NON_POLITICAL China Coronavirus THREAD

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mooncancook

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I really don't understand the WHO. For starters, they've been publicly praising China to the skies in a way that seems a bit odd. Now they are quoting death rates that completely ignore all the uncounted infection cases, and thus putting out questionable high numbers that are going to alarm everyone.
And then at the end they say

"what we have been genuinely heartened by is that unlike influenza, where countries have fought back, where they've put in place strong measures, we've remarkably seen that the virus is suppressed "

Which surely can only be referring to China, as nowhere else has (allegedly) suppressed the virus. But do they seriously believe democracies can do what China did? What planet is this guy on?

That whole article is baffling.
WHO is bought out by the CCP, take what they say with a grain of salt
 

Ichinisan

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TheVrolok

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It seems they are just quoting the confirmed cases, which seems a bit presumptuous. Take the United States, for example. We have just over 113 confirmed cases and 9 deaths out of those cases. At face value, that gives the United States an 8% death rate. However, we all know the number of cases is much higher; they just haven't been confirmed yet due to botched CDC tests, and there are likley many people who either feel nothing or think they have a simple cold.

This seems like a dangerously premature and inflammatory thing for the WHO to say when mitigating panic is important.
All of this.
 

pmv

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It seems they are just quoting the confirmed cases, which seems a bit presumptuous. Take the United States, for example. We have just over 113 confirmed cases and 9 deaths out of those cases. At face value, that gives the United States an 8% death rate. However, we all know the number of cases is much higher; they just haven't been confirmed yet due to botched CDC tests, and there are likley many people who either feel nothing or think they have a simple cold.

This seems like a dangerously premature and inflammatory thing for the WHO to say when mitigating panic is important.


This seems obviously the case, and yet at the same time they refuse to use the word 'pandemic' for fear of creating fear. Seems completely inconsistent to me - simultaneously exaggerating and downplaying the crisis. What are they up to?
 

pmv

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From the perspective of "COVID-19 is the name of the disease caused by the SARS-CoV-2 virus," the mortality rate for the disease really is close to 3.4% so far. People asymptomatic or with mild-enough symptoms to be undiagnosed may have the virus but don't have the disease. Severe cases do have the disease, and of those about 3.4% so far have died.


Seems like logic-chopping to me. It seems a misleading way to present information to the public. Is there much point giving a mortality rate for 'the disease' as opposed to the infection? What does doing that achieve? Seems rather circular, in fact. If you are so ill that you seem like you might die, then you might die. If you are only mildly ill such that that you aren't dying, then you aren't dying.

I increasingly don't trust these guys.
 
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pmv

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WHO is bought out by the CCP, take what they say with a grain of salt

Normally I'd distrust a certain amount of China-bashing (as with Russia-paranoia) on the grounds that I don't know what the politics behind it is. But in this case, yeah, China's response to the virus is clearly _highly_ contestable, yet WHO have praised them to an unqualified degree that seems to me to be obviously political. And now they appear to be presenting China's extreme authoritarian response as a ideal model for everyone to follow. Just odd.
 

echo4747

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Tasmania (of all places) joins the covid-19 club. Even more more astounding is N Korea not reporting any cases. Who does N Korea think they are fooling
 

jpiniero

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Normally I'd distrust a certain amount of China-bashing (as with Russia-paranoia) on the grounds that I don't know what the politics behind it is. But in this case, yeah, China's response to the virus is clearly _highly_ contestable, yet WHO have praised them to an unqualified degree that seems to me to be obviously political. And now they appear to be presenting China's extreme authoritarian response as a ideal model for everyone to follow. Just odd.

It's just that the WHO has a shared interest in trying to convince people to stay calm and be good little consumer whores.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Regarding WHO, this isn't really that odd although it might be hard to understand so I'll use HIV and AIDS as an example. One can have HIV which can lead to AIDs but not automatically with treatment. Therefore the death rate from HIV is nill UNLESS AIDS sets in.

WHO seems to be doing much the same. Those who have not reached a certain criteria in terms of presentation of disease are like those with HIV. Once they show definite diagnosable signs apart from testing, then "they have AIDS" metaphorically, that is they have the disease, not just the virus.

HTH
 

Dari

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The President said this coronavirus will die out when spring/summer rolls around. Well, it's summer in the southern hemisphere right now. How are they coping? I'm hearing about very few cases in in South America, Africa and Africa. Maybe he's right? Thoughts?
 

Hayabusa Rider

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The President said this coronavirus will die out when spring/summer rolls around. Well, it's summer in the southern hemisphere right now. How are they coping? I'm hearing about very few cases in in South America, Africa and Africa. Maybe he's right? Thoughts?

Insufficient data.
 
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The Southern hemisphere - aside from Australia... aren't exactly known for being first world countries with lots of media and adequate healthcare.
 

pmv

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Regarding WHO, this isn't really that odd although it might be hard to understand so I'll use HIV and AIDS as an example. One can have HIV which can lead to AIDs but not automatically with treatment. Therefore the death rate from HIV is nill UNLESS AIDS sets in.

