Northwood 1.6a, any OC difference between Malay or Costa Rica? Updated-Some Early Conclusions

[Dug]

SubfornicalOrgan- How did you talk CDW into letting that board go for $80. Nobody else could.

 

[SubfornicalOrgan]

Dug, I authorized a charge of $80+~$10 shipping and they sent me the board but charged me $200+ without my authorization. That is illegal and I confronted them. They told me the price changed and they forgot to ask me if I accepted the new price. They also told me that the motherboard was nonreturnable and I would have to pay the $200+. Several phone calls later, including one to my CC company and one to my lawyer, they refunded the amount they overcharged. -SFO

 

[iahk]

You are the man!

 

[Flatbroke]

SubfornicalOrgan, what was the FPO/Batch number of your chip? Thanks.

 

[SubfornicalOrgan]

The FPO/Batch# is 3147A682.

I'm now stable at 16 x 160 = 2.56GHz @ 1.7V and 40 deg C (idle) w/ retail heatsink and thermal pad.

wcpuid screenshot
SiSoft Sandra screenshot

I think it may be able to go a bit higher than 160MHz--maybe even 166MHz--but I doubt I'll push it any further. Btw, I'm using a 256MB stick of PC2100 from Crucial. SiSoft screenshot

 

[joesixpack64]

This thread has gotten off track.
Is it worth to try to get a malaysian chip or a costa rican chip or a specific batch number?

 

[Flatbroke]

You asked for a direct answer, in my opinion, a Malay has a better chance of hitting 2.4gig. (no scientific reason, just been watching the posts which are mostly about Malays, and watching overclockers.com database). I can't go past 16x140 @ 1.65v, or 2.240gig with my CR, but too many variables in MB, ram, ps, etc. to give you a definite answer like we could with 300a's, from way back when.

 

[manko]

joe, I just got mine in from googlegear this week. So far, I haven't seen one from googlegear that is not Malay. (No guarantees from me, though.)

From what I have read, the CRs tend to do 2.1 - 2.3, while the Malay's seem to do 2.2 - 2.4. Yes, there are cases of extreme overclocks beyond those numbers for both versions of the chips.

The way I made my decision: Ask yourself, "Is there any reason NOT to get a Malaysian chip, if you can?"

The answer is... no.

My label says:

Googlegear (ordered 2/15, shipped 2/19) $141
1.6A
SL Code: SL668
FPO/Batch: L147B212
Pack Date: 01/16/2002
Malaysia


EDIT: ...and at least on my retail box, there is a sticker on the outside of the package which clearly says "Made In Malaysia" (along with the date and all the other info). So, if you call up one of these places (if they're willing), they can just look on the sealed box and tell if it's Malay or CR. They don't have to open the package to check the actual chip.

 

[Cheapparts4u]

You guys suck Making me want a woody

Just ordered my setup today, should have it sat. used fedex 2nd day

Ordered the 1.6a retail
ASUS P4B266-C


This will go with my crucial 256MB 2100 that Ive already ran at 160fsb on an amd platform, as well as a High Power 400W PSU. WIll post back here then with results from my O/C..hope to be getting what some of you are

 

[joesixpack64]

Manko, you make a good point. It sort of reminds me of the Europa question- can you imagine an ocean of liquid water that has existed for 5 billion years- and not have life in it?

I can't think of a reason not to get a malaysian 1.6a, except price. Atacom has malaysians for $165- 10 bucks more than their regular price for the retail chip. They will also sell a 1.6a pre-tested to do 2.1 for $199. That sounds like a waste of money to me- they all do 2.1.

I'm going for googlegear at $141.

 

[2hotP3s]

Here's my info:

I got mine from GoogleGear

CPU: 1.6A @ 2.4GHz
Voltage: 1.625v (auto)
Cooler: AVC Sunflower with AS2 (Lapped copper core flush with aluminum.)
SL Code: SL688
Fpo/Batch: 3147A682
Location: Costa Rica
Pack Date: 1/31/2002
Motherboard: ASUS P4B266
FSB: 150MHz
Memory: 512MB Corsair XMS 2400 (PC 2400, CAS 2)

System posts at and runs WinXP and Quake3 at 150MHz FSB (2.4GHz) with default voltage. It crashed while shutting down Q3. I will try cranking up the voltage...
Ill get temps and prime tests when I get the software...

