NON_POLITICAL China Coronavirus THREAD

[Muse]

I find Naproxen (Aleve) to be the most effective OTC pan reliever personally, however its seriously hard on your stomach, especially if taken a bunch of times and without much food. Might be safest to go with Acetaminophen. (Tylenol)

I've used ibuprofen, naproxen, acetaminophen, aspirin. Don't know why but I can't remember once thinking any of them did a thing for me except give me heartburn. I figure to buy acetaminophen next week at Costco 'cause people are saying here it would help with a fever from covid-19. I hate being sick, period. Anything I can do that might lessen the damage, I figure I should do.

Everyone has to figure that this virus is around right now in pockets in CA and very shortly we're going to be hearing about thoset ad nauseum. Echoing earlier in the thread, it's better to get it before treatment facilities are overburdened, so I figure why over react at this point? I flew to San Diego this morning. Only saw two people wearing masks. One was on the plane, the other on a train.

 

[Ichinisan]

How many gun deaths are there annually?

Traffic deaths?

Heart Disease?

Cancer?

Stroke?

Drowning?

People need to get a grip.

The Marketeers need to grow up.

The only thing protecting you from the worst is people's concern. You should be thankful.

 

[Roger Wilco]

And it is very likely that 8% figure for the flu reflects only those diagnosed/treated within the medical system. My grandson had the flu a couple of weeks ago. He just stayed home and felt miserable for 4 - 5 days.

Do 80% of people who get the flu experience almost no symptoms?

 

[echo4747]

I've used ibuprofen, naproxen, acetaminophen, aspirin. Don't know why but I can't remember once thinking any of them did a thing for me except give me heartburn. I figure to buy acetaminophen next week at Costco 'cause people are saying here it would help with a fever from covid-19. I hate being sick, period. Anything I can do that might lessen the damage, I figure I should do.

Everyone has to figure that this virus is around right now in pockets in CA and very shortly we're going to be hearing about thoset ad nauseum. Echoing earlier in the thread, it's better to get it before treatment facilities are overburdened, so I figure why over react at this point? I flew to San Diego this morning. Only saw two people wearing masks. One was on the plane, the other on a train.

I too will buy acetaminophin and naproxen ( already have plenty of ibuprofen & aspirin) I am also going to buy some vit D3 and Vit C the more I read the more convinced these can help boost the immune system. Not buying because I think it will prevent getting covid-19 ... I just feel a stronger immune system could very well lessen the severity of it should one contract this virus

 

[Muse]

According the the CDC, 8% of the US population contract the flu each year. Assuming 8% of Americans contract COVID-19, with a mortality rate of 1%, that would mean 264,800 deaths. What if the morality rate is closer to 2%, now we are talking half a million.

How many people can your local hospital keep in quarantine and treat at one time. If the hospital is full of quarantine patients where will accident, stroke, heart attack, and other life threatening patients be treated?

I don't see how the contraction rate for this is going to be like that of the flu, i.e. 8%. It's much more contagious. I heard flu victims pass on to other at the rate of 1.3 per, but covid-19 is estimated at 2.5. At it's worst this could get very messy.

 

[Red Squirrel]

I don't think we can even really compare this to the flu. The flu untreated tends to last a few days or so and does not require hospitalization or anything special. This virus will kill you if untreated. Even healthy people in their 20's are dying from it.

I'm sick as hell right now which means my immune system is down so really trying to avoid the public at this point. I don't think the coronavirus is around where I live though, but better safe than sorry.

 

[Muse]

I too will buy acetaminophin and naproxen ( already have plenty of ibuprofen & aspirin) I am also going to buy some vit D3 and Vit C the more I read the more convinced these can help boost the immune system. Not buying because I think it will prevent getting covid-19 ... I just feel a stronger immune system could very well lessen the severity of it should one contract this virus

I have those things, I should check to see I have plenty. I sometimes take vitamins and supplements regularly, lately just occasionally. Guess I should make it regular again at least until this blows over.

 

[Muse]

I saw a story on TV news last night about someone's dog having tested positive for covid-19! They said they would investigate possible ramifications. That's concerning!

