NON_POLITICAL China Coronavirus THREAD

[Svnla]

Layoffs? Maybe stopping work/pay for a while, but I figure once the scare dies down they would have to quickly ramp up production again?

If things get better, sure. Ram up and back to normal after a brief interruption/slow down.

But what if things don't get better? Remember when everyone thought this virus was just mainland china and maybe some next door neighbors and nothing else? Now it is on multiple countries on all continents except Antarctica with over 85,000 infections and 2,900 deaths (for now).

In other news, a vaccine for this virus "might be" available at the earliest around June/July if it is possible at all (mutations and if it would even work across the board). Japan is shutting down schools until April. Nothing about the Olympics yet.

 

[dasherHampton]

I read a NY Times article today that stated that the death rate is most likely WAY lower than the 2% being reported.

It might end up being lower that the death rate for common flu when all is said and done.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

I read a NY Times article today that the death rate is most likely WAY lower than the 2% being reported.

It might end up being lower that the death rate for common flu when all is said and done.

Really? Not doubting you or anything, I would just figure that if anything... more people are falling over and dying and coronavirus isn't being diagnosed on them to begin-with....

Not everyone has access to a hospital - and even if they do having the ability to go to it and pay for it isn't always possible in a lot of the countries were talking about.

 

[jpiniero]

It does appear to be way way more contagious than the flu, so even if people only just get sick it might take awhile to get it under control.

 

[pmv]

I read a NY Times article today that stated that the death rate is most likely WAY lower than the 2% being reported.

It might end up being lower that the death rate for common flu when all is said and done.

I don't agree that 2% is 'being reported'. Most reports either don't give a figure, or just say it's too hard to tell yet. The most common figure I hear among those who do venture a claim, would be 1%.

Clearly you can't just take the raw death and infection figures and do simple arithmetic because (a) there are obviously a lot of non-counted infection cases (especially in Iran, it seems) and (b) there's going to be a time lag between infection and outcome (i.e. death or recovery). Those two effects are, as far as I can make out, going to cause errors in opposite directions. There seem to be rival WHO scientists directly contradicting each other on the point (a), one saying China undercounted cases, the other saying they didn't. There's also the point that it hasn't yet really hit poorer countries or refugee camps.

1% sounds plausible to me, but that would be quite bad enough, and who really knows if that's the figure, anyway? Seems that pandemics are like the movie business - 'nobody knows anything'.

 

[Red Squirrel]

Wait I thought it was more like 50%? Arn't even healthy people dying from it?

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Wait I thought it was more like 50%? Arn't even healthy people dying from it?

Yes. It's not anywhere near a 50% mortality rate, but it's still high (relatively speaking) at somewhere in the realm of 1-2%.

 

[pmv]

Wait I thought it was more like 50%? Arn't even healthy people dying from it?

Is that sarcasm? I can't tell! Definitely not 50%!

If you go by Singapore's figures, it's 0% fatal. If you go by what Iran is reporting (which is obviously nonsense) it's 6%. So God alone knows.

 

[K1052]

Layoffs? Maybe stopping work/pay for a while, but I figure once the scare dies down they would have to quickly ramp up production again?

The supply chain is likely to come back unevenly and take months to really ramp up. And nobody I've talked to believes the Chinese are anywhere close to up and running again.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Coronavirus in N.Y.: Manhattan Woman Is First Confirmed Case in State (Published 2020)

A woman in her 30s who had traveled in Iran contracted the virus and is now isolated at home.

www.nytimes.com

Big apple's about to get really messy!

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

The supply chain is likely to come back unevenly and take months to really ramp up. And nobody I've talked to believes the Chinese are anywhere close to up and running again.

Oh well, since I'm in software sales I guess I can survive at least....

Definitely seems like a horrid time to be entering the working world similar to 2009... which is coincidentally right when I was entering the labor force;.

 

[Mai72]

The supply chain is likely to come back unevenly and take months to really ramp up. And nobody I've talked to believes the Chinese are anywhere close to up and running again.

I think the Chinese aren't telling the truth. Their economy took a big hit with this virus, and it wasn't great to begin with. Now, they are stating that they have this under control, and infections have fallen. Bullsh*t. This is the same government that said that only 144 Chinese died in 2019 died from the seasonal flu. In a country of 1B people. Yea, OK. I don't trust what comes out of China.

