NON_POLITICAL China Coronavirus THREAD

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destrekor

Lifer
Nov 18, 2005
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Even if it is a natural virus it could still have been released from a lab. It's far more racist in my opinion to say it was because people are eating bats and such than to say it was an accidental release by someone studying the virus.

*edited out the politics*

There need be no bat consumption for zoonotic transfer.

And remember, it may have nothing to do with bats as a direct source for humans. Remember "Avian influenza" aka "bird flu"? It's unlikely it actually came from birds; IIRC the evidence pointed toward it having arose from a recombination in a pig, as apparently pigs can be infected by both normally human and avian influenza.
As for the eventual zoonotic transfer, not sure about birds but mammals sneeze (to include bats I think) and cough. It's a very very good thing that most viruses cannot spread via zoonotic transfer, not commonly at least.

What's interesting is how often it doesn't appear to happen, but I suspect numerous examples just went nowhere due to not being an advantageous recombination or even mutation(s). Which is to say that zoonotic transfers likely happen more often than we think, we don't actually identify the vast majority of infections. When we get the "common cold" it could be rhinovirus, RSV, various human coronaviruses, and a whole slew of others that can cause varied reactions, from cold-like to death-like. Likely more often are viruses that, after recombination(s) or mutation(s) just.. fizzle, or blend right into the common cold variety of seasonal viruses. Occasionally they'll end up discovering some "new" virus but after enough research conclude it was one that's gone around for generations.
 
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CZroe

Lifer
Jun 24, 2001
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There need be no bat consumption for zoonotic transfer.

And remember, it may have nothing to do with bats as a direct source for humans. Remember "Avian influenza" aka "bird flu"? It's unlikely it actually came from birds; IIRC the evidence pointed toward it having arose from a recombination in a pig, as apparently pigs can be infected by both normally human and avian influenza.
As for the eventual zoonotic transfer, not sure about birds but mammals sneeze (to include bats I think) and cough. It's a very very good thing that most viruses cannot spread via zoonotic transfer, not commonly at least.

What's interesting is how often it doesn't appear to happen, but I suspect numerous examples just went nowhere due to not being an advantageous recombination or even mutation(s). Which is to say that zoonotic transfers likely happen more often than we think, we don't actually identify the vast majority of infections. When we get the "common cold" it could be rhinovirus, RSV, various human coronaviruses, and a whole slew of others that can cause varied reactions, from cold-like to death-like. Likely more often are viruses that, after recombination(s) or mutation(s) just.. fizzle, or blend right into the common cold variety of seasonal viruses. Occasionally they'll end up discovering some "new" virus but after enough research conclude it was one that's gone around for generations.

The thing is, those wet markets are full of live pigs and birds and pangolins and bats... for consumption. They are in much closer proximity to each other and to humans than they ever would be naturally.

Also, the reassortment is just as likely to happen in a person that gets it directly from an animal while also infected with a human virus in which case it is much more likely to gain a trait that allows it to spread person-to-person (human and animal virus infect the same cell; out pops a novel combination of the two).

Works the other way around too... a researcher studying bat coronaviruses could, through handling, accidentally infect the bat with a human coronavirus. That virus reassorts with the bat's coronavirus to give the bat coronavirus just what it needs to spread from person-to-person and, thus, a new human-transmissable bat coronavirus is born.
 
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randay

Lifer
May 30, 2006
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This Yemeni kid seems to think they have confirmed infected and recovered people in Yemen even though Yemen has yet to confirm a single case. Sounds like he can't decide if it's 0% or 1% though and he asks us to write a comment even though comments are turned off.
If you think hes just some know nothing nut job on youtube. you would be wrong!
 

CZroe

Lifer
Jun 24, 2001
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If you think hes just some know nothing nut job on youtube. you would be wrong!
I'm just searching and sorting by upload date to see if I can find anything from Yemen since they have yet to confirm a single case.

 

DrMrLordX

Lifer
Apr 27, 2000
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The FDA put the kibosh on home swabbing for molecular testing I think. Antibody tests should be available soonish as production scales up.

Hope so. By now, if I were infected, the infection would be gone. Hmm, wonder if those tests work on zombies . . .

