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heat23

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[12:05] <CEO-Shawn> I want to put the questionnaire up today and start accepting questionnaires in the helpdesk, but before I do that, i want to update the website with the gameplan and a response from me.
 

mccall

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Since the CW website hasn't been updated, I'll volunteer my services and help Shawn with his "gameplan":

1. Stop the stalling tactics and post the questionnaire that you've been promising since 7/15.

2. Establish an email address for people with problems/complaints and answer their emails in a timely manner with accurate information.

3. Establish an email address for those people who wish to apply for a refund but can't since all the previous refund email addresses are down, the IRC channel is locked, and you & your staff refuse to provide a valid snail mail address for them to mail requests to.

4. Give refunds to those who have already requested them. It's been well past the 10 days he originally stated and I know of only one person who has received a refund from Cyberwings (as RSG2 says below). To my knowledge almost all the people who have received funds have recieved them from Paypal or their credit cards, as a result of disputing said charges. These are technically reversals of charges, not refunds from Cyberwings.

5. Re-establish (rebuild in CW speak) those accounts that have already been paid for in a timely manner once the questionnaires have been filled out and the information is available to you.

There are other things that he should do, like paying his (alleged) debts to his other providers, but I think this would be a good starting point for his "gameplan".


Q: If I can organize a "gameplan" like this in 5 minutes, why does it take Shawn hours?
A: Because he has no desire to, it's just another in a long line of excuses and delaying tactics
 

HarryK

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Originally posted by: Heifetz
I'm not sure why everyone is refering to Cyberwing as a "company" and Shawn as the "CEO', because Cyberwings was NEVER a company legally, only in the minds of those who fell for this ponzi sheme. And Shawn was a Con Artist, not a CEO.

While I agree that Shawn is not a CEO, Cyberwing is a company. It's a group of people who got together to run a business. It's wasn't a corporation for a long time (which requires specific filing) but somebody said that at some point they actually legally incorporated, but who knows, maybe that was Wolfgang who said it, I don't remember.

"You now have a front row seat to one of the more spectacular dot-com collapses of the year"...hahahaha please.....How can you call Cyberwing a .com

Hmmmm... www.cyberwings.com.... looks like a .com to me.

Originally posted by: RSG2

The fact that Shawn would keep everyone hanging on like the Wizard behind the curtain is galling - As much as I'd like to see people get the hosting they deserve, I'd like it even more to see him get what he deserves.

I agree 100%

 

RSG2

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At least one person from here (I forget who it was, but it's in this thread somewhere) stated that Shawn himself refunded his money...
 

mccall

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At least one person from here (I forget who it was, but it's in this thread somewhere) stated that Shawn himself refunded his money...

I'll take your word on that and edit my post to read "almost all".
 

RSG2

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Helpdesk appears to be online - maybe the questionaire will show by August...

Edit - it is being said that actually using the helpdesk (too late, I registered but didn't file anything) will get your IP address logged and banned...Whatever...


New page up at Cyberwings.com - something might actually happen today...

It did - the long-awaited questionaire is finally here. Have mercy. Of course, there is still arrogance and vitriol being spewed towards those that paid good money to be kept on the shelf for a month...amazing...