-2hot.

...Ill still have my 2 hot P3s in my other box though


Edit : Here is my experience with my CR 1.6A


133 FSB 1.55V 2.1GHz Stable
140 FSB 1.625V 2.2GHz Stable
150 FSB 1.65V 2.4GHz Stable (I am at this speed as I write this )
155 FSB 1.65V 2.47GHz Stable
158FSB 1.675V 2.52GHz Boots into WinXP, but unstable
160FSB 1.675V 2.57GHz Unstable

UPDATE: After 1 day at 1.65V @2400MHz, I lowered to 1.62V and still stable, (running Prime95 and 3DMark2001SE simultaneously without a problem).

I may be able to achieve more stability by upping the voltage to 1.7V,
but I'm reluctant to do so for extended periods of time.

 

[DanTana]

I have a TH7-II RAID, w/1.6a @ 140mhz so far, with stock hsf. It was a retail box cpu SL668 Costa Rica, A709 I believe? Voltage is at 1.65 listed, but reporting 1.55? I ran 3dMark2001 SE several times without a hitch, 145 seems to be unstable. I need more voltage and a better hsf before I can go farther but I think this chip will. Also, ATI Radeon 8500, 2 60gig IBM 7200rpm drives on RAID 0, 2 Corsair 256meg high density RDRAM chips. Who has a link for the pin mod for the P4's? It's suppose to be good for about .5 volts.

 

[ShoNuff]

Is anybody out there overclocking the 1.6A using the P4T-E? So far no one in this thread has mentioned that board. Mine will be here tomorrow. We will see how it goes...

 

[manko]

<< Here's my info:

I got mine from GoogleGear

CPU: 1.6A @ 2.399GHz
Location: Costa Rica
>>

Well, there goes my theory about Googlegear having Malay's...(I just got lucky, I guess.)

<< Yup, paying $199 for a 1.6A pre-tested to do 2.1 is like walking up to a trash can and throwing away $50. >>

I would almost say the same thing about the 1.8A.

 

[Link]

<< You guys suck Making me want a woody

Just ordered my setup today, should have it sat. used fedex 2nd day

Ordered the 1.6a retail
ASUS P4B266-C


This will go with my crucial 256MB 2100 that Ive already ran at 160fsb on an amd platform, as well as a High Power 400W PSU. WIll post back here then with results from my O/C..hope to be getting what some of you are >>



Oh no..... not P4B266-C. It only comes with USB 1.1 and it has problem under high FSB.

 

[Flatbroke]

DanTana, Voltage is at 1.65 listed, but reporting 1.55? What are you using to read voltage besides bios? This has never been reported before. I have the same chip, the only thing about our setups that are the same. I can do 140fsb at 1.65v, no higher.

 

[DanTana]

Flatbroke, I set the voltage to 1.65v in the BIOS, but the Hardware Monitor reports 1.55v? At least what I saw then, I will double check when I get home from work.

 

[Cheapparts4u]

<<
Oh no..... not P4B266-C. It only comes with USB 1.1 and it has problem under high FSB. >>




So I've heard, but some people seem to be getting around that 150FSB mark without a hitch, few are getting much higher, so I'd be surprised if I did.

 

[Nate420]

Story:

I got my 1.6A and P4B266 from googlegear yesterday. I removed the thermal pad with a credit card and some Goof Off, then went over it with Alcohol(it was very clean, shinning even). Wrapped a piece of suran wrap around my finger, put a pile of AS3 on the HS and rubbed it in real well. Wiped over the HS with a clean towel. I wiped off the top of the heat spreader with alcohol also. I put a little pile of AS3 on the heat spreader and spread it around with the edge of a credit card till it was totaly covered and even thickness. Put the HS down onto the CPU and latched it down. Retail HSF by the way.

