NON_POLITICAL China Coronavirus THREAD

[Red Squirrel]

Says the guy who doesn't clear the snow off his solar panels.

True, but 400w is not much when it's only producing about 5 hours a day. I would love to be able to actually switch the house to solar but I don't have the room for a proper setup. Hydro is environmentally friendly anyway.

 

[CZroe]

Not convinced. If you have finite storage space, and finite carrying capacity, why make water a priority for stocking up? It's very bulky and you can get it from the tap. It's also environmentally irresponsible to 'prefer' bottled water to tap water (if you don't live somewhere where the water is genuinely unsafe, and if you do you probably need to change your govenrment).

Nah, stocking up on bottled water is silly.

LOL! Who doesn't have room for two months of supplies? Very few. You can even store bottled water outside if you want to... I certainly do when there is no chance of it freezing. Heck, I often freeze one intentionally so my bottle will be cold through a shift at work after I finish my cold one from the fridge. The people with limited space for supplies like water probably aren't the ones stocking up on water... obviously.

Even then, your space limitations totally depend on how long you want to stock up for. Some people only want a month or less. We usually get 5-10 cases of bottled water at a time so we have enough for months even when there isn't some kind of health concern. It's just more efficient.

"Priority?" Those are your words to support some silly assumptions. We buy bottled water and it isn't because we think the tap is "unsafe." We certainly don't consider it "priority."

I recall a Blondie comic from nearly 20 years ago where Dagwood's boss was chewing him out for telling him years earlier not to invest in bottled water and cellphones because they were "a fad." The last panel was intended to show how clueless Dagwood was: it showed a busy street filled with people on cellphones guzzling bottled water... even the baby in a baby stroller. If you still don't realize how ubiquitous this is, well, you're somehow still as clueless as Dagwood was 20 years ago.

 

[pmv]

LOL! Who doesn't have room for two months of supplies? Very few. You can even store bottled water outside if you want to... I certainly do when there is no chance of it freezing.

Even then, your space limitations totally depends on how long you want to stock up for. Some people only want a month or less. We usually get 5-10 cases of bottled water at a time so we have enough for months even when there isn't some kind of health concern. It's just more efficient.

"Priority?" Those are your words to support some very silly assumptions. We buy bottled water and it isn't because we think the tap is "unsafe."

I recall a Blondie comic from darn near 20 years ago where Dagwood's boss was chewing him out for telling him not to invest in bottled water because it was "a fad." The last panel showed a busy street filled with people guzzling bottled water... even the baby in a baby stroller. If you still don't realize how ubiquitous this is, well, you're nearly 25 years late.

Buying bottled water is irresponsible due to the environmental consequences.

(Also - 'outside'? Half of the population of this city live in flats and don't have an 'outside'!)

 

[CZroe]

Seems like a stupid thing to do when tap water is practically free. People have to start thinking more about the environment and not buying bottled water is a very easy step instead of finding excuses.

Where is the lecture about bottled soft drinks versus a Soda Stream or whatever at home?

 

[CZroe]

Buying bottled water is irresponsible due to the environmental consequences.

(Also - 'outside'? Half of the population of this city live in flats and don't have an 'outside'!)

Yes. "Outside." Keep a case or two in your parked car or balcony for all I care. I certainly have. I've lived in apartments and condos and never have I seen a pantry that couldn't hold a couple months worth of canned food. Bottled water can be shoved almost anywhere... under the bed, on top of the kitchen cabinets, beside the washing machine, in a broom closet, etc, etc.

 

[Scarpozzi]

Yes. "Outside." Keep a case or two in your parked car or balcony for all I care. I certainly have. I've lived in apartments and condos and never have I seen a pantry that couldn't hold a couple months worth of canned food. Bottled water can be shoved almost anywhere... under the bed, on top of the kitchen cabinets, beside the washing machine, in a broom closet, etc, etc.

I'm always worried about chemicals from the plastic bottles leaching into the water.... moreso if the bottles are stored above 80 degrees. I store them in a cool place, if possible...but typically drink from the tap or collect water by squeezing tree bark and sticks together with my bare hands....like a real man.