Would pneumonia vaccine be any benefit in this? Or is that just for bacterial pneumonia? I presume that covid-19 infection would make you more susceptible to any kind of pneumonia, however.

 

[Muse]

And it is very likely that 8% figure for the flu reflects only those diagnosed/treated within the medical system. My grandson had the flu a couple of weeks ago. He just stayed home and felt miserable for 4 - 5 days.

I usually don't know if I have the flu or not when I get sick. Can't remember thinking I definitely had the flu. I don't know that I've ever been a statistic for flu contraction. I was sick with something in Dec. IIRC, no idea what it was but it must have been a virus.

I'll see my sister tonight, who's been recovering from what she thinks is flu this week. Hope I don't catch it.

He was tested flu positive?

See, that's it, I've never been tested for flu!

 

[Mai72]

How many gun deaths are there annually?

Traffic deaths?

Heart Disease?

Cancer?

Stroke?

Drowning?

People need to get a grip.

The Marketeers need to grow up.

But those deaths don't sell as many copies as a mysterious disease that could WIPE OUT THE WORLD!!! Muwahahahaha...

Seriously though. People are misguided, and have been since the beginning of time. How many people eat like sh*t. Crap food that will probably give them cancer, and yet we worry about a virus that may or may not be an issue. People are always thinking irrationally. Think about snow storms and how people rush to the supermarket to get their bread and milk god forbid. It also shows the power of our news outlets, and how we as a society are always on 24/7. It's not good for your mental health.

 

[positivedoppler]

I saw a story on TV news last night about someone's dog having tested positive for covid-19! They said they would investigate possible ramifications. That's concerning!

Would pneumonia vaccine be any benefit in this? Or is that just for bacterial pneumonia? I presume that covid-19 infection would make you more susceptible to any kind of pneumonia, however.

Even if the virus doesn't attack dog cells, there's the potential of the virus surviving in a dogs body and then it goes and licks everything.....

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Not sure if it's been posted yet - but basically Japan has no plans to cancel, move, etc.. the olympics.

Christ, who cares if you kick back the olympics by a year? At this point it seems to be pure stupidity to do the olympics REGARDLESS of where it is.

Exclusive: Tokyo has no 'Plan B' for Games despite coronavirus

Tokyo has no Plan B for this year's Summer Olympics despite alarm over the spread of the coronavirus in Japan and elsewhere with under five months before the event, a senior official said on Friday.

www.reuters.com

 

[Muse]

How many:

"How many gun deaths are there annually?

Traffic deaths?

Heart Disease?

Cancer?

Stroke?

Drowning?

People need to get a grip.

The Marketeers need to grow up. "
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But those things you can avoid.

I don't have a gun, which makes me less likely to die from one.

I am a great driver, haven't had an accident in over 50 years, plus I drive less than 1500 miles/yr.

I had my heart function tested over the summer, I'm great, and I do the things that keep my heart healthy.

I try hard to avoid carcinogens.

My BP is great, I'm less likely to have a stroke, I do the things that are good for my BP.

I swim real well, not apt to drown.

But, not coming down with covid-19 is a toughy... and not coming down with it at the height of the epidemic (when it will be most lethal) is way tougher!

 

[MtnMan]

The first HUGE difference is that you can't "catch" any of the below simply by being in the same room, ship, plane, etc., as is the case with the COVID-19. The spread aboard the cruise ship demonstrates how easily this virus can spread. The case in CA, where there is no know method of transmission. The woman had not been out of the country, nor had she had any contact with those evacuated to the US that are infected.

How long does COVID-19 survive on surfaces?
The typical airliner makes 5 flights per day for domestic flights. The seat belt buckles, tray tables, air vents, window shades, lights, call buttons, etc., are NOT sanitized between each of those flights, if ever.

The common cold virus can survive up to 7 days on a solid surface, the flu virus 24 - 48 hours... How long for COVID-19?

How many gun deaths are there annually?

I own guns to protect myself against others with guns, and I practice gun safety.

Traffic deaths?

I wear my seat belt, I drive defensively

Heart Disease?

I have check-ups and have had a stress test

Cancer?

i have check-ups, and when I was diagnosed 5 years ago I sought treatment, now cancer free

Stroke?