Click here to access the Questionnaire

Click here to access the helpdesk

Click here to access cyberwingdomains.com






Options from Cyberwings - Rebuild
or Refund

Let's Move On
July 2002




Dear Shawn,

Cyberwings is 100% ready to move ahead with our Rebuild
Project... but before we do that, I would like to address a few
issues. First, I apologize for the issues we have had in July 2002.
We are ready to rebuild and move on, and we hope you are with
us. Second, I apologize for my tone of voice in this first part of my
message, but there are some strong things that need to be said. I
am very disappointed with all of those people on the IRC Chat
Channel, in the forums, etc. who are trashing Cyberwings and,
even more so, myself personally. Let's not forget that for 12 Full
Months from June 2001 through June 2002 our services were up,
alive, and well. We acquired over 16,000 websites on our hosting
services during that time. Massive growth for a new company. We
brought on 7 staff. We made GREAT progress during our first year.
Every business is bound to go through times of trouble from time
to time. Every complaint that is filed against Cyberwings is being
personally responded to by me. I will not sit here and let people
trash a company with the highest of intentions and greatest of
efforts being put forth to restore our services to where they should
be, and better than before. Those of you who run hosting
companies know the troubles that we face as service providers -
no one is ever happy no matter how hard you try. We cannot keep
everyone happy, though we will try. Luckily, the ones that are
being vocal and trashing Cyberwings all over the place only
represent a VERY small majority of our customer base. While we
appreciate your comments, they are unprofessional, slanderous,
and will not be tolerated. Make your remarks, file your complaints,
do what you must. We are pushing ahead, with or without your
comments and naysayer attitudes. We sold a service, provided it
for the full 12 months from 06/01 through 06/02, and then ran into
issues for the past 3 weeks which we are working through and will
be fully restored by the end of August back to a normal status
again. Cyberwings is not a scam, nor a fraud, and we have already
contacted many agencies in response to the complaints that are
being put out claiming that. We have HUNDREDS of people writing
letters of SUPPORT for Cyberwings in response to your complaints.
For every complaint that goes in, there are many, many more
willing to write letters of support for us during this time. We did
something that no other hosting company has ever done - made
other hosting companies talk amongst themselves. We grew very
fast. Some would say, and I might agree, that we grew too fast
and we ran into issues with that growth. We recognize that. I
recognize that as the founder of Cyberwings. We are learning from
our mistakes and will take these lessons into our relaunch of
Cyberwings. However, we will not tolerate the harassment &
slander that we are being subjected to. If you want to stay with
us, you know what to do. Go through our Rebuild Process with us.
If you do not want to stay with us, follow these refund
instructions, get your refund, and please find another host with
whom you will be happier, we hope. Also please realize that is
illegal for anyone to harass, slander, or stalk our staff or myself.
We are a company, trying to work through troubled times, and
nothing more. You do not have a right to stalk any or our staff,
myself, or anyone associated with our company. People who do so
will be prosecuted by our staff and myself if we are harassed or
stalked. As human beings we, too, have rights to privacy &
respect. We have clearly outlined the process above to REFUND or
REBUILD, it's your choice, but just be very clear that you have no
right to slander, harass or stalk any of us who are involved in
Cyberwings. We are doing our very best to rebuild our community
and we will not tolerate those of you who wish to try to stop us
from doing that. Those of you who have been with us from the
beginning KNOW that we have always provided 100% of the
services we have sold, in full, right up until earlier this month
when we started to have issues. We have every intention to
rebuild our company to the same capacity, and better, than it was
before. We have put this intention out to the public and have this
intention in our minds & hearts at personnel here at Cyberwings. If
you are with us, great. If you are not with us, please leave. It's
very simple. Follow the processes on this page, and let's either
get you REFUNDED or REBUILT. We do reserve the right to deny
service to anyone who has harassed, slandered or stalked anyone
within our organization.


Rebuild Option

REBUILD PROCESS: Please read the Customer Questionnaire
that we have posted on our website (will be posted today,
please watch our website for information) and create ONE ticket
in our HelpDesk under either the SETUP-AYW department or the
SETUP- RESELLER department. Inside that ticket please answer
ALL of the questions on the Customer Questionnaire. As long as
your ticket is fully detailed with ALL of the requested
information, your accounts should be recreated in a timely
fashion. Please understand that we do expect to receive
thousands of requests for recreating accounts and EACH of them
must be verified individually. Cyberwings will NOT be taking on
ANY new customers until the Rebuild Project is 100% complete
and no customers are without service that have requested it as
part of our Rebuild Project.





Refund Option

REFUND PROCESS: Cyberwings is prepared to issue all refunds
that are requested. Please go to our HelpDesk at
http://helpdesk.cyberwings.com and file a trouble ticket to get
your refund. PLEASE include the following information - if you do
not your refund will NOT get processed: Your name, address,
city, state, zipcode and a voice telephone number where you
can be contacted if there are any questions about your refund.
Please include an accurate email address where you can be
contacted as well. Please include EVERY Payment Transaction #
that you are asking to have refunded, whether it be PayPal or
2CheckOut. Each one will be individually verified by a real
human being on our CW Refunds Response Team and you will
receive a letter in the mail from Cyberwings with your refund
check (bank certified check) enclosed. At that point our
responsibility to you is done and you are asked to not return to
our services in the future. Those who have stuck by us during
these troubled times, we appreciate your support, and it will be
well worth your trouble as our Rebuilding Project continues. We
will have 100% of all refunds processed & mailed by August 9th,
2002. This is your opportunity to remove your refund request by
NOT filing it if you wish to do so. Only refund requests inside
our HelpDesk, under the proper department, and with ALL
requested information, will be processed. Please understand
that if you leave out ANY requested information your refund will
not be processed. Any information that cannot be verified will
not be processed either. This time period will allow for us to
check to make sure that some customers did not process a
credit card chargeback and then are also filing for a refund with
us directly, etc. We will not process DOUBLE Refunds and we
will contact every user who receives a DOUBLE Refund. Please
only go through THIS refund method to ensure that your refund
is processed before August 9th, 2002. Please only create ONE
Refund Ticket for ALL of your refunds requested - if you file
more than ONE refund ticket only the FIRST refund ticket will be
honored and your other tickets will be closed with no response
given. For those of you who asked for a refund a week or two
ago via our other method, we are asking you do the same via
this HelpDesk ticket. This will give those of you who do NOT
want your refund any longer, and instead want your accounts
reinstated, to NOT submit your request and move ahead with
account setup instead. You can also get a copy of this
information by writing to refunds@cyberwings.com and an
autoresponder will respond with this information.