 

[Red Squirrel]

Best bet to store water is some kind of metal container. Can you buy empty kegs? That would probably be the best bet. You could buy beer kegs and just drink the beer but you'd want to make sure you really wash it well. Then store tap water (don't filter it) and ideally it should pretty much never go bad. You could even add a bit of chlorine. When you go to use it then you can filter it.

If you're really stuck your water heater is a good storage source too. Though without pressure it won't be easy to get the water out.

I probably should look into water storage myself just for general disaster situations but really short of a huge outbreak there is always water somewhere I can get. Snow, or the river. River is heavily polluted but I could boil it.

 

[Exterous]

As for essentials, I was referring to coronavirus essentials like masks and hand wipes. Those are gone and you have to wait for restock.

Not around here. I heard about shortages but I was at Sam's club and Kroger in one of the larger MI cities and there were still plenty of clorox wipe containers, bottles of hand sanitizer and toilet paper available

 

[Red Squirrel]

All our stock got sent to Japan, hopefully we have no cases here lol. I bet the only place that even manufactures that stuff is... China. So it's not like we can just make more. That's what happens when we put all our eggs in one basket.

 

[Scarpozzi]

Not around here. I heard about shortages but I was at Sam's club and Kroger in one of the larger MI cities and there were still plenty of clorox wipe containers, bottles of hand sanitizer and toilet paper available

P&G said the other day that they weren't getting shipments of chemicals (I assume) that are required for manufacturing Bounty paper towels. I can see JIT logistics and the Chinese work stoppage affecting the supply chain in fairly short order for particular products and brands.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Honestly I'm glad in general that I just keep an emergency stock of everything by default.

I always keep a good supply of TP.
I always keep a good supply of Paper towels
I always keep a good supply of bottled water.


Therefore, I don't have to ever over-react to this type of stuff and go to a Costco and fill 3 carts of this stuff.

 

[dasherHampton]

I don't know why people stock up on ridiculous amounts of toilet paper.

Why couldn't you just use a soft washcloth if you run out? I imagine your ass would feel like a million bucks after a few days of being cleaned with warm water and soap after every dump.

 

[mrblotto]

North Carolina's 1st coronavirus case linked to Seattle outbreak

On March 3, 2020, Gov. Roy Cooper said a man in Wake County tested positive for coronavirus. It was North Carolina's first case of the new illness.

wr.al

Person was in Seattle and “...was exposed to a long term care facility that has had numerous cases of coronavirus....”

“...The Wake County patient travelled through RDU International airport on Feb 22nd....”

Sigh, was only a matter of time I reckon

 

[feralkid]

Trump is going to hold rallies despite Coronavirus scare. Wow. I would not be going to anywhere that has a lot of people.

Trump defends holding campaign rallies even as coronavirus spreads

President Donald Trump said Monday he thinks it's "very safe" to continue hosting crowded campaign rallies around the country even as his administration contends with a growing outbreak of coronavirus in the United States.

www.cnn.com

Shhh.

 

[Dari]

Anyone find it interesting that this virus came about in November/December? I say this because Wuhan hosted the Military World Games in late October. Nothing like having a bunch of soldiers from all over the world competing in various sports. You know there will be spies amongst them, up to no good. Not saying the games and the coronavirus are related but, damn, so many coincidences when it comes to such a nasty virulent virus coming from a place with China's only bioweapons lab that also happened to host the Olympics games for soldiers. Food for thought...

 

[Dari]

Shhh.

Yet you're quiet on all the various Democratic primary rallies that have been happening...

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

One microbit of good news. The Fed cut rates by a half a point which means my adjustable rate loan will drop next month.

 

[Ken g6]

Latest death rate is 3.4%.

WHO says coronavirus death rate is 3.4% globally, higher than previously thought

World health officials say the death rate for COVID-19 is 3.4% globally, higher than previous estimates of about 2%.

www.cnbc.com

 

[feralkid]

True, but 400w is not much when it's only producing about 5 hours a day. I would love to be able to actually switch the house to solar but I don't have the room for a proper setup. Hydro is environmentally friendly anyway.

Right, dams have never played any significant role in range contraction nor population decline of any species on Earth, nope, never, nuh-uh.

