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Wolfgang

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Hey, I'm not at all embarassed to admit I bought a number of accounts from Cyberwings, and I still expect things to work out in the end.

We're not there yet, and there are some serious growth pains right now (becoming so dependent on LS was a serious error, it seems--once you're hoooked, you're hooked, and if for whatever reason they yank the line....), but let's see where they are in a week or so.

Unacceptable delay? Absolutely. But at this point, unavoidable, and while Shawn no doubt has been a bit mercurial and extemperaneous in his varying pronouncements, that doesn't mean he's a fraud, or that CW is (in the long- or medium-term--it is in the most immediate term, obviously) a failure.

But ONLY time will tell.

(If CW does indeed come up this week or next, and stays up, and returns to business as usual, there's going to be a lot of crow to eat here! )
 

Aceman

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(If CW does indeed come up this week or next, and stays up, and returns to business as usual, there's going to be a lot of crow to eat here! )

I don't think anyone will be eating crow at all if it doesn't come up until late this week or next week. Now I agree, you get what you pay for and we all bought Yugos here, but 1+ week of downtime is unacceptable for even an el cheapo, bottom of the barrel company and no smart webmaster is going to put up any site of any real importance with Cyberwings. They'll become the geocities without banners. Banners will probably come next!
 

noxxic

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Reminds me of a funny story about another "lifetime" host - Directoris... About two weeks ago their server went down completely. A week of downtime passes and they email everyone saying their *nix-based web server got infected by Nimda - a Windows virus. I think they're still down right now...
 

Wolfgang

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Aceman,

You my well be right; I hope not, though. Shawn and Cyberwings are going to have to PROVE to their customers that they will STAY up after this fiasco--and that will be a challenge.

Unfortunately for Cyberwings, it's much harder to regain trust than it is to retain trust.

Fortunately for Cyberwings, it's still entirely possible to regain trust, if you're willing to do what it takes: a lot of open, honest, humble, and extremely competent hard work.

Winging it (ahem) just doesn't work when a company grows as fast as Cyberwings has. I think Shawn is coming to seriously realize this. His efforts to communicate have improved substantially, e.g., even while still showing some personal defensiveness. (150% understandable humanly speaking, but not ideal for a CEO speaking qua CEO.)

If he can replace impulsiveness with disciplined focus (especially on strategic matters), he and Cyberwings may end up doing fine--more than fine! I sure hope so!

If Cyberwings overcomes, it will be a real asset to the Web.
 

Go Terps

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I've got my website up now (sometimes)
I'm still working on it and trying to ftp but can't login...
anyone else?
 

FastEddieG

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Relaying from IRC Chat... 8:40pm CT July 8th, 2002

(@CEO-Shawn) I started Cyberwings as a very small, very personal web hosting company in June 2001. As word of mouth spread, our company grew... and grew... and grew. Since June 2001 we have grown to having over 4,000+ individual clients and currently having over 16,000 websites hosted on our services.

- During this time we were able to maintain a VERY low level of pricing and STILL providing quality hosting services as well as open our own data center in Maine. Cyberwings would like to take the next step in hosting services by creating a Premier Cyberwings Data Center (PCDC) in Virginia, USA. Some people would say that we should have started out by creating this PCDC which can house hundreds of servers, have 10-14 redundant carriers in the same building, etc., however, when Cyberwings was first started, it was not known as to whether we would be this successful in our goal to create the World's largest and friendliest hosting community.

The costs of building such a Data Center are significant enough to ward off any small business from doing it initially, but as we have grown, it is becoming a necessity. Obviously, our success has surpassed even my wildest goals in the first year. No company founder can predict that kind of growth, especially in a market where "Dot Coms" were supposed to be "Dot Bombs" and "old news."

The people that have been with us from the beginning know that I have always been a very active part of our company. I have made myself available, night and day, for the past year, to help customers, assist with issues, etc. With the enormous growth we have experienced, there just was not enough of me to go around. We brought on 7 additional staff to assist, but still, people really wanted to deal more with me since I had been the person they dealt with for the longest time directly.

While I still try to spend a good amount of time answering people's questions, interacting with our customer base, I cannot spend as much time as I used to. The staff we have on board are very well qualified to assist, however, and I hope everyone out there will rely on them for a lot of the basic questions that most anyone in our company should be able to answer. Everyone has been asking me what my goals are for the future for Cyberwings. In the past, I will admit, I have not been very good at documenting my thoughts, my goals and my dreams when it comes to Cyberwings, but I wanted to do that now, so that people can see just how much thought & consideration I have put into this company and how much dedication I have to seeing it succeed.

