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[DHT]Osiris

Lifer
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I've found most doctors to be very knowledgeable concerning medical matters. However, there are mind boggling exceptions. One wonders how they graduated from medical school. Trump found some of those and formed alliances. Birds of a feather flock together, and know-nothings avoid knowledgeable people. An observant person had to notice how Trump kept his best medical advisors at great distance during his daily news conferences earlier in the pandemic. He glanced over his right shoulder at one when he thought out loud about the efficacy of injecting bleach. She, however, looked down at the floor.
Know what they call the person that graduated last in his class at medical school?

Doctor.

EDIT: Should have read the rest of the thread first.
 
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Torn Mind

Lifer
Nov 25, 2012
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My experience is that medics don't know very much about anything. Medical science is _so_ over-rated, they don't know anything like as much as their inflated reputation suggests (just look at the frantic learning process we've witnessed in the course of this pandemic).
I can relate.

My mom had some questionable blood numbers indicating potential prediabetes but the doc didn't order a HbA1C yet. Her most recent blood test in Nov 2021 registered a blood glucose of 105 and he messaged back saying they'll check it at the next appointment...in May 2022. She first went there in Aug 2021 for a few things, namely a persistent "bubbly" and red patch of skin on her right tibia area leg that's been there for a year or two.

There was also the usual "drug fixes"; I don't think he was pushy or anything. Statins and biphosphonates. If one agrees to the statins, then it would be a persistent, long-term period of intake of over 5 years.

Her hearing has been deteriorating, so I find myself wearing earmuffs or headphones when she's talking to me because I can hear her more than loud and clear.

Stumbling into Ford Brewer's channel certain provided some useful information regarding heart attacks, lifestyle prevention, etc. He used to head the preventative medicine unit at Hopkins.

Doesn't say much for your "experience" is my take-away from this post.




Definition of science:

"the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment."

Doctors are essentially practical scientists and thus DO NOT know everything obviously, however you are 100% mistaken in that they do have quite a bit of knowledge.

We have quite a ways to go before Dr McCoy's medical "Tricorders" but all kinds of stuff that was a quick death sentence when I was a kid is treatable or curable now.
While I do not agree with Dr. Michael Greger on his vegan tendencies and certain inaccuracies, his experience going through med school and the like indicates that the common doctor is not always someone who is sure to fix a person up healthy; the might have tunnel vision about simply fixing what shows up in the diagnostic. It's probably the most valuable information in his book How Not To Die.
 

jpiniero

Lifer
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Wasn't really paying attention to this, but the new Spider-Man movie looks like it might end up being a Top 5 all time weekend in the US. $200M+.

That's pretty shocking that there's even enough theaters open to be able to handle the crowds. So 20 million+ people in the US decided they'd sit in a dark movie theater packed in with each other for 2 and a half hours.
 
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Captante

Lifer
Oct 20, 2003
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Wasn't really paying attention to this, but the new Spider-Man movie looks like it might end up being a Top 5 all time weekend in the US. $200M+.

That's pretty shocking that there's even enough theaters open to be able to handle the crowds. So 20 million+ people in the US decided they'd sit in a dark movie theater packed in with each other for 2 and a half hours.


Awesome timing.... it'll be like a 20-million man petri-dish of omicron!




(plus in the previews this movie looked like a mess...?)
 

pmv

Lifer
May 30, 2008
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I've found most doctors to be very knowledgeable concerning medical matters. However, there are mind boggling exceptions. One wonders how they graduated from medical school. Trump found some of those and formed alliances. Birds of a feather flock together, and know-nothings avoid knowledgeable people. An observant person had to notice how Trump kept his best medical advisors at great distance during his daily news conferences earlier in the pandemic. He glanced over his right shoulder at one when he thought out loud about the efficacy of injecting bleach. She, however, looked down at the floor.

I'm not talking about individual competence, I'm talking about the vast areas that it seems medical science as a whole doesn't understand very well and which are still clearly areas of active research. If your condition falls into one of those areas it's hard to get any answers from doctors because the answers just aren't out there.
 
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K1052

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Aug 21, 2003
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Wasn't really paying attention to this, but the new Spider-Man movie looks like it might end up being a Top 5 all time weekend in the US. $200M+.

That's pretty shocking that there's even enough theaters open to be able to handle the crowds. So 20 million+ people in the US decided they'd sit in a dark movie theater packed in with each other for 2 and a half hours.

Basically all the cinemas in the country that survived are operating. I saw it on Thursday. I’m triple vaxed, in good health, not seeing anyone vulnerable, and have access to ample antigen rapid testing. I’ll wear my KNs but I don’t feel like sealing myself in the bunker again unless Omicron proves more deadly than it has so far.
 