I have check-ups, and take meds to control my blood pressure

Drowning?

I know how to swim, if I go boating, I wear a life vest.

 

[Red Squirrel]

Not sure if it's been posted yet - but basically Japan has no plans to cancel, move, etc.. the olympics.

Christ, who cares if you kick back the olympics by a year? At this point it seems to be pure stupidity to do the olympics REGARDLESS of where it is.

Exclusive: Tokyo has no 'Plan B' for Games despite coronavirus

Tokyo has no Plan B for this year's Summer Olympics despite alarm over the spread of the coronavirus in Japan and elsewhere with under five months before the event, a senior official said on Friday.

www.reuters.com

No kidding, they should at least be pushed forward by a year, then have the next ones at the normal scheduled date so the cycle is back to normal. (ex 2022, 2024 etc)

Having that many people traveling to one location and then back home in the middle of a pandemic seems like a bad idea.

 

[Mai72]

Not sure if it's been posted yet - but basically Japan has no plans to cancel, move, etc.. the olympics.

Christ, who cares if you kick back the olympics by a year? At this point it seems to be pure stupidity to do the olympics REGARDLESS of where it is.

Exclusive: Tokyo has no 'Plan B' for Games despite coronavirus

Tokyo has no Plan B for this year's Summer Olympics despite alarm over the spread of the coronavirus in Japan and elsewhere with under five months before the event, a senior official said on Friday.

www.reuters.com

That is an economic decision. That's it. Think about the billions they stand to lose if they cancel the Olympics.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

That is an economic decision. That's it. Think about the billions they stand to lose if they cancel the Olympics.

That's why I said - no cancel, just move to the next year (if possible of course).

Plenty of times countries are unprepared for the mass tourism and have tons of projects they have to work ridiculously to finish by the start.

 

[zinfamous]

Chances are one of my neighbors will get the virus before I do, so I'll just steal their water.

just do what I do. I plan to hit up @ponyo house and survive there. Dude has enough meat to feed a battalion for months.

 

[Mai72]

The first HUGE difference is that you can't "catch" any of the below simply by being in the same room, ship, plane, etc., as is the case with the COVID-19. The spread aboard the cruise ship demonstrates how easily this virus can spread. The case in CA, where there is no know method of transmission. The woman had not been out of the country, nor had she had any contact with those evacuated to the US that are infected.

How long does COVID-19 survive on surfaces?
The typical airliner makes 5 flights per day for domestic flights. The seat belt buckles, tray tables, air vents, window shades, lights, call buttons, etc., are NOT sanitized between each of those flights, if ever.

The common cold virus can survive up to 7 days on a solid surface, the flu virus 24 - 48 hours... How long for COVID-19?


I own guns to protect myself against others with guns, and I practice gun safety.

I wear my seat belt, I drive defensively

I have check-ups and have had a stress test

i have check-ups, and when I was diagnosed 5 years ago I sought treatment, now cancer free

I have check-ups, and take meds to control my blood pressure

I know how to swim, if I go boating, I wear a life vest.

All of your examples are illusions. Security is mostly an illusion. I do hope you realize that?

1. Guns- You could still die from a nut job who wants to do harm, or just by accident.
2. Seat Belts- Ain't going to help if you get hit on the side. BTW, people still die even wearing a seat belt.
3. Checkups, stress test- Those still aren't full proof. You can have amazing health markers, and still die from a mysterious illness or heart attack. It happens all the time.
4. Blood pressure- Again, it's not full proof. It's great that you do these things, but all it does is reduce your chance of dying early. It doesn't eliminate it.
5. Swimming- You could be thrown overboard and be disoriented which could lead to you drowning. Weariing a life vest helps, but there still is a chance of you drowning.

"Security is mostly a superstition. It does not exist in nature, nor do the children of men as a whole experience it. Avoiding danger is no safer in the long run than outright exposure. Life is either a daring adventure, or nothing." ~Helen Keller.

 

[snoopy7548]

just do what I do. I plan to hit up @ponyo house and survive there. Dude has enough meat to feed a battalion for months.

Dibs on his Tesla!