Here is my list of goals I have put together, and would like to get everyone's support on:
1) Develop the PCDC in Virginia to house dedicated, colocated & web hosting servers. The PCDC will have 1 primary data carrier and 3 redundant "On-A-Usage-Basis" data carriers.
2) Increase our pricing slightly (yet enough) to generating enough profit (instead of breaking even) to expand our PCDC even further in the future. Implement yearly & monthly hosting options with the appropriate price breaks in place for annual pricing, yet offering the flexibility of monthly hosting for those who choose that option - still at a very reasonable cost.
3) Add 3 additional staff within the first month of the PCDC in such roles as: 2 Reseller Liaison personnel and 1 additional support staff. I will continue to not draw an income from the company, and only act as the President & CEO directing the company towards future goals. My reward from this business is building the community, watching it grow and flourish. That, to me, is far greater a reward than any financial gain I could possibly achieve.
4) Continue to offer three levels of web hosting - Individual, AYW & Reseller.
5) Expand into Colocation & Dedicated Servers (Rackmountable, Towers, etc.) within the first month of the PCDC being operational.
6) Introduce ModernBill w/ Authorize.net (or possibly directly with our Merchant Accounts) Integration to our web hosting community so that all billing functions can be automated within a simple control panel. This would provide a simple, trackable customer management solution for our personnel and also for each customer to be able to login to view their invoices, upcoming billing dates, contact billing personnel, etc.
7) Introduce Toll-Free Premium & Toll-Number Premium Support packages so that resellers & customers alike can obtain telephone support from our staff. While we do not wish to provide 24/7 Toll-Free Telephone Support as a free service (it would be a cost-per-call or per minute basis or just a regular TOLL number you would dial), offering some would be a cost-per-call or per minute basis or just a regular TOLL number you would dial), offering some type of telephone support in the future is a goal.
8) Within 3 months of the PCDC being operational, formulate a migration plan to move the servers from RackShack to the PCDC in order to provide faster support, more direct control over the servers and more expansion capabilities for these customers.

These are just a sample list of the goals I have in mind for Cyberwings over the next year as things really start to take off. As we have grown, and piece-mealed our growth together by adding space, developing our first data center, etc. we have noticed two things:
The first thing that we have noticed is that we cannot seem to expand fast enough to keep up with our most recent volume of sales. Instead of adding space and data centers as we go, let's build the Premier Cyberwings Data Center with enough capacity to expand into it for at least 3-4 years.
The second thing that we have noticed is that we have a very, very loyal customer base who very much wants to see Cyberwings succeed. Your support in the past has been critical to allowing us to expand as much as we have.

In the future, as we embark on this new project, your support, both in faith in the company and financially, will be critical to our success. I have no intention on turning my back on a project, the World's largest & friendliest hosting community, that has come so far in a very short 12 months. We appreciate you, and we hope you appreciate us and our services as well. With your support and my committment to this company, Cyberwings can become what no other hosting company has ever achieved - a true community, not just a "commercial power house." Being a commerical power house has definite advantages - but being a corporate commercial power house with a huge level of community involvement is taking it to a whole new level. We want this. You want this. Let's do it.

How else can you assist? Very simple. Just support us in our goals. Please realize that with such a major, drastic transition in our business, we will all be a little on edge while we make these changes. I will gladly grand 2CheckOut or PayPal refunds to anyone who wishes to leave our services, however, I fully intend to give ALL Resellers, AYW & Individual accounts some FREE services after we get settled into the PCDC in order to give you time to get your businesses & sites back to a functional mode. Patience with me and with our staff will greatly assist us.
Consider this a blessing in disguise in many ways - CW being given the opportunity to take a major step back, revamp our business processes, put the proper resources in the right places, and take another bold, bigger shot at this community.

We are not exactly a small community at this point, so this will effect a lot of people. I'm right here in the trenches with the rest of our crew working on the issues.

As for the naysayers out there, I'm ignoring you. If I had listened to every naysayer and negative comment out there on the Internet about Cyberwings and our processes, our business plans, etc. in the past then we never would have made it this far. Feel free to talk amongst yourselves, but my focus is on transition, expansion & the future. Not on wallowing in negativity and "naysayer" heaven. I am going to UNMODERATE the channel, and let you talk amongst yourselves. Please take what I have said here and know that I'm still working on issues at hand. Hopefully this information will help you understand that I am putting in MAJOR thought & effort and ACTION into this situation.
 

RSG2

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You know Kwad, I know better and I still almost want to believe your letters - that's just how good they are. I'm getting my money's worth ($4) out of the whole thing just in the entertainment value alone.

