NORTHWOOD benchmarks!

[apoppin]

<< "Officially" No
"Technically" Yes
>>


So your rewording it to say Yes AND No.

I don't think so . . . The Northwood is the fastest desktop processor available. I can order one, it is still in stock. Soon, there will be more in stock at many other outlets.

And no matter what spin you put on it, the Athlon XP1900+ is the SECOND-fastest desktop CPU.



And - hypothetically speaking, of course - would you throw my notebook off a high or low "clip"?
(It's INSURED, go ahead. )

 

[NFS4]

<<

<< "Officially" No
"Technically" Yes
>>


So your rewording it to say Yes AND No.

I don't think so . . . The Northwood is the fastest desktop processor available. I can order one, it is still in stock. Soon, there will be more in stock at many other outlets.

And no matter what spin you put on it, the Athlon XP1900+ is the SECOND-fastest desktop CPU.



And - hypothetically speaking, of course - would you throw my notebook off a high or low "clip"?
(It's INSURED, go ahead. ) >>


Oh, and I never said that the 2.2GHz wasn't faster than the Athlon XP 1900+ (in fact I state on more than on occassion that the 2.2 is faster, but not worth the money), just that nothing is set in stone until Intel makes the announcment, Dell ships the desktops, and I see reviews from Anand, Tom, and Ace's Hardware at 12:00AM Jan 7th For all we know, some last minute glitch may hault the chip on Jan. 2nd or end up in a recall like the PIII 1.13. That's why I won't call it til the official date comes around.





As for your notebook, that would be a HIGH cliff. Do you make regular backups? And does KIA's Long Haul warranty cover incineration?

 

[apoppin]

<< Oh, and I never said that the 2.2GHz wasn't faster than the Athlon XP 1900+ (in fact I state on more than on occassion that the 2.2 is faster, but not worth the money), just that nothing is set in stone until Intel makes the announcment, Dell ships the desktops, and I see reviews from Anand, Tom, and Ace's Hardware at 12:00AM Jan 7th >>


Thank-you! It is clear now. As long as we all understand what you finally admitted.

No, the Kia warranty doesn't cover incineration anymore than your TOYota one does . . . my auto INSURANCE policy covers accident, theft and fire damage.
What does this have to do with my notebook? . . . pretty non sequitur

 

[NFS4]

<<

<< Oh, and I never said that the 2.2GHz wasn't faster than the Athlon XP 1900+ (in fact I state on more than on occassion that the 2.2 is faster, but not worth the money), just that nothing is set in stone until Intel makes the announcment, Dell ships the desktops, and I see reviews from Anand, Tom, and Ace's Hardware at 12:00AM Jan 7th >>


Thank-you! It is clear now. As long as we all understand what you finally admitted.

No, the Kia warranty doesn't cover incineration anymore than your TOYota one does . . . my auto INSURANCE policy covers accident, theft and fire damage.
What does this have to do with my notebook? . . . pretty non sequitur >>


Just playing around with ya. I'm a big playa-hata of Hyundai and KIA

 

[apoppin]

<< Just playing around with ya. I'm a big playa-hata of Hyundai and KIA >>



Well, me too . . . now this is going off-topic. However, Toyata is just WAY-overpriced. It is the Intel of the car world. Kia - like AMD - is excellent bang-for-the-buck.
(Whaddya want MORE for $6000 dollars for a brand new 2002 car with a 100,000 mile warranty? Of course, I could have paid 2x-2.7x more for a Toyota with more "features", shorter warranty and higher depreciation.)

I think you are way too hung up on brand-name recognition.

 

[NFS4]

<<

<< Just playing around with ya. I'm a big playa-hata of Hyundai and KIA >>



Well, me too . . . now this is going off-topic. However, Toyata is just WAY-overpriced. It is the Intel of the car world. Kia - like AMD - is excellent bang-for-the-buck.
(Whaddya want MORE for $6000 dollars for a brand new 2002 car with a 100,000 mile warranty? Of course, I could have paid 2x-2.7x more for a Toyota with more "features", shorter warranty and higher depreciation.)

I think you are way too hung up on brand-name recognition.

>>


Everyone knows that Toyota/Lexus has one of the best resale value margins in the business (They hold their value VERY well). And in quality assements, the Top 20 list is filled with about 10 Toyota/Lexus vehicles. Koreans rank near the bottom in both categories...but that is a different story And I wouldn't be satisifed with just a bare car. I'd be lost without my leather, keyless, A/C, power everything, moonroof, 10-disc CD changer, cruise, etc. I like the features epsecially with my long distance driving And as for warranty, I haven't needed it. My car is a '95 and has 104,500 miles on it. Never needed to do ANY repair work on it, and it has only needed routine maintenance (oil every 3,000 miles, tire rotation ever 6,000 miles, timing belt at 75,000 miles, new tires at 98,000 miles).

