Aren't these college students? They're priority should be on their studies, not football. Education first, games second. A very, very distant second. Probably 3rd or 4th.
"Amateur football player." I thought they were already being paid enough? Doesn't that make them professionals?
All those one and done basketball players certainly would be making millions of dollars instead of tuition if the NBA and the NCAA didn't collude together and ban high school players from entering after high school. Are you really this much of a fucking idiot?
If there wasn't a corrupt cartel called NCAA football, someone would gladly fill that vacuum. The NCAA is a huge parasite that steals the wages of players.
The 60 highest-paid FBS football coaches averaged more than $2 million in total compensation, according to the report, with big guns like Alabama's Nick Saban and Texas' Mack Brown earning an estimated $6 million and $5.1 million, respectively. The 25 highest-paid basketball coaches in the 2011 NCAA tournament averaged about $2.4 million, with Rick Pitino of Louisville taking home a compensation package of $7.5 million.
... "Our findings continue to unmask the pretense that big-time college sport is about 'kids' playing 'games.' Big-time college sport is about big business. The mythology of the 'student-athlete' as promoted by the NCAA is revealed to cover up a system of inequities in compensation and treatment for the athletes who make the most sacrifices and contribute the most to the enterprise."
Well, I'm not as much of a fucking idiot as you, but that's impossible.
You think they're being FORCED to play. Please explain in detail what method is being used. Are they held in chains? Parents in labor camps? Blackmailed with incriminating photos of them molesting sheep?
You think they are being paid below market value. I asked you what the market value of a football player is and you childishly ducked the question resorting to pathetic namecalling instead. So let's ask again: What is the "market value" of a football player not good enough to make the NFL or CFL which less than 1% of college players will achieve? This is a free market economy, no organization on earth requires a college degree to be hired as a football player. Who is stepping up to pay these guys if they CHOOSE to not turn into slaves for the NCAA? And how much are they paying? C'mon, back up your own words, you said it, man up and own the idiocy. Cite the market value of a football player than is not good enough to go pro. BTW, the Arena League salary is about $400 a game. Not $400 a week, $400 a game. Are they worth more than college players or less? Is a college player going to turn in his $60,000 a year scholarship for a $4,800 pay at $400 a game? Take your time, think it through, then see if you can figure out who the idiot is in this conversation.
Maybe the players should start a player-owned alternate major league to be a developmental NFL league since the NFL has no incentive to create a minor league with how robust the NCAA college football is.
Nobody is being forced to play college football, but its the best path to the NFL so the NCAA is able to set the rules. The NFL draft requirements is 3 years out of high school, there is technically no college requirement, so they are free to do whatever with those 3 years.
Maybe the players should start a player-owned alternate major league to be a developmental NFL league since the NFL has no incentive to create a minor league with how robust the NCAA college football is.
Nobody is being forced to play college football, but its the best path to the NFL so the NCAA is able to set the rules. The NFL draft requirements is 3 years out of high school, there is technically no college requirement, so they are free to do whatever with those 3 years.
Schooled: The Price of College Sports
please watch this if you have netflix or maybe on youtube
Fine, treat the players as employees. Remove ALL scholarships for football and let the players pay their own way for tuition, room & board, books, fees, etc. Then give them profit sharing. See how greedy they are for their slice of the pie when they find out there is no pie. Those free rides will start looking REALLY good.
From Northwestern's site:
Total undergraduate tuition, fees, room and board at Northwestern will increase 4 percent to $59,389 in 2013-2014 from the current years $57,108.
A football scholarship is worth a freaking quarter of a million dollars. Take it and shut up or pay your own way.
Okay, what is the market value for an amateur football player? Who is willing to pay them to play? For the overwhelming majority of them the NFL and CFL wouldn't pay them a dime, so their market value is ZERO. And how are they being FORCED to do anything? Most guys try out and work their asses off to be ALLOWED to play.
Aren't these college students? They're priority should be on their studies, not football. Education first, games second. A very, very distant second. Probably 3rd or 4th.
