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jpiniero

Lifer
Oct 1, 2010
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Masks don't hurt businesses and drastically reduce spread.

But keeping business shut down does. Ultimately it may end up that the two will be tied together. We're really not that far off from the vaccine being able to everyone.

Texas btw is 17.2% for one shot 18+. Still low but it's not as bad you made it out to be. Most states are high teens to low 20s.
 

Zorba

Lifer
Oct 22, 1999
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But keeping business shut down does. Ultimately it may end up that the two will be tied together. We're really not that far off from the vaccine being able to everyone.

Texas btw is 17.2% for one shot 18+. Still low but it's not as bad you made it out to be. Most states are high teens to low 20s.
In 2 months we went from 50,000 cases a day to 250,000 cases a day with 4,000 people a day dying, literally a few month ago. What businesses were actually shut down in Texas? Mask mandates would help all businesses stay open. Meanwhile, we are at least 4 months away from adults being fully vaccinated, and much further away, maybe a year from fully vaccinating kids.

I posted CDC numbers for the entire state population, because Sub-18 year-old can catch and spread COVID: https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccinations
 

jpiniero

Lifer
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Meanwhile, we are at least 4 months away from adults being fully vaccinated, and much further away

4 months? Biden says we will have vaccines available to everyone by May. And that's assuming that everyone will take the vaccine, it should be pretty easily accessible in April.
 

K1052

Elite Member
Aug 21, 2003
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But keeping business shut down does. Ultimately it may end up that the two will be tied together. We're really not that far off from the vaccine being able to everyone.

Why do people keep saying things are closed here? Everything is open if capacity restricted.
 
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Torn Mind

Lifer
Nov 25, 2012
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4 months? Biden says we will have vaccines available to everyone by May. And that's assuming that everyone will take the vaccine, it should be pretty easily accessible in April.
Biden's job is to massage the public's mind while there's some supply side issues going on.

He's bringing the vanilla to the press so no one knows pays attention to the fact the suppliers are constrained to meet demand.
 

Zorba

Lifer
Oct 22, 1999
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4 months? Biden says we will have vaccines available to everyone by May. And that's assuming that everyone will take the vaccine, it should be pretty easily accessible in April.
Biden said end of May, that is 3 months from today. There will be a lag time from manufacturing to injection, and then need two doses spaced about a month out. So end of June is still optimistic and it doesn't include a single person less than 16.

Masks should be required until local spread is significantly reduced, which will hopefully happen by May.
 
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JujuFish

Lifer
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4 months? Biden says we will have vaccines available to everyone by May. And that's assuming that everyone will take the vaccine, it should be pretty easily accessible in April.
No, Biden says we will have manufactured enough vaccines to cover everyone by the end of May. That doesn't account for distribution and application.
 
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manly

Lifer
Jan 25, 2000
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The number of new cases in California is back down to pre-surge levels, or even June 2020 levels, and number of % positives are reaching new lows.

To me it is truly starting to feel like this might be over very soon. These new variants aren't really blowing anything up anywhere in US and they've been circulating for at least 2 months now.
I think it's a little premature to be spiking the football and pouring Gatorade on the head coach. The recent trends are highly encouraging, but health experts aren't thrilled about the nation plateauing at 60k daily cases. Only time will tell if we'll dodge a 4th wave.

This is at least the third time certain governors have declared victory. Since the first time more than 400,000 people have died (likely more like 700,000 but states are lying).

Removing the mask mandate is just stupid at this point, especially in 4th worst state for vaccinations. Not sure what other restrictions Texas had, guessing not many. And of course spring breaks start next week, so likely see a lot of togetherness from non-vaccinated people.
I agree with you in principle, but to play Devil's advocate, hasn't Florida been pretty lax about social distancing for months now? Shouldn't their infections and mortality be noticeably higher compared to other populous states if public health policy was the dominant factor? As mentioned above, Austiners will be pretty good about mask-wearing, mandate or no mandate. While Gov. Abbott is being a dumb ass in perpetuating masking as a culture war issue, he might get lucky as Ron DeSantis has been.
 

Zorba

Lifer
Oct 22, 1999
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I think it's a little premature to be spiking the football and pouring Gatorade on the head coach. The recent trends are highly encouraging, but health experts aren't thrilled about the nation plateauing at 60k daily cases. Only time will tell if we'll dodge a 4th wave.


I agree with you in principle, but to play Devil's advocate, hasn't Florida been pretty lax about social distancing for months now? Shouldn't their infections and mortality be noticeably higher compared to other populous states if public health policy was the dominant factor? As mentioned above, Austiners will be pretty good about mask-wearing, mandate or no mandate. While Gov. Abbott is being a dumb ass in perpetuating masking as a culture war issue, he might get lucky as Ron DeSantis has been.
I think all the major population areas in Florida have mask mandates. The Dakotas and had massive outbreak.

Masking is incredibly cheap and easy, with lots of evidence supporting it's benefits. I see no reason to abandon it in the bottom of the 7th.
 
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K1052

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New HHS orders came down that direct states to open vaccine availability to teachers and child care workers. Some states has prioritized this but some had not.
 

manly

Lifer
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I think all the major population areas in Florida have mask mandates. The Dakotas and had massive outbreak.