Nevertheless I stand by what I said.... pretty words beat ugly ones.

See below post by CZroe.

"Watch what they do, not what they say."

If only everyone had taken that advice.

If only!

The CCP's power hinges on controlling the security apparatus and the military, same as in any other dictatorship. The only communism in the CCP is in the name.

Not true at all. The CCP plants party members in every company with more than about 40-50 employees. The want to control EVERYTHING. Capitalism runs in a sandbox. The host OS is communism. It is Maoist communism, rather than Marxist, so they aren't necessarily on board with "to each according to their needs, and from each according to their means", but when the time comes, they have everything on a leash. They can shut down entire businesses or make new ones spring out of nothing. All wealth in their financial system is under their control, directly or indirectly.

Per CDC, about 25% of infected people may have no symptoms.Yike.

Thought it was closer to 50%?

I would love to see him run for president.

Gates2020: Where do you want to go today?

Bill Gates has been a nasty throat-cutter. I wouldn't support him.
 
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FelixDeCat

Lifer
Aug 4, 2000
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Mandatory viewing:

To the people who aren't familiar with Matthew Tye/C-Milk/LaoWhy86, you might see this video and think it's some know-nothing YouTube conspiracy nut jumping on the Coronavirus fear-mongering bandwagon. You'd be wrong.

I've been following him since he was an expatriate motorcycle vlogger living in China and just talking about the scenery and day-to-day life. Due to his friends and family in China he was among the first in the west giving us an inside look at what was really happening in China, telling us back in January that we needed to shame anyone attempting to downplay it in comparison to the flu.

In this video he only discusses what is/was publicly available on the censored Chinese Internet. As you may recall, I posted in this thread about a South China University report that the virus likely came from the lab in Wuhan. That was from an official Chinese source published as academic research. That report is now gone, but you can still read the summary in archive.org:

"We briefly examined the histories of the laboratories and proposed that the coronavirus probably originated from a laboratory."




Original URL (no longer works):
www.researchgate.net/publication/339070128_The_possible_origins_2019-nCoV_coronavirus

Do not believe China's lies.

Lots to digest in this video. The Chinese Government has been doing everything from rounding up and sending Uighars to "re-education camps" without cause for decades, implanting eavesdropping tech into exported electronics, etc, etc. They also censor the internet and deny the Tianaman Square massacre even happened and prevent anyone from learning about it.

So to learn of their extraordinary efforts to coverup COVID19 and its rapid spread in its population while allowing tourism and travel of infected individuals to and from the region is not unexpected.

If they dont permanently shut down wet markets and exotic animal trade, we already know the consequences.
 
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Mai72

Lifer
Sep 12, 2012
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Just read that Fauci is recieving death threats.

Don't hate the messenger. He's only doing his job. People are idiots.
 

Mai72

Lifer
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FelixDeCat

Lifer
Aug 4, 2000
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I posted earlier in this thread that undercover investigations of the unsanitary conditions of animal markets across Asia where animals like bats, snakes and pangolins are considered a delicacy has been exposed to an uninterested public for quite some time now. Maybe the world will start to pay attention now.

One city starts to clamp down:

China's Shenzhen bans the eating of cats and dogs after coronavirus


 

pmv

Lifer
May 30, 2008
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Not true at all. The CCP plants party members in every company with more than about 40-50 employees. The want to control EVERYTHING. Capitalism runs in a sandbox. The host OS is communism. It is Maoist communism, rather than Marxist, so they aren't necessarily on board with "to each according to their needs, and from each according to their means", but when the time comes, they have everything on a leash. They can shut down entire businesses or make new ones spring out of nothing. All wealth in their financial system is under their control, directly or indirectly.


I entirely disagree. China ceased to be Maoist under Deng. You could _maybe_ argue some bits of communism continued, but those were precisely the features of it that Maoism specifically was all about destroying (though as it happened the cure - the cultural revolution - was worse than the disease). What's left is the ossified party bureaucracy, but with a capitalist, arguably corporatist, economic system. The defining feature of Maoism was a desire to destroy that bureaucracy, instead it's come back, but minus the communism.

The system that it's evolved into is closer to fascism than communism, there's little communist about it and _nothing_ Maoist.
 

