVID-19 has killed 250,000+ Americans. I think the accelerated timeline and review is currently warranted.

 

[K1052]

Welp went on a long walk today and everything is busier than I've seen it since March. Lots of out of state plates in the neighborhood. The few restaurants I walked past were packed inside and out.

December is going to be a real son of a bitch.

 

[JujuFish]

Welp went on a long walk today and everything is busier than I've seen it since March. Lots of out of state plates in the neighborhood. The few restaurants I walked past were packed inside and out.

December is going to be a real son of a bitch.

Can't wait for the spike in cases a week from Thanksgiving.

 

[Captante]

Welp went on a long walk today and everything is busier than I've seen it since March. Lots of out of state plates in the neighborhood. The few restaurants I walked past were packed inside and out.

December is going to be a real son of a bitch.

I had a quiet Thanksgiving planned with my ex and younger daughter but now daughter isn't coming back from school until Christmas break so we cancelled. *(I will still be picking up a plate of food on t-day)

Same kind of stuff happened in 1918 on Thanksgiving although to be fair they had way more of an excuse to be going stir-crazy with WWI having just ended.

The virus was unmoved however and a few weeks later along came the real peak of the pandemic.