Masking is incredibly cheap and easy, with lots of evidence supporting it's benefits. I see no reason to abandon it in the bottom of the 7th.
Re: Florida, they've allowed restaurants and bars to have normal operations since late September? Despite voluntary (or mandatory) mask compliance, I'm a little surprised their per-capita outcomes haven't been more like the Dakotas. Hence why I suggested that DeSantis simply has been lucky.

Like I said, I completely agree with you. My point is that as much as it's too soon to declare "Mission accomplished" and move life back to normal, I also wouldn't presume Abbott has just condemned Texans to a 4th wave of Covid-19 (U.S. 4th wave, Texas' 3rd). Strangely enough, their trough in new cases was two weeks back and it's nearly doubled since then.
 

Svnla

Lifer
Nov 10, 2003
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Friends in Japan are saying the organizers of the Olympics could ban foreign spectators or even local spectators to ensure the already delay event could go on. Not looking good financially.
 

Zorba

Lifer
Oct 22, 1999
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Re: Florida, they've allowed restaurants and bars to have normal operations since late September? Despite voluntary (or mandatory) mask compliance, I'm a little surprised their per-capita outcomes haven't been more like the Dakotas. Hence why I suggested that DeSantis simply has been lucky.

Like I said, I completely agree with you. My point is that as much as it's too soon to declare "Mission accomplished" and move life back to normal, I also wouldn't presume Abbott has just condemned Texans to a 4th wave of Covid-19 (U.S. 4th wave, Texas' 3rd). Strangely enough, their trough in new cases was two weeks back and it's nearly doubled since then.
Yeah. I don't know how Florida hasn't been hit harder. I'm sure the nice weather and more outdoor facilities has helped a lot.
 

Zorba

Lifer
Oct 22, 1999
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Friends in Japan are saying the organizers of the Olympics could ban foreign spectators or even local spectators to ensure the already delay event could go on. Not looking good financially.
Yeah, I've thought they would do that. No fans, no extra people. Maybe vaccinate coaches and athletes. Make the IOC share much more of the TV money, "give us 50% or we cancel."
 

Red Squirrel

No Lifer
May 24, 2003
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The thing that might happen too is it will probably be near impossible to watch it as they will probably black out mostly everything. They tend to be pretty stingy in general about video footage but it will probably be worse as they may not allow TV networks to stream online and what not. I have a feeling even the upcoming winter ones may be in trouble, as those would be in 2022 right? I don't have too much confidence things will be back to normal by then, it will be better, but still not 100%.
 

jpiniero

Lifer
Oct 1, 2010
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Why do people keep saying things are closed here? Everything is open if capacity restricted.

It sounded like there was stuff that was closed that this order would reopen. If you're really upset about it, just get the vaccine and you're all good.

Alabama just announced they are extending their mask ban to April 9th but it won't be extended.
 

Ajay

Lifer
Jan 8, 2001
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If you're really upset about it, just get the vaccine and you're all good.
So, I take it you haven't been keeping up on current events. That's okay, but if you don't; please don't bother to say stuff like this.
Getting vaccines out to everybody is still very much a work in progress. One cannot just 'get' the vaccine. There are procedures in place on who can get the vaccine when (unless Texas has thrown those guidelines out as well).
 
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One cannot just 'get' the vaccine. There are procedures in place on who can get the vaccine when (unless Texas has thrown those guidelines out as well).

I'm not aware of anyone being asked for actual proof of their categorization/condition. I've been finding and scheduling appointments for others for about a month now and the most anyone had to do was verbally confirm. Vast majority of the time, nothing was asked. Otherwise, the only things stopping someone from grabbing an appointment is their moral compass and the honor system.

It also partly depends on what type of clinic is distributing, e.g. county-level public health service vs private practice.

I'm in Central Texas.
 

rstrohkirch

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May 31, 2005
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I'm not aware of anyone being asked for actual proof of their categorization/condition. I've been finding and scheduling appointments for others for about a month now and the most anyone had to do was verbally confirm. Vast majority of the time, nothing was asked. Otherwise, the only things stopping someone from grabbing an appointment is their moral compass and the honor system.

It also partly depends on what type of clinic is distributing, e.g. county-level public health service vs private practice.

I'm in Central Texas.

I'm going to agree with this. For the most part, if you signed up for a specific phase there has been no validation tied to that when you showed up for your shot. I will say that last week in the tiny town I work in, they had a 55+ clinic at the school and they did check IDs there.
 
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I'm going to agree with this. For the most part, if you signed up for a specific phase there has been no validation tied to that when you showed up for your shot. I will say that last week in the tiny town I work in, they had a 55+ clinic at the school and they did check IDs there.

I just saw a report on our local vaccine-tracking Slack that Wally World requires proof if you register under the teacher and healthcare worker provisions (e.g. badge or license), and for your PCP otherwise... though that sounds like major hassle and ultimately a waste of time. Not sure if there are any HIPAA/privacy-related implications, either.

When I got my doses I only had to show them my confirmation emails, they didn't even verify if the appointment was for the person presenting the email.
 
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