WHO seems to be doing much the same. Those who have not reached a certain criteria in terms of presentation of disease are like those with HIV. Once they show definite diagnosable signs apart from testing, then "they have AIDS" metaphorically, that is they have the disease, not just the virus.

HTH


Yeah, but what is the point of publicly talking about the death-rate from the subjectively-defined illness as opposed to the virus? What does that gain other than sewing confusion among the public?

Furthermore the HIV/Aids distinction appears to have a much clearer objective criteria than the corona virus case. The reality is that many of those not being counted as having the 'disease' are uncounted not because they don't meet some objective definitional criteria, but because the authorities in places like Iran are not able to identify them or count them properly and because there's not much testing going on.

Infact, the more I think about it, the less your explanation holds up. The WHO's figures are based on identified cases, which has little to do with a formal distinction between 'disease' and 'virus' and everything to do with shortcomings in monitoring the population. As far as I can see. (If you know better, by all means explain!)
 
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DrMrLordX

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The Southern hemisphere - aside from Australia... aren't exactly known for being first world countries with lots of media and adequate healthcare.

. . . what? Brasil? Not everyone there is living in favelas. Also, South Africa? New Zealand?
 
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. . . what? Brasil? Not everyone there is living in favelas. Also, South Africa? New Zealand?

New Zealand, sure. I was also just speaking in generalities. New Zealand IIRC confirmed 2 cases already thus helping to prove my point.


And I've been to Brazil 3+ times, it's a crap hole regardless of what a couple downtown cities tell you
 
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JujuFish

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The President said this coronavirus will die out when spring/summer rolls around. Well, it's summer in the southern hemisphere right now. How are they coping? I'm hearing about very few cases in in South America, Africa and Africa. Maybe he's right? Thoughts?
Trump is talking out of his ass to assuage fears since the stock market is tanking. He's neither right nor wrong; he's just making shit up like normal.
 

Scarpozzi

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NPR Story yesterday is probably the most positive thing I've read about this in weeks. The takeaway is that they're saying the obvious...everything is being underreported because healthy people aren't coming forward OR being tested. They're just fighting the virus. A few of the cruise ship patients that tested positive had a mild cough and no real symptoms. Had they not been swabbed multiple times, they wouldn't have known they had it. How many people in the US have had a mild cough in the past 3 weeks that went away on its own?
 
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Denly

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I don't know why people stock up on ridiculous amounts of toilet paper.

Why couldn't you just use a soft washcloth if you run out? I imagine your ass would feel like a million bucks after a few days of being cleaned with warm water and soap after every dump.

Time to buy toto water seat lol, pretty much the whole Japan use those.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Yeah, but what is the point of publicly talking about the death-rate from the subjectively-defined illness as opposed to the virus? What does that gain other than sewing confusion among the public?

Furthermore the HIV/Aids distinction appears to have a much clearer objective criteria than the corona virus case. The reality is that many of those not being counted as having the 'disease' are uncounted not because they don't meet some objective definitional criteria, but because the authorities in places like Iran are not able to identify them or count them properly and because there's not much testing going on.

Infact, the more I think about it, the less your explanation holds up. The WHO's figures are based on identified cases, which has little to do with a formal distinction between 'disease' and 'virus' and everything to do with shortcomings in monitoring the population. As far as I can see. (If you know better, by all means explain!)


Identified cases based on test? Yeah it is too confusing but the media really doesn't help either. A larger problem perhaps is that the public doesn't know what it doesn't know and there's no real reason everyone should at the outset. Self education would be nice but that is time consuming.
 

K1052

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Sounds like some Chinese industry is starting to turn back on but it's uneven and could take up to a few months for everything to get fully working again. This will certainly impact a lot of stuff this year.

Also Italy is considering closing its schools. All of them.
 

Scarpozzi

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They still don't know exactly how the virus is spread so readily. I've been doing some deep thinking about how it traveled so readily in the nursing home. It turns out, the water aerobics class there uses pool noodles. Guess what they eat in china...? Noodles! Italy?? Noodles! South Korea?? MOTHERF*&KING NOODLES!!!!

IT'S NOODLES!!!
 

Captante

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Better not do that on Amazon. They would remove your product(s) and could ban you.

"The removal comes after Wired found sellers gouging the prices of coronavirus-related products, like face masks, or charging people "exorbitant shipping costs," according to the magazine. In one instance, the publication found a seller with face masks for as much as five times their normal price."



Yeah I saw that ... fortunately I was joking/being a douche ... your choice!




People who really do that sort of thing are scum... NYC has an anti-price gouging law I believe not sure about anywhere else.



My plan of attack at this point is I'm relatively young and relatively healthy so I'm just going to flex on Coronavirus and take it on. That way if it comes around again when I'm old I will be immune.

Don't put that on my tombstone if it kills me though


Ahhh ... famous last words!

*(mine as well btw)
 
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