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Phase 2. That'll put Phase 3 around September.
They doing a 2/3 combo.
Phase 2. That'll put Phase 3 around September.
Which is a phase 2 followed by phase 3. It eliminates dead time between the two, but it is still two separate phases.just like phase 1 was in the same trial and was separate.They doing a 2/3 combo.
Which is a phase 2 followed by phase 3. It eliminates dead time between the two, but it is still two separate phases.just like phase 1 was in the same trial and was separate.
Guess I should've read the article. That is different than the other 2/3 trials. That's good news.Unless I'm mistaken they're running them simultaneously, which would seem to be the case with the timeline they're stating.
People keep claiming mounting evidence without actually showing any mounting evidence.
It still is an underlying racist conspiracy theory.Well, they are so public at this point I figured I wouldn't need to cite them. Would you like for me to?
I mean - at minimal will you admit that it was once actively condemned by the news media and declared a hoax, that it's racist, conspiracy theory - etc... and magically overnight now that research and people have actually started flowing out that it's no longer in that category?
It still is an underlying racist conspiracy theory.
The evidence for a lab accident being the cause is low, and the evidence of it being an engineered virus in some fashion (de novo or some sort of gain of function work) is nonexistent.
The story is largely being pushed to absolve certain other peoples of their failures to properly respond to the pandemic. It's certainly not because the general public and those public officials are genuinely curious about BSL3/4 lab safety, and if we need to address that to prevent future accidents (if indeed, that was the what precipitated this whole affair).
It is important to try and understand where the virus originated, as these kinds of pandemics could happen again as we have greater encroachment on wild habitats (without any sort of future hypothetical lab accident); however the level of discourse is not conducive to actually figuring out what happened; the public discourse largely wants to assign blame.
It still is an underlying racist conspiracy theory.
The evidence for a lab accident being the cause is low, and the evidence of it being an engineered virus in some fashion (de novo or some sort of gain of function work) is nonexistent.
The story is largely being pushed to absolve certain other peoples of their failures to properly respond to the pandemic. It's certainly not because the general public and those public officials are genuinely curious about BSL3/4 lab safety, and if we need to address that to prevent future accidents (if indeed, that was the what precipitated this whole affair).
It is important to try and understand where the virus originated, as these kinds of pandemics could happen again as we have greater encroachment on wild habitats (without any sort of future hypothetical lab accident); however the level of discourse is not conducive to actually figuring out what happened; the public discourse largely wants to assign blame.
I think there issue with the CDC is they became politically ran in the 1980s and started to care about politics at that point.I mean, as abysmal as the Trump admin's performance was, I can't say I'm impressed with performance of the WHO or the CDC, either. And I particularly wonder why it was so politically-difficult for most countries to put any restrictions on international travel.
In a just world Trump would be in jail, for this and many other things, but I don't think the repucussions for something this huge should or will stop with the orange idiot.
You have a strange definition for “racist.” How is the reality that the name is a common Chinese surname “a racist trope?” Reality = Racist?So your evidence against the article is a popup on Foreign Policy magazine that is probably autotriggered by article content and a racist trope about the journalist's surname?
Probably because the author's surname has nothing to do with the quality or integrity of the content? I think lots of people would agree that using a person's last name both as a way at assume their race and use that race as an attack against the quality of their writing is, very simply put, racist.You have a strange definition for “racist.” How is the reality that the name is a common Chinese surname “a racist trope?” Reality = Racist?
...but, clearly, you are trying to call me racist for noticing or acknowledging the possibility. Recognizing a common Chinese surname in an article that aligns with current Chinese propaganda is not “racist.” Is Google racist for affirming that? How is the reality that it’s a common Chinese surname somehow “a racist trope?”
I’m just saying I wouldn’t be so quick to endorse it as “good” knowing that it could be soft-power Chinese propaganda from an author motivated to reach a certain conclusion. That’s all. Don’t post stuff like that and not EXPECT it to get pointed out. Better yet, acknowledge it yourself instead of just calling it “good.”
You could’ve said: You might think this is Chinese propaganda for obvious reasons but I think it makes some good points.
...but, no. You’d rather point the finger and scream “racist” when someone more straight-forward and honest than you points out the elephant in the room.
The guy is Canadian. Or at least, he's in Canada right now.You have a strange definition for “racist.” How is the reality that the name is a common Chinese surname “a racist trope?” Reality = Racist?
...but, clearly, you are trying to call me racist for noticing or acknowledging the possibility. Recognizing a common Chinese surname in an article that aligns with current Chinese propaganda is not “racist.” Is Google racist for affirming that? How is the reality that it’s a common Chinese surname somehow “a racist trope?”