Well, I'm not as much of a fucking idiot as you, but that's impossible.
You think they're being FORCED to play. Please explain in detail what method is being used. Are they held in chains? Parents in labor camps? Blackmailed with incriminating photos of them molesting sheep?
You think they are being paid below market value. I asked you what the market value of a football player is and you childishly ducked the question resorting to pathetic namecalling instead. So let's ask again: What is the "market value" of a football player not good enough to make the NFL or CFL which less than 1% of college players will achieve? This is a free market economy, no organization on earth requires a college degree to be hired as a football player. Who is stepping up to pay these guys if they CHOOSE to not turn into slaves for the NCAA? And how much are they paying? C'mon, back up your own words, you said it, man up and own the idiocy. Cite the market value of a football player than is not good enough to go pro. BTW, the Arena League salary is about $400 a game. Not $400 a week, $400 a game. Are they worth more than college players or less? Is a college player going to turn in his $60,000 a year scholarship for a $4,800 pay at $400 a game? Take your time, think it through, then see if you can figure out who the idiot is in this conversation.
Maybe the players should start a player-owned alternate major league to be a developmental NFL league since the NFL has no incentive to create a minor league with how robust the NCAA college football is.
Nobody is being forced to play college football, but its the best path to the NFL so the NCAA is able to set the rules. The NFL draft requirements is 3 years out of high school, there is technically no college requirement, so they are free to do whatever with those 3 years.
The guys are not student athletes. Most of them never go to class, and never finish their degree.
Suppose a D1 football program brings in $10m profits for the school. Are you suggesting in this case there is no market value for the 50 players that make up the team? Or that their tuition should automatically be considered compensation for their market value? The branding alone is often worth atleast in the millions each year, as it makes the school more popular to go to and also increases alumni donations.
What is the market value of the players and what is the market value of the uniforms? That's the branding that's important, the players are not the brand, the school is.
The market value in the real world economy is what someone is willing to pay for a good or service. Who is willing to pay these guys and how much? That's the part you and the others can't quite seem to answer. The NFL won't pay them. The CFL won't pay them. Even the Arena League would turn down the vast majority of them. And while you toss around hypothetical numbers of hypothetical profits, the reality is that 90% of football programs are losing money, so they can't pay either. So what is the market value of a person that nobody wants to hire or could hire for pay?
Only applies to private colleges. Just remove any of those from the FBS system and play on. I personally don't give a shit if Northwestern ever plays football again much less attends a NCAA bowl game. Add a new bylaw to the NCAA charter: "Any team represented by a union is ineligible to participate in the NCAA."
The guys are not student athletes. Most of them never go to class, and never finish their degree.
Suurre the school is all that matters. They is why specific jersey numbers are marketed more than others. It is called likeness. And one of the lawsuits that initiated the whole pay for play movement. EA has stopped making NCAA for the time being because they had their ass handed to them in court regarding making a game with player numbers that were a striking likeness to the real players. But according to you the name of the school in NCAA football is why EA makes the rosters like they do.
Suuuuureeeee, the players are important. That's why everyone stopped going to Alabama games when Joe Namath left. And why Texas lost their TV ratings when Ricky Sanders graduated. And why Michigan attendance has dropped from 100,000 a game to 100,000 a game for 40 years straight as new guys put on the helmets every year.
EA Sports used likenesses for realism. You think people were buying that game because they wanted to play as the 3rd platoon outside linebacker for Northwestern?
What is the market value of the players and what is the market value of the uniforms? That's the branding that's important, the players are not the brand, the school is.
The market value in the real world economy is what someone is willing to pay for a good or service. Who is willing to pay these guys and how much? That's the part you and the others can't quite seem to answer. The NFL won't pay them. The CFL won't pay them. Even the Arena League would turn down the vast majority of them. And while you toss around hypothetical numbers of hypothetical profits, the reality is that 90% of football programs are losing money, so they can't pay either. So what is the market value of a person that nobody wants to hire or could hire for pay?