Not Hot: Cendyne Rebates being rejected! Cendyne Buyers beware!

[Johnbear007]

Originally posted by: Soybomb

Originally posted by: Johnbear007
Hmmm no one has brought this up yet, but perhaps it is Class Action time.

Against who? The folded company?

Sure, you could sue and require them to payout to you through whoeveris handling their bamkruptcy. But actually I was thinking more along the lines of suing the retailers that offered these deals. They advertise them for a price, and if they don't deliver on that, they are responsible. So I suit against OM and Staples

 

[Jmman]

There will be no suit against the bankrupt company....remember, bankruptcy has that little automatic stay that immediately stops all lawsuits. Anyway, unsecured creditors get nothing until after the secured creditors get paid, and that 20 million or so they owe that one company will be way more than any assets. A class action against Omax might have some feasibility, but I get the impression that Omax is paying all of the rebates in the first place.

 

[Johnbear007]

Originally posted by: Jmman
There will be no suit against the bankrupt company....remember, bankruptcy has that little automatic stay that immediately stops all lawsuits. Anyway, unsecured creditors get nothing until after the secured creditors get paid, and that 20 million or so they owe that one company will be way more than any assets. A class action against Omax might have some feasibility, but I get the impression that Omax is paying all of the rebates in the first place.

I certaintly hope that they do. I honestly think that if they do not, a class action would be prefectly reasonable.

 

[Johnbear007]

Originally posted by: Jmman
There will be no suit against the bankrupt company....remember, bankruptcy has that little automatic stay that immediately stops all lawsuits. Anyway, unsecured creditors get nothing until after the secured creditors get paid, and that 20 million or so they owe that one company will be way more than any assets. A class action against Omax might have some feasibility, but I get the impression that Omax is paying all of the rebates in the first place.

I certaintly hope that they do. I honestly think that if they do not, a class action would be prefectly reasonable.

 

[Jmman]

Well, in my opinion I do not believe that Parago would have sent out this last batch of rebates(which seems huge) just to have all of them bounce. That would be extremely stupid. I think someone ponied up the money to make sure that these rebates were paid, and I have a sneaky suspicion it was Omax......

 

[Johnbear007]

Originally posted by: Jmman
Well, in my opinion I do not believe that Parago would have sent out this last batch of rebates(which seems huge) just to have all of them bounce. That would be extremely stupid. I think someone ponied up the money to make sure that these rebates were paid, and I have a sneaky suspicion it was Omax......

That seems logical. I hope you are right. I didnt register this one online, so I don't know if mine has been accepted or rejected yet. I have to wait for the card

 

[MOONKEY]

small claims court. sue for rebate + court fee + time loss/their lies/denying responsibility. if enough people do this, it'll teach them that it's not worth brushing off people who got screwed out of a rebate.

People don't usually get their time loss/wage loss compensation at small claims court. My neighbor, a retired judge also told me, the defend should be the bank account owner Cendyne, not the rebate company Pargo; he gave me an example, Father owns the bank account and told his Son writes a check, when the check bounces, it is the owner's responsibility, not his Son. A bankcrupt company writes bad checks..., you sue, you win, and you still get nothing; unless your DA is willing to fill a criminal charge, no justice is expected.

 

[Jmman]

All bankruptcies have what is called an "automatic stay" which absolutely prevents all lawsuits. Period. You don't sue bankrupt companies..........

 

[MOONKEY]

Originally posted by: Jmman
All bankruptcies have what is called an "automatic stay" which absolutely prevents all lawsuits. Period. You don't sue bankrupt companies..........

I don't understand the whole legal thing. But actually you can sue a bankcrupt company, I was told (of course), the filing date means something, "before" is one issue, "after" is another..., it is really beyond me; whatsoever, good luck to anyone who is fighting for the justice.

 

[Jmman]

When someone files a bankruptcy in federal court (it is a federal matter) , something called an automatic stay goes into effect. All attempts to collect a debt, including all lawsuits, are automatically stopped. As a practical matter it doesn't matter if you filed the suit before they filed bankruptcy or after. There is no way around this unless a federal judge will allow you to proceed, and this never happens. Once the bankruptcy case is over, the company will receive a discharge which absolves them of all debts, rendering them uncollectable. During the bankruptcy a court trustee is appointed to administer all assets(divide them up) so that the creditors get all money possible, but secured creditors get money first. Unless Cendyne has a ton of assets stashed somewhere, this means all unsecured creditors like rebate holders will get squat, and in the future you can't even sue them to get anything. Harassing the retailers is the only viable means of getting your money........

