NORTHWOOD benchmarks!

[andreasl]

Link: Northwood review

They tested it on the 845D (DDR) platform and compared it to the Athlon 1900+ on KT266A. A pretty decent article with lots of different benchmarks.

Edit: Forgot to mention that the review is in french So use a translator for the text. But the benchmarks speaks for themselves.

 

[NFS4]

It takes an extra 600MHz to beat the 1600MHz Athlon XP 1900+ by a few percentage points? Yawn. **NEXT**

 

[XWolfsraider]

also for northwood 1.5?

wt......


find real benchmarks (preferably in english)and you just might have something



oops(EDIT)redirected before finishing report lol darn ie6 lol

cool benchmarks for 2.2 and great benchmarks for 2.53

sorry didn't realize i missed this first time around
p.s. thank you for not flaming me

 

[ElFenix]

anyone else think AMD should up the PR on their chips?

imagine the smackdown of an athlon that wasn't choking on its cache? (256 bit cache bus kept the cumine strongly in the game)


EDIT: the flask mmx test shows better than 1:1 performance increase by overclocking? thats just not possible... the o/c is running 115% of the 2.2GHz, so the 114% scores in the other tests is impressive scaling-wise... the athlon is 15 to 20% slower... but thats a 1GHz advantage. of course, intel designed the p4 to be the ultimate scaling processor, so maybe they're pulling ahead? i wonder how much further the pallomino core can scale? and of course, how long until thoroughbred?

 

[JackBurton]

These benchmarks look VERY nice considering they are running the P4 Northwood on DDR ram. Let's put some RDRAM into the mix and see what this baby can do. Those QIII scores are crazy even with DDR ram! :Q

 

[Wark0]

ElFenix

It's possible because there is a 15% increase on frequency AND a 33% increase on FSB (22x100->19x133)

 

[andreasl]

<< It takes an extra 600MHz to beat the 1600MHz Athlon XP 1900+ by a few percentage points? Yawn. **NEXT** >>



NFS4: Still hung up on the MHz difference?

Consider this instead.

1. The platform was a 845D motherboard. It has been shown that it is somewhat slower than the 850 in most cases. Check the latest THG comparison.

2. Also look at the comparison between the Northwood and Willamette at 1.5Ghz. NW is an average 11% faster. At 2Ghz that difference should at least be the same and probably somewhat higher.

3. NW is at the beginning of it's life! More is coming. By Q2 it will have a 533Mhz FSB. Couple that with PC1066 and you'll see another increase of at least 10% per clock, probably more. Check the Ace's PC1066 review for that. And keep in mind that the comparison they made was at 1.6GHz. The difference should grow with the GHz of the processor.

4. Overclocking! This part will be very interesting. We'll see if it will be possible to overclock the NW to a 533Mhz FSB from the start.

Biggest disadvantage will be price of course. That part isn't even funny But I know at least 1 forum member who will purchase Northwood as soon as it starts selling so we should know how much it overclocks soon

 

[Adul]

and for that price I think I'll be happy with a dual proc system.

 

[fkloster]

<< But I know at least 1 forum member who will purchase Northwood as soon as it starts selling so we should know how much it overclocks soon... >>



That would be me and me money is already saved up

 

[Adul]

wondering when you would show flokser. I sure that savings is a lot.

 

[fkloster]

I have been lurking around for a while I'm shootin' for...

1) Asus P4T-E
2) Intel P4 2.4ghz 512kb L2 / 533fsb
3) Samsung 1gb PC-1066

I'm thinkin' by may 2002...

 

[rip22]

I agree with andreasl.

I think that these benchmarks are encouraging, its nice to see Northwoods 11% performance advantage over Willamette at same clock (it's in line with my own expectations)this should even increase more at higher clockspeed.

I can't wait for Toms and Anands reviews

 

[Priit]

Dunno... I feel that it was way over-hyped, just like P4/Willamette when it came out...