I’m just saying I wouldn’t be so quick to endorse it as “good” knowing that it could be soft-power Chinese propaganda from an author motivated to reach a certain conclusion. That’s all. Don’t post stuff like that and not EXPECT it to get pointed out. Better yet, acknowledge it yourself instead of just calling it “good.”
You could’ve said: You might think this is Chinese propaganda for obvious reasons but I think it makes some good points.
...but, no. You’d rather point the finger and scream “racist” when someone more straight-forward and honest than you points out the elephant in the room.
No one suggested his last name had any bearing on whether or not it was a lab leak. It was about how likely the article is to be soft-power propaganda, as well-written as it is.The guy is Canadian. Or at least, he's in Canada right now.
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Look, there's reasons to suspect that this was a lab leak, there's reasons to think it wasn't a lab leak. A reporter's last name is NOT one of those reasons, and only serves to create racist arguments, even if it wasn't the original intent.
Of course I did. It’s right there in the screenshot *I* shared. There’s a reason it’s listed second though.By the way, did you know Ling is also an English name? Did you know a third of people with the surname Ling in the US are white? No? You just assume Chinese? Okay, then.
How about a year later (March 2021)?I don't believe we are missing anywhere near the number of cases as we were even six months ago. That huge supposedly undetected number is just another tool people are using to claim herd immunity is near and this thing is almost over without more lockdowns or vaccines. It was probably true in April but now not so much.
The India/Delta variant is here. We are getting there before 2022 one way or the other. With seroprevalence over 50% back in March it’s safe to say that actual immunity is much higher, especially since vaccine distribution had not slowed at that point. Despite hesitancy, we are on-track for herd immunity if not nearly there.It is fantastic, but the trendline is discouraging. Unless you figure out some way to crack vaccine hesitancy (ignoring the outright refuseniks), experts now believe it is unlikely we will reach "herd immunity" this year. Maybe that'll be OK, we could possibly be into the 60s % vaccinated, with significant natural immunity as well. If I had to guess, the pandemic isn't ending for the U.S. this summer, and there will be a manageable bump of infections in the late fall.
'Lab leak' doesn't necessarily require some Dr Moreau style crafting of dna/rna strands. I'm pretty sure any non-crazy 'lab leak theorists' (I include myself in that) are far more in the camp of one of two theories; either it being natural (and somehow having not already broken loose across the globe), having been studied, and got out through poor handling practices, OR (and what I find to be far more likely) that there was gain of function research being done on an existing pathogen, which permitted it either intentionally or unintentionally to infect humans, which then led to an unintended release.To be blunt ... I've yet to see much/any EVIDENCE that anyone really knows where Covid-19 originated.
I have heard a lot of people talking endless crap though.
Also why is it that folks are fixated on Covid having been "created" in a lab? It could easily be a completely natural dangerous pathogen they were studying which got loose due to some sloppy lab safety practices.
This is not even a SMALL stretch IMO. Having said that I still don't believe anyone is sure about anything.
Crap. This might explain why some people's sense of smell haven't fully returned even after covid recovery.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/17/new...-of-brain-tissue-dr-scott-gottlieb-warns.html
I think @vi edit mentioned in a thread I read that he got covid and his sense of smell was still messed up even after recovery.
Isn't it possible that there was some modification on a zoonotic strain in the lab, a subsequent leak and that we'll find out by virtue of evidence some day/year? I'm not saying this happened, it's just hypothetical. IOW, I'm not saying "we'll never know its origin."'Lab leak' doesn't necessarily require some Dr Moreau style crafting of dna/rna strands. I'm pretty sure any non-crazy 'lab leak theorists' (I include myself in that) are far more in the camp of one of two theories; either it being natural (and somehow having not already broken loose across the globe), having been studied, and got out through poor handling practices, OR (and what I find to be far more likely) that there was gain of function research being done on an existing pathogen, which permitted it either intentionally or unintentionally to infect humans, which then led to an unintended release.
Yes, it's perfectly possible that this was a natural event. There's just a lot of coincidences that surround that natural event, which raises my eyebrow.
I was trying to figure that out. I'd assumed that the loss of smell and taste had to do with the destruction of either taste buds or olfactory sense cells by the virus, but evidently that may not be it. Seems it could be destruction of brain tissue that processes smell/teste sensations.Oof. Yeah. I'm almost 15 months out and almost no smell. Well this sucks. :/
Thanks for the link and tag though. I've not seen this theory before.
Crap. This might explain why some people's sense of smell haven't fully returned even after covid recovery.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/17/new...-of-brain-tissue-dr-scott-gottlieb-warns.html
I think @vi edit mentioned in a thread I read that he got covid and his sense of smell was still messed up even after recovery.
I mean, people tried to tell them, but it's just been 'la la la; I can't hear you.'A lot of people who acted like contracting the virus was no big deal because the vast majority survive seriously failed to consider the possibility of stuff like this.