Like I've stated many times, my whole reason for buying hosting from them was just to practice some things - I don't have anything to publish that anyone really cares about. So I can be tolerant of this whole thing (I can understand why other people are not, but then again, I don't know of anyone who was actually recommeding hosting anything important with them). I don't know which is worse/funnier (depending on the moment): the people that want to go beat up Sean over a few bucks, or those who would drink the CyberWings Kool-Aid, even if they saw the poison floating in it. The last couple of shat logs really show that Sean has missed his calling - he needs to be in the multi-level marketing business or something, he could do well at it. Or starting his own cult - he could get a bunch of people to folow behind that comet...:disgust:

Still, I hope he pulls this out - I could use the entertainment, and I don't have enough use for a monthly paid hosting plan to keep up my domain.

Kwad - keep putting them out. I need all the laughs I can get.
 

kantonburg

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I hadn't heard about it either until someone at the tech
desk at Fry's alerted me).


Although I'm supporting all this just waiting to get some "extra" webspace. I can't believe his local "Fry" guy is the all mighty PC Jedi Master.
 

MontyBurns

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Originally posted by: kantonburg
I hadn't heard about it either until someone at the tech
desk at Fry's alerted me).


Although I'm supporting all this just waiting to get some "extra" webspace. I can't believe his local "Fry" guy is the all mighty PC Jedi Master.


You know, Katonburg, I just want to say: Thank you. Thank you for being you. Keep reaching for the stars!
 

taoofbean

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monty, thank you for laughing like I do every time someone with thousands of posts responds to kwad. Be careful though, ace got pissed I made fun of him and wrote me an angry pm and called me a troll and changed his message so we could laugh no more. I am sorry for laughing because we are all here for one reason, Cyberwings = suck and Kwad = funny. Let us not stray from those intentions. Back to the topic at hand of how we are all riding this tatanic of BS straight into the pooper.

I got this message tonight from an alleged LS employee (soon to be former once I post his statement). His grammar weeknesses are his own and this is a direct paste from his post on a CW newsboard. He may be full of it but which BS do you believe anymore. Sean also started in tonight claiming to have been threatened in an IRC chat I was lurking within. There was ZERO threats made, just a whole lot of customers pissed about the outtage.

Alleged Lightship employee quote, I can provide the URL if you PM.

Ok, I have remained silent up to now, but this guy is ridiculous! I
am an employee of Lightship aand I am here to tell you all that Shawn
has not spoken to any one @LS since Friday. furthermore, his account
is in arrears in excess of $30k. Also, his access to the Collocation
space where the servers are has been taken away untill his account
has been brought up to date. So those servers are not going anywhere
for a while...
 

VirtualLarry

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Anyway, the reason our server move will take longer than some is that we have
spent the extra cash to do this migration right. We have purchased several copies
of Aloha Bob's transfer software.

Ahh. So that solves the question of where they are moving too... "Aloha Bob", huh? They must be "spending the extra cash to do this migration right" - right to Hawaii! Must be the attraction of the hawaiian girls with their "5X lei zaps".
 

VirtualLarry

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Originally posted by: Kwad Guy
I forwarded CEO the latest from this thread, because he asked to be kept informed.
He just emailed me the following, which he asked be posted:

Kwad,

Thanks for the update. Geez, I just don't understand the non-believers. Do people
question their church when they hear sermons about doing good? Trust me, the

So it's official then, Cyberwings is really some sort of religious group (like "Higher Source", was a web-design group... you all remember them, don't you? The purple sheets and Nike sneakers?). The "Zap" is more than just a web hosting upgrade, it's really a form of metaphysical uplifting, that only "CEO Shawn" (and his followers) can provide.
"Lifetime" accounts, are really just a way of getting people to join this "cult". "Lifetime reseller" accounts, especially the "2X Zap" and "5X Zap" variety, are especially powerful evangelists to this "cause".

 

VirtualLarry

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The Promise Ultra33 card is the ONLY card on the market that
does things right. It slows down the bits so they can be written to the drive correctly and
without problems. Other Promise cards (Ultra 66, Ultra 100, Ultra 133) don't slow down the
bits properly, and can lead to errors. When you are building a state of the art cluster, you
have to pay attention to EVERY factor that can affect the quality of the bits going onto the
hard drives.

Oh, the strange, sweet irony. Does life imitate art, or vice-versa? Perhaps we will never truely know.

But the truth is, that is almost exactly correct about the Promise IDE controllers. The Ultra66/100, and maybe the Ultra133, do have a data-corruption problem, and the only workaround is to "slow down the bits", aka software throttling of the data transfers, to avoid the corruption problem. (See, Kwad Guy has been telling the absolute truth, since the beginning. You people just don't see it...)