In Conclusion

Our Data Center is 100% stable. Our Media Converter was
replaced three times before it was deemed OK and only after a
minimum of 48 hours with no issues. Our lines are running at
excellent efficiency and our servers are installed, functional &
ready to run.

We're giving each customer the option to Rebuild with us or
Refund and move away from us. Your choice at this point. I
must stress that no customer, no person, no one, has the right
to stalk or harass Cyberwings personnel, including myself. I
must stress that I will personally respond to every complaint
filed with hundreds of letters of support and responses from me
personally about the future of Cyberwings, our Rebuild or
Refund project, etc. You have your choice - rebuild or refund,
but do not cross the line to stalk or harass our personnel. Make
your choice - you're with us or you're not.

Please see our website for more information.




I appreciate all of you who have emailed in, mailed in, faxed in
and called in your support of Cyberwings to various places in
defense of our situation. We appreciate your support. Let's put
this behind us, rebuild, and never let this happen again.

Sincerely,

Shawn J. White, CEO of Cyberwings
Cyberwing Communications


web: http://www.cyberwings.com


Cyberwings Account Setup Questionnaire

Please answer ALL of the below "red" questions in a ?helpdesk ticket?. You can reach the
helpdesk at http://helpdesk.cyberwings.com. (For instructions on using the helpdesk click
here)

Please use ONE helpdesk ticket for ALL
accounts/upgrades/zaps, everything that you have
purchased from Cyberwings.

Please copy and paste the red questions below into the ticket and then fill out the answers. Be
sure to fill out ALL the information below. Incomplete questionnaires will be returned,
resulting in delays. Further explanation for each question can be found by clicking on the
question or listed after the questions.


Payment Billing Name:
Customer Name:
Business Name:
Primary Email address:
Secondary Email address:
Street Address:
City/State/Zip/Country:
Telephone number:

For EACH item that you have purchased through Cyberwings, please provide the following
information: * Each transaction number should be a separate line entry. For Accounts Won In
Chat, please click here.

Transaction Number Item(s) Amount Comments
1.
2.
3.
4.

For additional transactions, simply add more lines after copying to the helpdesk ticket.



Please be sure to read the explanation below regarding creating a Security Question/Answer
carefully.


Security Question:
Security Answer:


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Burnt

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What do I tell my credit card compnay when I dispute the charges? It was from april, just tell them that it was hosting for a year, but it only lasted 4 months?
 

SLEEPER5555

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Originally posted by: mccall

His repeated references to himself as CEO Shawn even after he admitted he had a "staff" of four. Most businesses don't have a CEO unless they also have a board of directors. Is it not enough to say you're the "owner"; wouldn't "general manager" suffice if he found the need to give himself a self-aggrandizing title?

Not quite, CEO just means that he is in charge of the company that is incorporated being a CEO that is his legal title assuming they are incorporated, and yes you do ned to have a Board of Directors but this can consist of one person him! If the company is incorporated all of his personal assets are seperate from the companies and you cannot sue him personally and take his money, just the companies as it is a seperate entity. assuming he set out to scam people from the start he would have incorporated. If this buisness is not incorporated then you can sue him personally and take his money and he would then be an owner not a CEO!
 

taoofbean

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It was me who Shawn gave 100$ back to 2 weeks ago or so. I had tried everything for a month before that to get my money and then in a flash of wierdness, he reversed my 2checkout charge instantly. He was very polite considering he called me pathetic and petty before.

Rossman also got his money back to I think.

THAT IS THE QUESTIONAIRE? What a joke. What were the "testing" for days and over a week. How absurd is that.
The questionaire is a glorified email, zero automation, zero database interaction. UNFREAKINGBELIEVABLE

Additionally, I know it is beyond well established that Shawn is a frothing liar but what do you do when you want to pursue legal recourse against him. His grammar is horrid and needs serious editing. What are you to do to actually find him and serve him a certified letter or subpoena for court? He claims his lawyers watch the IRC chat at all times but he refuses to let anyone contact his legal staff.


|shmael out

 
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Originally posted by: Mthrboard
Or, you could just FTP to the IP address you got when you signed up, rather than ftp.yourhostname.com.

- Mthrboard

The reason I didn't suggest that was because I thought CW was using virtual IPs on their account (not every user gets their own IP). I am not a CW customer so I have no clue on how their FTP is setup, just making a suggestion based on how I figured it would be setup. Unless the hostname is contained in the username, FTPing to a virtual IP, as far as I know, won't let you in. Most FTP servers that perform virtual IP serving, capture the domain name request (similar to host header, yes I know that the FTP protocol does not support it) and then direct the user to the appropriate resource.