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Mai72

Lifer
Sep 12, 2012
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A possible VIRAL BLIZZARD will be upon us very soon. I just got done listening to the Osterhom podcast. He's predicting a bad winter. So many unvaccaniated people in America. If Omicron takes off like it's expected we are going to have more people hospitalized. More Americans are going to die. Such a shame that we have such a dustrust of Science. But hey. God will take care of it. Yea, OK... Good podcast btw.

 
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Captante

Lifer
Oct 20, 2003
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Basically all the cinemas in the country that survived are operating. I saw it on Thursday. I’m triple vaxed, in good health, not seeing anyone vulnerable, and have access to ample antigen rapid testing. I’ll wear my KNs but I don’t feel like sealing myself in the bunker again unless Omicron proves more deadly than it has so far.


I feel the same way but IDK about movie theaters anymore .... barely seemed worth it to me BEFORE the pandemic nevermind now.

I don't want to catch Covid at all myself vaxxed or not and a crowded theater sounds like a fantastic place to do just that.
 

Ajay

Lifer
Jan 8, 2001
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I'm not talking about individual competence, I'm talking about the vast areas that it seems medical science as a whole doesn't understand very well and which are still clearly areas of active research. If your condition falls into one of those areas it's hard to get any answers from doctors because the answers just aren't out there.
Modern medicine is still young. Give it another couple hundred years**. I know, not helpful for us, but for others it will be.


**Assuming we don't kill off 95% of the population with nukes or something else terrible.
 

pmv

Lifer
May 30, 2008
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I don't entirely understand the various statements about the spread of COVID.

For example


Says cases are doubling every 1.5 days in London.

Coupled with the fact that in most of inner London now the case numbers are between 1.2 and 1.5% of the population - does that mean that in 9 days it will have increased by a factor of 64, i.e. to 77-96% of the population, so by the new year _everyone_ in the city will be infected?

(Just call me Dr Blair)

 

pmv

Lifer
May 30, 2008
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Incidentally I always liked how he was sufficiently prepared that he had MS "Armageddeon visualiser" already installed.

Animated paperclip pops up "It looks like you are modelling the end of the world, do you need some help?"


Or maybe he just knocked it out quickly with some prototyping tools and a scripting language? But still felt compelled to put some neat animation effects in there, because just producing a list of numbers is so _boring_.
 
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K1052

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I feel the same way but IDK about movie theaters anymore .... barely seemed worth it to me BEFORE the pandemic nevermind now.

I don't want to catch Covid at all myself vaxxed or not and a crowded theater sounds like a fantastic place to do just that.

Indoor dining and bars are likely much riskier than a cinema where, if you don't want to, you don't have to take your mask off at all and people are generally quiet (we know singing, loud talking, etc is great for transmission).
 
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K1052

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Incidentally I always liked how he was sufficiently prepared that he had MS "Armageddeon visualiser" already installed.

Animated paperclip pops up "It looks like you are modelling the end of the world, do you need some help?"


Or maybe he just knocked it out quickly with some prototyping tools and a scripting language? But still felt compelled to put some neat animation effects in there, because just producing a list of numbers is so _boring_.

Have to have a little bit of show for the audience on the implications so it makes more sense when he tires to murder his coworkers.
 

Muse

Lifer
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A possible VIRAL BLIZZARD will be upon us very soon. I just got done listening to the Osterhom podcast. He's predicting a bad winter. So many unvaccaniated people in America. If Omicron takes off like it's expected we are going to have more people hospitalized. More Americans are going to die. Such a shame that we have such a dustrust of Science. But hey. God will take care of it. Yea, OK... Good podcast btw.

Thank you, I WILL watch that. I read a long interview of Osterholm online back near the beginning of the pandemic and was super impressed (and informed). I believe he was the consultant for Contagion, a movie that kind of predicts our pandemic. I got ahold of that and watched it back 1st half of 2020.

The news stories I've been watching over the last few days are ominous. People aren't changing their holiday plans, omicron shmomicron. Hospitals and staff are already stretched to the limit in many places. New York's preparing for a very bad situation to develop. I'm triple vaxxed but am keeping my N95's close at hand and have no plans to congregate with anyone. My volunteer gig is likely to reconvene in person in our facilities in a month or two, that's my biggest concern. They're educated people but that counts for only so much.
 

local

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After severely overestimating the impact COVID would have since Jan 2020 and being proven wrong several times I am going to go ahead and assume that the sky will in fact stay up this time. Yes many many more people will get sick but I do not believe it is going to result in too much of an impact. Seeing a lot of anectodical accounts of people in London and NYC saying there are very large numbers of sick people who basically have a cold, it is not like previous waves where tons of people were gravely ill. Hospitals are reporting a large increase in cases but those cases are not there because of COVID they just happen to have it. I'm more worried about interruptions to the supply chain from mandatory quarantines than I am the actual disease at this point. Hopefully I am not wrong again.
 