Does that sound like the correct process to you guys? The last few PCs I've buit, I bought the mobo and cpu as a combo and they came pre-installed, so this was a first for me. The latches on the HS were pretty stiff to push to lock, but it looked like everything was in place. I held the mobo up and looked at it from the end, and the PCB had actually bent a tiny bit from the HSF pressure on the CPU. Is that normal? I just have to wonder if maybe I did something wrong, cause MBM5 reports 23C Mobo, BUT 42C idle @ 2.13G and 1.5V. Asus PC Probe won't come off of 40C. Using Sandra 2002 Pro's burn-in, I ran the CPU, Multi Media CPU, and Mem benchmarks 5 loops and ended up at 24C/48C. Should I take the HSF off and reinstall? Maybe use more AS3 on the CPU this time?

Total System...

Asus P4B266
P4 1.6A @ 2.13, 1.5V (Costa Rica SL668, 3147A682)
256Mb Crucial PC2100 @ 1.6V (Thermaltake Active cooler 5000RPM)
2x IBM 40G 7200
Asus 52X CDROM
Lite-On 32x12x40
Gainward G3 @ 220/500 (stock HSF)
SB Live! X-Gamer 5.1
USR 56K
SMC 10/100 NIC
Antec SX830 Tower, 4 80MM 2700rpm case fans (2 in, 2 out)

 

[Nate420]

^^BUMP^^

 

[Dug]

<< Oh no..... not P4B266-C. It only comes with USB 1.1 and it has problem under high FSB >>


Got any proof?

I started mine at 133 to burn it in. I'm at 145fsb right now with absolutely no problems.

 

[RalfHutter]

Nate420 - You did the AS3 correctly.

The P4b266 temp thing is normal also. The Asus Probe is stuck on 40C all the time. MBM5 has two possible sensors to use for the CPU temp. The one called "Asus 2" reads about 10-14C LOWER than the one called "Asus 2 (CUSL2)". I really don't know which one is right. I've thrown this topic out in about 5 different forums and haven't got a satisfactory answer from anyone yet. My idle temps (1.8A running at 2.25Ghz, P4b266, ASII, Retail HSF, Antec SX1040) are inthe low 40C range using the "CUSL2" sensor and it the high 20's using the "Asus 2" sensor. I wouldn't worry about redoing your HSF install, I think it's just fine.

It's also very normal for the retail HSF to bend the Mobo. If you look at the directions that are in the Intel CPU/HSF box you'll see that they talk about it. There's even pictures (in pdf) on the Intel website showing a bent Mobo from the side. Again, don't worry about this either, it's perfectly normal.

 

[Nate420]

Thanks Ralf, I was kinda sweatin the mobo bending I'm glad to hear that my temp are normal too, and I'd like to think that MBM5 is a little high on the CUSL2 readings. I mean, 40~42C is pretty high for idle, don't ya think. I ran some more loops of sandra, but this time I let it run for about 25-30 mins, and the highest MBM5 showed was 48C. I then clocked back down to 1.6 and did the same thing all over again, and the temp still got up to 47C, so I went upto 140fsb(2.24ghz - 1.5V) and the temps are the same, and totaly stable thus far Funny that 3rd party monitoring apps work better than the manufacturer's apps. Even my BIOS monitoring is stuck at 40C. I hope we get another BIOS update soon that fixes the temp issues, or just an updated MBM would be fine too.

I'm lovin this Woody! 2.2+ out of a 1.6 is just awesome

 

[cyberizer9]

CPU: P4 1.6A Costa Rica (Newegg), Batch 3149A726, SL668
Pack Date: 1/25/2002
Cooling: Stock Retail fan and Heatsink
Board: Asus P4B266-C
RAM: 512MB Centon PC2100 (Hynix/Hyundai) [Sandra says it is ECC!]
Graphics: Gladiac geForce2 Ultra (not overclocked)
Drive: 72000 RPM 40GB
CD: Sony 32x CD-ROM
Power Supply: 300W Enermax

Running Prime95 since last night.
Internal Clock : 2133.5
System Clock: 133.34
System Bus: 533.38

Voltage

12V : 11.968 - 12.0963
5v: 5.026
3.3v: 3.264
1.5v: 1.488 - 1.536

Temperature 40c (Idle) and 50c Max (running Prime95).

Should I worry about the temperature and go for AS3 or this will do?

I am planning to let it run at this speed for atleast 24 hours and then
try upping the FSB.

 

[F155mph]

I got my 1.6a from googlegear and it's from Costa Rica. I still haven't got my board yet and no tracking numbers from Mwave and it been like ten days. MWave SUCKS!!!!!