 

[carpenter]

I originally posted about talking a friend into buying a Cendyne from OM. We took his paper work in to the store on Monday and the manager said she would check it out. On Thursday, she called him back and said that Cendyne was indeed out of business and to come in to the store and pick up his money. We both went down and they gave him the cash for the rebate on the spot. No bounced checks, no hassle, great service.

 

[Johnbear007]

Originally posted by: carpenter
I originally posted about talking a friend into buying a Cendyne from OM. We took his paper work in to the store on Monday and the manager said she would check it out. On Thursday, she called him back and said that Cendyne was indeed out of business and to come in to the store and pick up his money. We both went down and they gave him the cash for the rebate on the spot. No bounced checks, no hassle, great service.

Is this the store he bought it at?

I bought my online? what should I do?

 

[draggoon01]

Originally posted by: MOONKEY

small claims court. sue for rebate + court fee + time loss/their lies/denying responsibility. if enough people do this, it'll teach them that it's not worth brushing off people who got screwed out of a rebate.

People don't usually get their time loss/wage loss compensation at small claims court. My neighbor, a retired judge also told me, the defend should be the bank account owner Cendyne, not the rebate company Pargo; he gave me an example, Father owns the bank account and told his Son writes a check, when the check bounces, it is the owner's responsibility, not his Son. A bankcrupt company writes bad checks..., you sue, you win, and you still get nothing; unless your DA is willing to fill a criminal charge, no justice is expected.

wouldn't the rebate company be the technical owner of the bank account? they are the middleman and doesn't the check come from them (after they get funded by manufacturer)?

 

[Boober]

Originally posted by: draggoon01

Originally posted by: MOONKEY

small claims court. sue for rebate + court fee + time loss/their lies/denying responsibility. if enough people do this, it'll teach them that it's not worth brushing off people who got screwed out of a rebate.

People don't usually get their time loss/wage loss compensation at small claims court. My neighbor, a retired judge also told me, the defend should be the bank account owner Cendyne, not the rebate company Pargo; he gave me an example, Father owns the bank account and told his Son writes a check, when the check bounces, it is the owner's responsibility, not his Son. A bankcrupt company writes bad checks..., you sue, you win, and you still get nothing; unless your DA is willing to fill a criminal charge, no justice is expected.

wouldn't the rebate company be the technical owner of the bank account? they are the middleman and doesn't the check come from them (after they get funded by manufacturer)?

I agree, rebate companies bill the manufacturer before they send out the checks. If Parago decided to renig on the sent out checks because they wouldn't receive future monies to compensate them, it is on them. The provided analogy is a bit off- this is how is should be. Dad owes "so and so" money. Son agrees to pay the debt and writes a check to "so and so" to cover Dad. Dad tells son he isn't paying him back, so son cancels check. Son assumed debt and is therefore responsible for such and is also then responbile for any fees "so and so" incurred. Be real, Parago keeps a "pool" of money to pay these things, they are most likely paid up front for these rebates, so they already have the money (most likely- or they are fools and shouldn't be in the business). What they are doing now is most likely trying to keep as much of that money as possible by refusing legit rebates for bogus reasons and cancelling checks, in the hope that people will assume that since Cendyne went belly up, they have no real recourse. I've said it once, I'll say it again, we need definitive consumer laws for these situations (and others).- Now my political 2 cents... with Bush in office, corporate needs will always come before the needs of the people.

 

[draggoon01]

Originally posted by: Boober

Originally posted by: draggoon01

Originally posted by: MOONKEY

small claims court. sue for rebate + court fee + time loss/their lies/denying responsibility. if enough people do this, it'll teach them that it's not worth brushing off people who got screwed out of a rebate.

People don't usually get their time loss/wage loss compensation at small claims court. My neighbor, a retired judge also told me, the defend should be the bank account owner Cendyne, not the rebate company Pargo; he gave me an example, Father owns the bank account and told his Son writes a check, when the check bounces, it is the owner's responsibility, not his Son. A bankcrupt company writes bad checks..., you sue, you win, and you still get nothing; unless your DA is willing to fill a criminal charge, no justice is expected.

wouldn't the rebate company be the technical owner of the bank account? they are the middleman and doesn't the check come from them (after they get funded by manufacturer)?