As for brand recognition, I could say the same to most about Intel

 

[neccrixx]

anyway,

Northwood ain't out yet, so for now Athlon XP 1900+ Ownz
So all ya'll Intel fanboys out there can suck my salty ****

when Northwood is official, then we'll talk.

BTW, then you can tell me to go to hell, but not b4

 

[apoppin]

<< Everyone knows that Toyota/Lexus has one of the best resale value margins in the business (They hold their value VERY well). And in quality assements, the Top 20 list is filled with about 10 Toyota/Lexus vehicles. Koreans rank near the bottom in both categories...but that is a different story And I wouldn't be satisifed with just a bare car. I'd be lost without my leather, keyless, A/C, power everything, moonroof, 10-disc CD changer, cruise, etc. I like the features epsecially with my long distance driving And as for warranty, I haven't needed it. My car is a '95 and has 104,500 miles on it. Never needed to do ANY repair work on it, and it has only needed routine maintenance (oil every 3,000 miles, tire rotation ever 6,000 miles, timing belt at 75,000 miles, new tires at 98,000 miles). >>



Sound like that old reliable Ford LTD I had. Never needed ANYTHING mechanical for over 120,000 miles.

Of the Korean cars are the newcomers and they have yet to establish themselves (like AMD did) when Intel (Toyota) was on top.

Go buy yourself a NEW Toyota and you will see sticker-shock. Compared to KIA they are just overpriced. The way I look at it, at the end of the warranty, I can just throw it away and I will have got more than my $6K worth . . . in 5 years, it will likely be worth something. Your brand new Toyota will depreciate far more than $6K in 5 years.


And neccrixx, it is so OBVIOUS that you are an AMD fan boy that has not even bother to read the whole thread.

 

[NFS4]

<< Go buy yourself a NEW Toyota and you will see sticker-shock. Compared to KIA they are just overpriced. The way I look at it, at the end of the warranty, I can just throw it away and I will have got more than my $6K worth . . . in 5 years, it will likely be worth something. Your brand new Toyota will depreciate far more than $6K in 5 years. >>


We JUST got a BRAND NEW LOADED (only option we didn't get was heated front seats) '02 Toyota Highlander Limited 2 weeks ago. Traded in the '97 Explorer XLT for it. It was about the same price as the '02 Explorer XLT. Previous experience with Toyota, poor interior of the Explorer, better fuel economy, smoother engine, and higher resale value were key in selecting it over the Explorer

Comparing a bottom of the bucket KIA to something like a Camry in resale value is not a direct comparison. The Camry is a MUCH larger vehicle with many more features and such. Comparing a Camry to an Accord or Taurus, however; is more accurate.

You have a KIA Rio, right?? The Toyota Echo is a direct competitor. A stripper Echo is $9,388, a stripper Rio is $9,009. BOTH before dealer dickering.

 

[apoppin]

<< You have a KIA Rio, right?? The Toyota Echo is a direct competitor. A stripper Echo is $9,388, a stripper Rio is $9,009. BOTH before dealer dickering. >>



Does anyone actually pay $9K for the KIA. I got mine for $5988. Your Echo actually sells for $9K.

And I thought we were talking about CPUs. Mine was just your analogy - however with a new twist - comparing overpriced but well-established Intel/Toyota to the upstart AMD/Kia.

And where is this leading us?



EDIT: I know it's leading me to lunch. Then the afternoon showing of LOTR (if it isn't too crowded). I guess I'll give you a break too.

 

[fkloster]

While were talkin' about cars, I just picked up a gem 92' 540 w/only 81K miles and momo wheels for 12K for the wife to drive...I wonder if I could get a 02' Highlander for that cheep?

 

[neccrixx]

Man don't take it so seriously...

Well, glad to see that emotions are still here and no one is dead...

Geez...

 

[imgod2u]

These AMD vs Intel threads really spark up a lot of "conversation". This thread is only a day old and already it's 3 pages. That said, I see the same arguements as pre-AthlonXP. The P4's cost more, but performs slightly better. The Athlons are the best price/performance. But the underlying thing that has carried Intel through all the times when it was behind in performance (asside from massive marketing power) are the chipsets that it uses. I cannot stress how many countless hours I've spent troubleshooting Via systems for friends of mine. Yes 3rd party chipsets are getting better and a lot of the time, it's not much of an issue, but to me, 5-15% performance difference isn't enough to justify $300 more. 5-15% performance plus you're guaranteed stability and compatibility with almost any system setup, that's worth it in my book. Even during the small period of time when the AthlonXP was the performance king and still cost less than the fastest P4, that safe sense that you're hardware is stable and all the instabilities that were caused was by the evil Micro$oft and their OS means a great deal to (and I don't think I speak only for myself) those who put their own system together and spend a lot of time trying different things (OS's, tweaks, drivers). It's the same reason I go with nVidia cards. The performance difference doesn't matter that much for me, and certainly ATI's similar Radeon solutions offer better image quality. But the safe feeling of knowing that my card will work with my setup and any small issues will be quickly resolved with newer drivers is something I value much more than a few fps. Something I'm willing to pay more for.