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K1052

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Aug 21, 2003
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After severely overestimating the impact COVID would have since Jan 2020 and being proven wrong several times I am going to go ahead and assume that the sky will in fact stay up this time. Yes many many more people will get sick but I do not believe it is going to result in too much of an impact. Seeing a lot of anectodical accounts of people in London and NYC saying there are very large numbers of sick people who basically have a cold, it is not like previous waves where tons of people were gravely ill. Hospitals are reporting a large increase in cases but those cases are not there because of COVID they just happen to have it. I'm more worried about interruptions to the supply chain from mandatory quarantines than I am the actual disease at this point. Hopefully I am not wrong again.

At least on Twitter it seems like all cases of people I follow, who are vaccinated and probably boosted, are mild. Complaints of severe symptoms were much more commonplace last year before people had gotten shots.
 

Scarpozzi

Lifer
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I booked another trip for mid-February. I haven't got my plane tickets yet....waiting for the price to go down.
 

Scarpozzi

Lifer
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Yes...Old news....and that's mostly Delta. 30 hospitalizations per 100k people is somewhat manageable as long as they recover quicker than 30 days. That's the problem with the way covid was being treated in 2020. It was taking a full month for people to recover. I believe with the treatments they have now, the outcomes are MUCH better...but that's not to say that nursing staff are going to be happy with unvaxxed people coming through the doors still. It's almost like the serving staff in a restaurant getting paid $2.50/hour to wait tables......then one minute before closing some cheap jerk comes through the door demanding to be seated and doesn't leave a tip.
 

Spacehead

Lifer
Jun 2, 2002
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After severely overestimating the impact COVID would have since Jan 2020 and being proven wrong several times I am going to go ahead and assume that the sky will in fact stay up this time. Yes many many more people will get sick but I do not believe it is going to result in too much of an impact. Seeing a lot of anectodical accounts of people in London and NYC saying there are very large numbers of sick people who basically have a cold, it is not like previous waves where tons of people were gravely ill. Hospitals are reporting a large increase in cases but those cases are not there because of COVID they just happen to have it. I'm more worried about interruptions to the supply chain from mandatory quarantines than I am the actual disease at this point. Hopefully I am not wrong again.
At least on Twitter it seems like all cases of people I follow, who are vaccinated and probably boosted, are mild. Complaints of severe symptoms were much more commonplace last year before people had gotten shots.
Do we know which variant is hitting those people?
I know a few people that have gotten it recently & their first symptom was loss of taste & smell, but mild other than that. It's come back for them I have a relative who still hasn't fully gotten hers back yet & it's coming up on 1 year since she lost those senses. She had a mild case at the time.
 
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MrSquished

Lifer
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Do we know which variant is hitting those people?
I know a few people that have gotten it recently & their first symptom was loss of taste & smell, but mild other than that. It's come back for them I have a relative who still hasn't fully gotten hers back yet & it's coming up on 1 year since she lost those senses. She had a mild case at the time.
I just spoke to a client of mine who had COVID Thanksgiving of 2020. Lost taste quite a bit but mostly smell. Just starting to get her smell back well for some types of things, but certainly not all things. Like she can't smell gas. She is preggers so at the stove she's accidentally turned on the stove with her belly turning around. Her husband has to smell it and run in from the other room and tell her that it's on and needs to turn it off.
 
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local

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At least on Twitter it seems like all cases of people I follow, who are vaccinated and probably boosted, are mild. Complaints of severe symptoms were much more commonplace last year before people had gotten shots.

Yes last year and even with Delta this year there were many more people saying there were severe cases that there are now and we are seeing record cases in many places due to Omicron. None of this is scientific but it doesn't feel nearly as ominous this time.

Do we know which variant is hitting those people?
I know a few people that have gotten it recently & their first symptom was loss of taste & smell, but mild other than that. It's come back for them I have a relative who still hasn't fully gotten hers back yet & it's coming up on 1 year since she lost those senses. She had a mild case at the time.

Nothing concrete but given the near vertical growth curve for Omicron in these areas it is a fairly safe assumption. Also for what it is worth it appears loss of taste and smell is a much rarer symptom with Omicron. With Omicron it looks like the major symptoms are sore throat, runny nose, congestion and some fever, basically a cold and that is what is being described by these people. I know there will still be thousands of people that do not get a "mild" case but this isn't looking like a complete disaster yet.
 
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