 

[Texmaster]

<< I have been lurking around for a while I'm shootin' for...

1) Asus P4T-E
2) Intel P4 2.4ghz 512kb L2 / 533fsb
3) Samsung 1gb PC-1066

I'm thinkin' by may 2002... >>



Got the P4T-E

Thinking 2.4-2.5 as soon as its out there

Next stop... 3Ghz

 

[NFS4]

<<

<< It takes an extra 600MHz to beat the 1600MHz Athlon XP 1900+ by a few percentage points? Yawn. **NEXT** >>



NFS4: Still hung up on the MHz difference?

Consider this instead.

1. The platform was a 845D motherboard. It has been shown that it is somewhat slower than the 850 in most cases. Check the latest THG comparison.

2. Also look at the comparison between the Northwood and Willamette at 1.5Ghz. NW is an average 11% faster. At 2Ghz that difference should at least be the same and probably somewhat higher.

3. NW is at the beginning of it's life! More is coming. By Q2 it will have a 533Mhz FSB. Couple that with PC1066 and you'll see another increase of at least 10% per clock, probably more. Check the Ace's PC1066 review for that. And keep in mind that the comparison they made was at 1.6GHz. The difference should grow with the GHz of the processor.

4. Overclocking! This part will be very interesting. We'll see if it will be possible to overclock the NW to a 533Mhz FSB from the start.

Biggest disadvantage will be price of course. That part isn't even funny But I know at least 1 forum member who will purchase Northwood as soon as it starts selling so we should know how much it overclocks soon >>


Well, it is pretty funny to see that big clock advantage go to waste...J/K. The clock speed difference just makes me laugh sometimes.

Anyway, you all make it seem as though AMD is just going to sit on its a$$ with Palomino while Intel releases Northwood. Thoroughbred will be out in H1 '02 @ .13 microns and with a higher clock speed no doubt. And DDR333 will be ramping up as well. Not to mention NVIDIA's next-gen nForce platform for it to go into. And AMD's top of the line .13 micron DEFINITELY won't be pushing $700 at launch.

And overclocking IS NOT guranteed.

It all comes down to what you want to pay for:

1) $670 2.2GHz NW processor + i850 motherboard (MSI, $123) + RDRAM for bragging rights
2) $670 2.2GHz NW processor + i845D motherboard (MSI, $139) + DDR SDRAM for even slimmer bragging rights and perf. marg. over even the current Athlon XP line
3) $247 1900+ XP processor + KT266A motherboard (MSI, $104) + DDR SDRAM for a performance bargain

And I'm just going to guess that the .13 micron Athlon will debut at ~$350 - $400 and quickly drop to under $300

But hey, it's YOUR money and your few % gains in benchmarks...more power to ya I mean, Northwood looks nice, but it surely isn't worth the $$$

 

[Spook]

Where can you get PC1066 RDRam now?

 

[winterlude]

I agree with NFS4...

It's easy to get caught up in benchmarks and forget the real-world prices. Knowing Intel, they'll go through 3 interrations of chipsets during the life of Northwood, which will prove to be an upgrading hell, while AMD has done a much better job of sticking to one socket.

My last Intel based board I purchased with the intention of upgrading the Cel with a PIII. But, as you all know, PIII price vs Performance is ridiculous, so I reject buying it on principle. The bang for the buck is soundly in the hands of AMD.

 

[Spook]

Well, I for one have rejected buying another AMD CPU... I'm not against AMD, I'm against VIA... I'm sickand tired of dealing with one issue after another.... Well, there is this fix for this, and this fix for that... and I can't put more than 1 stick of RAM in without crashing, and D3D issues, and Blah Blah Blah... the list goes on like this... Intel works, and it works stable... I'm not playing the AMD/VIA headache game anymore... its worth the couple extra hundred dollars to have a system that just freaking works... I'm getting a Northwood, I've been waiting for it to come out... Not sure If I'm doing DDR or RDRam yet... Still don't like Rambus(the company not the tech)...