Still, no doubt less impact than those evil cancer causing "windmills".

 

[feralkid]

Yet you're quiet on all the various Democratic primary rallies that have been happening...

Read the thread title again, then think about why I said "shhh".

 

[randay]

One microbit of good news. The Fed cut rates by a half a point which means my adjustable rate loan will drop next month.

yup, they cut the rates and the market still tanked. influenza aint got shit on the corona virus!

 

[Spacehead]

I've been using this site to check numbers:

Coronavirus Dashboard

Live coronavirus dashboard tracker. See data, maps, social media trends, and learn about prevention measures.

ncov2019.live

Deaths/Confirmed Cases has been 3%+ but i wasn't sure how completely accurate that is given the information - misinformation that's out there. Maybe the WHO is using that after all?

 

[CZroe]

Not saying the games and the coronavirus are related but, damn, so many coincidences when it comes to such a nasty virulent virus coming from a place with China's only bioweapons lab that also happened to host the Olympics games for soldiers. Food for thought...

They were presumably high safety level labs for things like infectious disease research, not bioweapons labs. Then again, China wouldn't be upfront with a bioweapons lab.

There's no reason to assume it was a bioweapon even if it did come from the lab. Labs have accidents. Labs like that are where a human might be exposed to an animal virus in a way that they could catch something that doesn't normally infect humans. Because there are other coronaviruses that already infect humans it only need to happen once for recombination to change the animal virus into a new strain capable of infecting humans.

A human coronavirus and an animal coronavirus (zoonotic) infect the same cells which start spitting out all kinds of copies that are genetic mixes of the two. One of those copies can be mostly the zoonotic one that we have no resistance to only now it gained the traits needed to infect humans directly. That person goes out and-BOOM! New pandemic.

That's how it worked for SARS, Swine Flu, MERS, Bird Flu, Spanish Flu, etc. As it spreads recombination with other endemic human coronaviruses (remember: it's always been responsible for a third of human colds) and random mutations can change it enough that it becomes a new strain able to re-infect people who have already had the previous strain. This is why influenza is seasonal and can't be cured with a vaccine. You will be immune to a few strains but it will mutate and recombine with other influenzas (including animal influenzas) and there will be new strains it doesn't cover next year.

There's still hope we can make a vaccine for this strain of coronavirus fast enough to stop it from becoming endemic like the flu.

 

[Roger Wilco]

Latest death rate is 3.4%.

WHO says coronavirus death rate is 3.4% globally, higher than previously thought

World health officials say the death rate for COVID-19 is 3.4% globally, higher than previous estimates of about 2%.

www.cnbc.com

It seems they are just quoting the confirmed cases, which seems a bit presumptuous. Take the United States, for example. We have just over 113 confirmed cases and 9 deaths out of those cases. At face value, that gives the United States an 8% death rate. However, we all know the number of cases is much higher; they just haven't been confirmed yet due to botched CDC tests, and there are likley many people who either feel nothing or think they have a simple cold.

This seems like a dangerously premature and inflammatory thing for the WHO to say when mitigating panic is important.

 

[CZroe]

Latest death rate is 3.4%.

WHO says coronavirus death rate is 3.4% globally, higher than previously thought

World health officials say the death rate for COVID-19 is 3.4% globally, higher than previous estimates of about 2%.

www.cnbc.com

It seems they are just quoting the confirmed cases, which seems a bit presumptuous. Take the United States, for example. We have just over 113 confirmed cases and 9 deaths out of those cases. At face value, that gives the United States an 8% death rate. However, we all know the number of cases is much higher; they just haven't been confirmed yet due to botched CDC tests, and there are likley many people who either feel nothing or think they have a simple cold.

This seems like a dangerously premature and inflammatory thing for the WHO to say when mitigating panic is important.

From the perspective of "COVID-19 is the name of the disease caused by the SARS-CoV-2 virus," the mortality rate for the disease really is close to 3.4% so far. People asymptomatic or with mild-enough symptoms to be undiagnosed may have the virus but don't have the disease. Severe cases do have the disease, and of those about 3.4% so far have died.