Here's to hoping any of this mumbo jumbo helps someone.
 

RSG2

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The bad thing about all of it is that the announcement got made in the #Cw-supporters room - where many people have been banned from arbitrarily. In fact, once #cyberwings finally opened up (shawn is there now), ocsurfer started telling people what they couldn't do in there...I thnk he really should mind his own business...he's going to help Shawn run the rest of it into the ground...

And I notice that Geek has assumed ops (and is kicking people) under a guest nick - I wonder if that would be a call for getting klined again?
 

iamwiz82

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EVERYONE SHOULD REQUEST A REFUND PERIOD!

Lets leech away every penny from Scumba... i mean Shawn.
 

labgeek

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Each one will be individually verified by a real
human being on our CW Refunds Response Team and you will
receive a letter in the mail from Cyberwings with your refund
check (bank certified check) enclosed
...

In a word ... BULLSH!T

Mr CEO going to spend several dollars each to refund accounts that only cost a couple to begin with???
Yet another lie spews forth...


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THAT IS THE QUESTIONAIRE? What a joke. What were the "testing" for days and over a week. How absurd is that.
The questionaire is a glorified email, zero automation, zero database interaction. UNFREAKINGBELIEVABLE
...

That can't be right. They said days ago Jan and Geek or somebody was working on it for hours - after Mr CEO had worked on it personally for quite some time.


This isn't even funny anymore.

To anyone who's still willing to deal with this "person", I have an asteroid to sell - cheap. Paypal now, take delivery Feb 1, 2019 and for a few bucks more you can ZAP 5x.



 

MontyBurns

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I like how he says only a "small majority" of customers have been dissatisfied. So what's that, 51%? LOL

And certified bank checks?!?! So he's going to pay all those banking fees to certify each check? Somehow, I doubt that.
 

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Luckily, the ones that are being vocal and trashing Cyberwings all over the place only represent a VERY small majority of our customer base

I kid you not. that is the quote from the announcement, a very small majority. Couldn't that mean, anywhere from 51-99% think Cyberwings sucks?

If that isn't rich enough how about this little gem.
CEO-Shawn - There are those of you out there who do not believe that we have received MASSIVE SUPPORT from our community, but I assure you we would not be pushing as hard as we are without the support of the MAJORITY of our community. Those people will be vocal as well. Some people just prefer to be vocal in private and not annoyingly loud like the naysayers.

now which is it Shawn? The majority cannot be both with you and against you and since you have not had a valid fax, email, or phone number available for weeks I have a hard time believing you have thousands of letters of support pouring in. What a liar.

|shmael
 

Hig

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Yeah right. How many times does one have to ask for a refund before they will honor it. I only got my money from paypal becuase Shawn failed to respond. I am submitting for the rest of my money tonight. I will never see it but this should be fun.

I wonder what he considers slanderous that folks are saying. That "cyberwings is a fraud" or that "Shawn is a liar"? Those seem to be factual statements but even if they are not they represent my opinion on the matter.


Where is the rest of my money Shawn? Oh I have to yet again tell you I want it. What a load of crap.
 

elektronic

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Originally posted by: taoofbean
It was me who Shawn gave 100$ back to 2 weeks ago or so. I had tried everything for a month before that to get my money and then in a flash of wierdness, he reversed my 2checkout charge instantly. He was very polite considering he called me pathetic and petty before.

Rossman also got his money back to I think.

THAT IS THE QUESTIONAIRE? What a joke. What were the "testing" for days and over a week. How absurd is that.
The questionaire is a glorified email, zero automation, zero database interaction. UNFREAKINGBELIEVABLE

Additionally, I know it is beyond well established that Shawn is a frothing liar but what do you do when you want to pursue legal recourse against him. His grammar is horrid and needs serious editing. What are you to do to actually find him and serve him a certified letter or subpoena for court? He claims his lawyers watch the IRC chat at all times but he refuses to let anyone contact his legal staff.


|shmael out

What's this BS about having to look up the paypal and 2checkout transaction IDs ourselves?

My response to that:

Transaction Number Item(s) Amount Comments
1. I5 Account $3.95/yr

I have no Idea what the transaction number is, you must look it up, they're your records and as a paying customer, the ownice is on you, the business, to reestablish service for me.

EDIT: Side note, they want you to use the help desk, which when I submitted a trouble ticket to in the past never received a response to after 3 months!!

EDIT 2: Shawn now says he won't take on new customers until after the rebuild ? What about the pre-launch sales.
 

Tanner

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found it! on like page 10 of this thead.



/server irc.webchat.org


#cyberwings



I also msg'd the thread "starter/moderator" and asked him to update the first post w/ some useful info like this... we'll see how the n00b does
 
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