DrMrLordX

Lifer
Apr 27, 2000
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I entirely disagree. China ceased to be Maoist under Deng. You could _maybe_ argue some bits of communism continued, but those were precisely the features of it that Maoism specifically was all about destroying (though as it happened the cure - the cultural revolution - was worse than the disease). What's left is the ossified party bureaucracy, but with a capitalist, arguably corporatist, economic system. The defining feature of Maoism was a desire to destroy that bureaucracy, instead it's come back, but minus the communism.

The system that it's evolved into is closer to fascism than communism, there's little communist about it and _nothing_ Maoist.

If you say so. There's nothing corporatist about having party members monitoring (and often controlling) corporate boards.
 

shortylickens

No Lifer
Jul 15, 2003
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According to the late show, Ryan Reynolds has donated at least 1.4 million dollars of his own money to food banks and hospitals. His gin company has also made donations.
 
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mopardude87

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Oct 22, 2018
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According to the late show, Ryan Reynolds has donated at least 1.4 million dollars of his own money to food banks and hospitals. His gin company has also made donations.

Things like that are the reason i love that dude as more then a actor, him being in Dead Pool yeah talk about a career saver. When a guy can make fun of himself, that's someone worth my respect. If you seen last Deadpool, there is post credit scene no spoilers but yeah beyond a riot.
 

allisolm

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Jan 2, 2001
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dasherHampton

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Jan 19, 2018
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People are taking social distancing seriously where I live and it seems to be effective. Hardly any cases.

Its like a ghost town. The only thing missing is the occasional tumbleweed.
 

Ichinisan

Lifer
Oct 9, 2002
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Lots to digest in this video. The Chinese Government has been doing everything from rounding up and sending Uighars to "re-education camps" without cause for decades, implanting eavesdropping tech into exported electronics, etc, etc. They also censor the internet and deny the Tianaman Square massacre even happened and prevent anyone from learning about it.

So to learn of their extraordinary efforts to coverup COVID19 and its rapid spread in its population while allowing tourism and travel of infected individuals to and from the region is not unexpected.

If they dont permanently shut down wet markets and exotic animal trade, we already know the consequences.
They don't just "round up" Uyghurs.


They harvest the organs of Uyghurs. Probably also certain prisoners. Possibly also some political dissidents.

It's why you can get a lung transplant in 2 days instead of 5+ years, long before there was any coordinated system for organ donation.
 

K1052

Elite Member
Aug 21, 2003
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Here is a really good representation of how boned much of the South is because they don't take this seriously.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive...tion=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage

Last week, Gov. Kay Ivey of Alabama resisted issuing a stay-at-home order as the outbreak appeared more acute and immediate in other states. “We are not California,” she said. “We're not New York. We aren't even Louisiana.”

I'm curious what sort of special immunity these people think their locality has to a virus. I don't think it asks for a zip code before infecting you.
 

Greenman

Lifer
Oct 15, 1999
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I dont know any 40-60 year olds who dont have some sort of underlying health issue. I wish people would stop victim shaming the dead and using it as a crutch for their own anxiety. These are just normal people with normal health problems.
The vast majority of 40 to 60 year olds I know have no underlying health problems.
 
Nov 8, 2012
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Things like that are the reason i love that dude as more then a actor, him being in Dead Pool yeah talk about a career saver. When a guy can make fun of himself, that's someone worth my respect. If you seen last Deadpool, there is post credit scene no spoilers but yeah beyond a riot.

I just like people who put their money where their mouth is.

Instead of opening their mouth and releasing a bunch of shit in the form of a song that talks about having no possessions while living in McMansions.
 

Muse

Lifer
Jul 11, 2001
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once again, are we supposed to act at every prediction that is made? it such a simple question and yet no can seem to answer it...

and also the title of this thread clearly state NON POLITICAL and people cant seem to follow that simple rule either...
As has been noted, it's impossible to remove the political from the epidemiological aspects of this pandemic. And your statement above: "are we supposed to act at every prediction that is made?" WTF have you been doing with your life? The end credits of Contagion stated for all to see "It's not a question of if but when." I knew it. You blew it off. Now who's right? Who was right to be prepared? Who fucked up by not being prepared? Our so called POTUS for one.
 
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