 

[ponyo]

I think the Chinese aren't telling the truth. Their economy took a big hit with this virus, and it wasn't great to begin with. Now, they are stating that they have this under control, and infections have fallen. Bullsh*t. This is the same government that said that only 144 Chinese died in 2019 died from the seasonal flu. In a country of 1B people. Yea, OK. I don't trust what comes out of China.

I trust China right now more than the US. I believe the infections in China and South Korea have peaked and is on the decline now. You won't see that reflected in the numbers for couple more weeks because the numbers are lagging indicator. But virus have peaked and is on the decline in both countries.

 

[Svnla]

Best ways to stop this virus (mostly common sense and good hygiene practices) via WHO - https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public

Don't be a dirty pig, folks.

 

[mohit9206]

I read a NY Times article today that stated that the death rate is most likely WAY lower than the 2% being reported.

It might end up being lower that the death rate for common flu when all is said and done.

Impossible, death rate will remain in around 2% range.

 

[TheVrolok]

Impossible, death rate will remain in around 2% range.

You really don't know that

 

[mohit9206]

You really don't know that

Ok "might".

 

[TheVrolok]

Ok "might".

Fair enough.

 

[Scarpozzi]

Wait I thought it was more like 50%? Arn't even healthy people dying from it?

It's not that high. It varies by age though. They say young kids aren't affected and that it tends to target older people or those with underlying conditions and they don't know why. It's like the virus replicates slowly and symptoms aren't bad....then at some point, some folks' immune systems kick into overdrive and start doing organ damage.

I read that Iran has a different strain/mutation that been more lethal to younger adults that were seemingly healthy.

 

[Roger Wilco]

It's not that high. It varies by age though. They say young kids aren't affected and that it tends to target older people or those with underlying conditions and they don't know why. It's like the virus replicates slowly and symptoms aren't bad....then at some point, some folks' immune systems kick into overdrive and start doing organ damage.

I read that Iran has a different strain/mutation that been more lethal to younger adults that were seemingly healthy.

Is there any substantiated evidence supporting this?

 

[Ichinisan]

It's not that high. It varies by age though. They say young kids aren't affected and that it tends to target older people or those with underlying conditions and they don't know why. It's like the virus replicates slowly and symptoms aren't bad....then at some point, some folks' immune systems kick into overdrive and start doing organ damage.

I read that Iran has a different strain/mutation that been more lethal to younger adults that were seemingly healthy.

It's not like that. All respiratory illnesses pose a significantly increased danger to the elderly and frail (obviously).

 

[Scarpozzi]

Is there any substantiated evidence supporting this?

Of course not! It's probably just typical media-scare.

But I was just going to say, if it DOES mutate to attack 30 year olds, it's naturally going to go for the ones that live in basements, play video games, and rarely see sunlight.

 

[Muse]

Best ways to stop this virus (mostly common sense and good hygiene practices) via WHO - https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public

Don't be a dirty pig, folks.

I was waiting for my plane yesterday and a couple of piggish guys were getting under my skin. One occasionally would cough very loudly, not cover his mouth... they were sitting opposite me. I moved to another row. I had an N95 with me, didn't don it. It's unlikely around now very much and I figure getting it now might not be such a bad idea. Getting it at its height is the bigger concern.

 

[Roger Wilco]

Of course not! It's probably just typical media-scare.

But I was just going to say, if it DOES mutate to attack 30 year olds, it's naturally going to go for the ones that live in basements, play video games, and rarely see sunlight.

OK lol. I'm mostly worried about my young kids. The one silver lining in this whole thing has been that ages 0-10 have barely been affected.

 

[Captante]

I was waiting for my plane yesterday and a couple of piggish guys were getting under my skin. One occasionally would cough very loudly, not cover his mouth... they were sitting opposite me. I moved to another row. I had an N95 with me, didn't don it. It's unlikely around now very much and I figure getting it now might not be such a bad idea. Getting it at its height is the bigger concern.

Corona virus or not that's just plain rude and disgusting ... some people are slobs and really do need a quick backhand.