 

[Bluga]

<< The Athlon XP 1900+ STILL is the fastest desktop processor on the market. >>

 

[apoppin]

<< Man don't take it so seriously... >>


Don't worry . . . I NEVER do around here. After that lunch (Caesar Salad and shrimp creation of mine), I am just too relaxed to care anymore. It just seemed like your first comment was pretty serious.

Anyway, AT break over . . . you guys can have the next shift.

 

[rogue1979]

I bought a Kia Rio and 1 GHz AMD processor that runs 1503MHz. I am cheap! But it is an emotional thing, I could have bought a Toyota or a P4. When it comes down to cpu's, any ignorant fool can buy a 2.2 Northwood and shell out way too much money to say "I am the best". But if you want to seperate the men from the boys, how many people can take a $100 AMD Athlon XP 1500 and overclock it to 1660Mhz or so on a 166Mhz+ fsb and run their cheaper DDR memory at cas 2 fastest timings. Then you have the satisfaction of saying "my cpu is faster than the uniformed clod that spent $700" The Northwood is a great cpu, but it is just plain overpriced. It is not 2.5 times faster than a Athlon XP and sure as heck doesn't cost over twice as much to make one. They say there is one born every minute, and every sucker that pays that much is just letting Intel prove the old saying is true.

 

[Diable]

So a person is a fool because they don't what to overclock their cpu, thats some logic you have.

 

[oldfart]

rogue1979 Who is to say the person who buys that Northwood 2.0 or 2.2 wont overclock it to 2.6 - 3 Ghz??

 

[rogue1979]

Well, I would think that any person that actually buys the Northwood has pride in their computer, because we all know that any games or apps out there today are definately behind the cutting edge of cpu power. In my opinion ones own pride is alot more satisfying by actually being smart enough to save money for the same or better performance.
Who's to say you won't spend a reaonable amount and take a XP 1900 to 1900Mhz? This thread is all in fun for me, don't take it too personal!

 

[Sunner]

Slightly disapointing, but not too shabby, fastest out there after all

Anyways, unfortunately Intel keeps its absolutely ridiculous prices.
If I really wanted a P4 and not an XP for some reason, I guess I'd shell out the money, but since I dont really care who makes my CPU as long as it works, I just don't see any point in buying the P4 unless you really need those few percent, which I seriously doubt many of you do.

Can't wait to see what AMD's next will perform like, lets hope the war continues, so we can all have 4 GHz P4's and 3 GHz Hammers soon

 

[JellyBaby]

<< If I really wanted a P4 and not an XP for some reason >>

The Northwood represents the beginning of a new die while the xp is on its last .18u legs. If you can get those Northies to overclock well it may be worth it. And even if you don't plan to overclock, you won't need a very aggressive hsf which means you get the sweet joy of quietness.

 

[apoppin]

<< In my opinion ones own pride is alot more satisfying by actually being smart enough to save money for the same or better performance. >>


This is coming from some who bought a Kia and admits he is cheap.

Well, I bought a Kia too and am running a cheap-@ss processor in my rig. However, IF I felt the need to have the fastest processor, I wouldn't hesitate for an instant to drop an extra $300-400 on it. It just isn't that much money compared with how much time and money we have invested in our systems.

It is all a matter of priorities. And I can't believe someone resurrected this thread after 2 days of peace.

 

[imgod2u]

I can't believe someone who was lucky enough to get a high yield CPU thinks that's some sign of intellectual acheivement. Can threads go beyond 3 pages? Any more random comments that you'd like me to add? How about them cowboys eh?

 

[rogue1979]

What's luck got to do with it? Just the smallest amount of homework well tell you the Athlon (thunderbird core) with a stepping of AYHJA K or R will almost always run 1500-1600MHz. I simply applied this common knowledge when I purchased my cpu for $87.

 

[WyteRyce]

Duvie

Why do you complain about those people who are going to pay premium for NW.

It's their freakin money, let them spend it on what they want.

Besides, the sooner they buy it, the sooner they can report back to the forum with their findings. I'm sure everyone here would like to hear about its stability and o/cability.