 

[zinfamous]

I don't think we can even really compare this to the flu. The flu untreated tends to last a few days or so and does not require hospitalization or anything special. This virus will kill you if untreated. Even healthy people in their 20's are dying from it.

I'm sick as hell right now which means my immune system is down so really trying to avoid the public at this point. I don't think the coronavirus is around where I live though, but better safe than sorry.

it absolutely does in a lot of patients: from young to old. and it's not just a few days.

here's the thing: layfolk don't seem to know anything about the flu. It seems that conflating the flu with a cold is very common. be wary of your sources and your personal experience when it comes to understanding these things. The flu is actually pretty fucking devastating at an individual case level, and it's an annual thing.

 

[zinfamous]

Dibs on his Tesla!

I don't think he has one yet, but you can have it.

I'm taking his Tesla shares. ....I'll make it possible, somehow.

 

[MtnMan]

All of your examples are illusions. Security is mostly an illusion. I do hope you realize that?

1. Guns- You could still die from a nut job who wants to do harm, or just by accident.
2. Seat Belts- Ain't going to help if you get hit on the side. BTW, people still die even wearing a seat belt.
3. Checkups, stress test- Those still aren't full proof. You can have amazing health markers, and still die from a mysterious illness or heart attack. It happens all the time.
4. Blood pressure- Again, it's not full proof. It's great that you do these things, but all it does is reduce your chance of dying early. It doesn't eliminate it.
5. Swimming- You could be thrown overboard and be disoriented which could lead to you drowning. Weariing a life vest helps, but there still is a chance of you drowning.

"Security is mostly a superstition. It does not exist in nature, nor do the children of men as a whole experience it. Avoiding danger is no safer in the long run than outright exposure. Life is either a daring adventure, or nothing." ~Helen Keller.

Here is a fact, that you seem to not be aware. Life is a sexually transmitted terminal disease. Deal with it.

OBTW, an approved and properly worn life vest will keep an unconcious persons head above water.. and I haven't been on a boat in a long long time.

 

[zinfamous]

All of your examples are illusions. Security is mostly an illusion. I do hope you realize that?

1. Guns- You could still die from a nut job who wants to do harm, or just by accident.
2. Seat Belts- Ain't going to help if you get hit on the side. BTW, people still die even wearing a seat belt.
3. Checkups, stress test- Those still aren't full proof. You can have amazing health markers, and still die from a mysterious illness or heart attack. It happens all the time.
4. Blood pressure- Again, it's not full proof. It's great that you do these things, but all it does is reduce your chance of dying early. It doesn't eliminate it.
5. Swimming- You could be thrown overboard and be disoriented which could lead to you drowning. Weariing a life vest helps, but there still is a chance of you drowning.

"Security is mostly a superstition. It does not exist in nature, nor do the children of men as a whole experience it. Avoiding danger is no safer in the long run than outright exposure. Life is either a daring adventure, or nothing." ~Helen Keller.

again, you can be trained to deal with such issues and also simply avoid them pretty easily. you can't just magic-pokemon communicable diseases away.

stop trying to self-help book actual real life problems away with stupid bromides.

....and also, just live, ffs. no need to be terrified about all of those things, all of the time, which is kinda the point.

 

[Arkaign]

Here's the thing, the H1N1 Spanish Flu in 1918 was initially just a bad but not apocalyptic strain of the Flu. This was 'First Wave' Jan-July 1918. Then, a mutated, dramatically more fatal variant emerged in August that caused the catastrophic infection and fatality rates the 'Spanish' Flu became infamous for.

So, the CFR *hopefully* stays under 1%. However, following Dr John Campbell online, the info he's been getting from inside Iran seems to indicate they have something really aggressive there. Killing healthy 20-30yos in mere days. So the potential is that this is already split into multiple variants. It is an H1N1 base after all, the past versions have done so at times.

Fwiw : some info on the 1918 mutation :

"The second wave of the 1918 pandemic was much deadlier than the first. The first wave had resembled typical flu epidemics; those most at risk were the sick and elderly, while younger, healthier people recovered easily. But in August, when the second wave began in France, Sierra Leone and the United States,[45] the virus had mutated to a much deadlier form. This has been attributed to the circumstances of the First World War."