I agree, rebate companies bill the manufacturer before they send out the checks. If Parago decided to renig on the sent out checks because they wouldn't receive future monies to compensate them, it is on them. The provided analogy is a bit off- this is how is should be. Dad owes "so and so" money. Son agrees to pay the debt and writes a check to "so and so" to cover Dad. Dad tells son he isn't paying him back, so son cancels check. Son assumed debt and is therefore responsible for such and is also then responbile for any fees "so and so" incurred. Be real, Parago keeps a "pool" of money to pay these things, they are most likely paid up front for these rebates, so they already have the money (most likely- or they are fools and shouldn't be in the business). What they are doing now is most likely trying to keep as much of that money as possible by refusing legit rebates for bogus reasons and cancelling checks, in the hope that people will assume that since Cendyne went belly up, they have no real recourse. I've said it once, I'll say it again, we need definitive consumer laws for these situations (and others).- Now my political 2 cents... with Bush in office, corporate needs will always come before the needs of the people.

that's a good point. it never made sense that checks would be bouncing, considering that normally they send out checks after getting funds from company. this may just be another rebate house scam to send out less money (like losing upc until you call, or denying claims for whatever bogus reason). maybe our anger should be directed towards the rebate house. or maybe officedepot told them to stop bouncing checks (of funded the account with their own money), and so recent issued checks are good. time will tell...

 

[ww4397]

A couple of my recent Cendyne rebates just got issued check numbers at rebateshq.com. That usually means I'll have the checks in about a week or so.

I suppose rebateshq.com must have the $$$ if they just wrote the checks. Based on all the stuff I've read in this thread I'm pleasantly surprised to see that checks have been written within the last 2 days.

 

[cloudhand]

I believe the checks being issued by rebateshq are the Officemax portion of the Cendyne rebate. Recall that there were actually 2 portions. The manufacturer's portion seems to always show up on maxmyrebates.com ( or at least that has been my experience and the experience of those I know).

So... At least from my personal experience, the officemax portions are now being cut, but my mfr's portion still shows as "valid" (whatever that means) and with no check number.

 

[quincy2002]

I think its the other way around. Maxmyrebates.com is the officemax rebate. Rebateshq lists the cendyne rebate. The maxmyrebates site has 3 item that I sent rebates for that were on the multi-item OM rebate form.

 

[ZowieHowie]

Originally posted by: cloudhand
I believe the checks being issued by rebateshq are the Officemax portion of the Cendyne rebate. Recall that there were actually 2 portions. The manufacturer's portion seems to always show up on maxmyrebates.com ( or at least that has been my experience and the experience of those I know).

So... At least from my personal experience, the officemax portions are now being cut, but my mfr's portion still shows as "valid" (whatever that means) and with no check number.

I think its the other way around. The cendyne ones show up on RebatesHQ, the OM ones show up at maxmyrebates.com

 

[cloudhand]

Oops. You guys are correct

(as he slides back under the rock)

BTW, my rebateshq has a check # too. Yippee!

These multi-part rebates take too much psychic energy

 

[Johnbear007]

I just checked my status and my rebate check was mailed out on friday, I have a check number.

Sweet.

 

[MOONKEY]

You guys have good points, and I also wish I can get my mony back. When I talked to my neighbor, a retired judge, I did not go into details, it was more like a chat. Sorry for any misleading. Anyway, rebate is always "extra" to me, I never buy anything because of it; wishing and waiting, sometimes just too much.

 

[Johnbear007]

Originally posted by: MOONKEY
You guys have good points, and I also wish I can get my mony back. When I talked to my neighbor, a retired judge, I did not go into details, it was more like a chat. Sorry for any misleading. Anyway, rebate is always "extra" to me, I never buy anything because of it; wishing and waiting, sometimes just too much.

Even without that half of the rebate I wouldnt have freaked out

I know everyone is used to free burners but 30$ for a 52x Lite-on isnt going to make me lose any sleep

 

[sniperruff]

well now that it says the check will be mailed within 15 days i wonder if i should cash the check if i do recevie them...

i mean having a check bounced then try to collect that fee is another issue to deal with.

 

[Northland]

I just got this email from Officemax:

Officemax is standing behind all of their advertised rebates. This includes not only rebates offered by Officemax, but also by the manufacturer. There is however a slightly extended waiting period for the rebates while we work with the courts to get all of these rebates paid.
Thank you for asking,
Christina Gurgul, Rebate Coordinator
OfficeMax, Inc.
3605 Warrensville Center Rd.
Shaker Heights, Ohio 44122
tel: 216-471-6202
fax: 216-471-5001



Sounds like these rebates will be eventually paid . . .

Northland

Originally posted by: Jmman
Well, in my opinion I do not believe that Parago would have sent out this last batch of rebates(which seems huge) just to have all of them bounce. That would be extremely stupid. I think someone ponied up the money to make sure that these rebates were paid, and I have a sneaky suspicion it was Omax......