So, Bring it on....

 

[vash]

I think we can all agree that the MHZ myth is no longer true.

if (intel) {
faster_mhz != faster_performance;
}

if (amd) {
faster_mhz == faster_performance;
}

Its all about instructions/clock cycle. Intel is lagging with their P4 and AMD is kicking butt with processors 600mhz slower. Give a big middle finger to all those that say the P4 is better because of architecture because there are VERY few apps that take advantage of the P4 itself. AMD is looking good with their slower processors, significantly cheaper price and very good performance all around (yes it loses in benches by margins and wins by margins as well). Looking at PURE performance #'s, Intel+RDRAM is quite fast. Look at the numbers again and factor in the actual cost, then AMD wins all the time.

Let's try doing a $/FPS chart, 'eh? I'm sure the AMD will come out on top again.

vash

 

[apoppin]

From what I am reading in this thread . . .

If you want absolutely the very best performance in a desktop CPU where price is not the object, then the P-4 is the performance king. I'd say that is nothing to "yawn" at.

 

[JackBurton]

I'm with the other P4 guys here. I already have a P4 1.9GHz@2.0GHz with PC800 on my P4T-E, and when the Northwoods comes out with PC1066 I'm selling my chip and memory for a P4 2GHz with PC0166 ram. I know that baby should be able to hit 2.5GHz at least.

 

[NFS4]

<< From what I am reading in this thread . . .

If you want absolutely the very best performance in a desktop CPU where price is not the object, then the P-4 is the performance king. I'd say that is nothing to "yawn" at. >>


That's the point: "where price is not the object." In a true fantasy land, we'd all be living it up with 2.2GHz Pentium 4's. But in a time when the job market is sour, people are losing money in the stock market (and losing their jobs), and every penny counts, it makes sense for most people to go with the best performance/value out there.

But the reason why I "yawn" is b/c paying more than 2.7 times the price of a 1.6GHz Athlon XP + the additional cost of an i850 or i845 board + the additional cost of RDRAM DOES NOT justify the performance differential. Now if the 2.2GHz Northwood debuted at $325, then you might get a rise out of me

I'm a person that uses coupons at the grocery store, buy stuff only on sale, and shop for clothes on the off season to get good clearance deals. Paying out the a$$ for a processor just isn't in my cards

 

[splice]

I also agree with NFS4. NW just costs too much for the performance benefits you get. If I'm going to pay 2.7x the price of an Athlon XP 1900+ I would expect to see a larger performance margin. I'm not saying the NW isn't fast, it's just not worth the cash you have to put out at this point in time.

 

[formulav8]

I still think its sad that Intel has a 600mhz clock speed advantage and can't do no better then that. They do less work per mhz so they can just ramp up the mhz to rip off the dumb people thinking that more mhz = more performance for 3 times the price. Even with twice the L2 cache the P4 is still not that impressive.


Jason

 

[apoppin]

<< That's the point: "where price is not the object." In a true fantasy land, we'd all be living it up with 2.2GHz Pentium 4's >>


We are not in a fantasy land . . . we are talking PRIORITIES. Obviously for SOME of us here (and we can read their replies in THIS thread), that extra performance is enough to justify the price for them - perhaps not for you.

And we are talking about the debut of a brand new Intel top-of-line "king of performance" processor. Intel is following their tradition in pricing their lead processor at about twice the next fastest one. I am certain when the 2.4Ghz debuts, the 2.2 will drop significantly in price. And when they finally ramp up their new processors their entire line should drop in price to stay reasonably competitive with AMD.

If you are the person who needs/desires the absolute fastest desktop processor, then the new Northwood is the undisputed performance king. If you will settle for second fastest, then the AMD 1.6Ghz solution is a very excellent bang-for-the-buck.

Me - personally - I am glad to settle for 3rd fastest as long as it runs my current applications and games satisfactorily.