I mentioned the problem in this thread
 

VirtualLarry

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Originally posted by: RSG2
You know Kwad, I know better and I still almost want to believe your letters - that's just how good they are. I'm getting my money's worth ($4) out of the whole thing just in the entertainment value alone.

Like I've stated many times, my whole reason for buying hosting from them was just to practice some things - I don't have anything to publish that anyone really cares about. So I can be tolerant of this whole thing (I can understand why other people are not, but then again, I don't know of anyone who was actually recommeding hosting anything important with them). I don't know which is worse/funnier (depending on the moment): the people that want to go beat up Sean over a few bucks, or those who would drink the CyberWings Kool-Aid, even if they saw the poison floating in it. The last couple of shat logs really show that Sean has missed his calling - he needs to be in the multi-level marketing business or something, he could do well at it. Or starting his own cult - he could get a bunch of people to folow behind that comet...:disgust:

Comet? Hmm...



 

BadThad

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All the crying....I paid $5/year and I'm getting what I expected. I just use the space for fun and to temporarly move files around. Any of you that put something important on a $5/year account.....HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.....DUH. I have no complaint with CW, over the past 5 months I've already gotten my $5 worth. If they continue to survive, whoa, I am really impressed...if they die, oh well....I'll have to file chapter 11 over the $5 I lost, LMAO!!!
 

Kwad Guy

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OK, one more from CEO. Received this morning at 11:51am...I don't know what to think now.
Things aren't sounding as good to me, but I'll let you decide.

Hi Kwad:

Geez, those guys on the message board you keep forwarding me (which one was it,
I can't keep them straight anymore...probably the 48 hours without sleep) just won't
quit, will they.

I wish I had better news for you, but things here aren't looking so good. After I had
done the north bridge capacitance shunt on several of the servers yesterday, I decided
to try and actually power one down to see if it works...and it doesn't! A bit of panic
ensued here, with my IS guy totally in the dark about what to do. I called Intel and
they didn't seem to know either. So I drove HoneyBee (gotta love those Datsuns, they
last forever) down to Fry's. Mitch, my tech ace-in-the-hole there wasn't around, so I talked
to Harry. When I told him the problem his face turned sort of white, after which he told me
that it's actually the SOUTH bridge that needs to be shunted. I was really pissed. Now I have
my lawyers looking into suing Fry's over this. I am not sure, and my lawyer is looking into it,
but he thinks that because we took the advice of Fry's at face value that we can sue
them for misrepresentation and damages. We might come out looking pretty sweet on that
end. But I expect it'll take weeks to get resolved.

In the meantime, I have servers to move. I had a few spare 486 computers that aren't very
fast, but they'll do as modest traffic servers. But I was still one or two short. My IS guy
showed me how to hack my Dreamcast into a Linux box, so that takes care of one more shortfall,
although networking that one is a bit of a kludge. I still scrounging around for the last replacement.
But at least I'm hopeful.

HOWEVER, things got worse. So as I started to try to haul off some of this stuff to the new
site, I got a call from the dude who runs that site. Apparently they suddenly want more money from
me. I was like WTF?!? When I first explained my business plan to them--you know, how this isn't
about making money, but rather it's kind of a hosting Utopia where websites are offered to as
many for as low a cost as is possible--he seemed to get it. I told him that I might fall short on the
$$$ side of things occasionally, but that it'd all even out in the end, especially if you add in karma
points. You may not remember, but I am not in this to make money. I don't need the money, as I
am already independently wealthy. No, I am in this to fulfill a dream, really a dream that many
before me have had but I am the first one to have the means and acumen to carry it out. And that
dream is to provide cheap web hosting, with nearly 98% uptime, to anyone who wants it. But
anyway, that dude you was supposedly jiggy with my dream suddenly started yelling about back
payment and crap like that. I am sorry, but I am not going to line his pockets with cash just because
he thinks some contract that I don't even recall signing says something about it.

So right now, I am having my lawyer look into it. In the meantime, I am totally zonked. I am not
sure if I will continue working on the problem right now, or if I will take a few days off at my
beach house in the Bahamas. (I told you I was independently wealthy). I just have not decided.

But be sure to post this and let everyone know that they just have to keep the faith and all
will be rewarded.

Sorry for the bad news, but I am reasonably sure it is only temporary.

Until next time,

CEO
 

geekender

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Seriously, how can we contact someone to get a refund? I am on the verge of just contacting my credit card company for fraud.

Kwad, you think they just need to bind IPX/SPX to the usb controller and that will work?
 

MontyBurns

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Geekender: How in the hell is he supposed to bind IPX when he already told us THE BOOT DISK IS CORRUPT?!?! Give the guy a break. Disks get corrupted, there's nothing he can do about it. He told us he used high-density diskettes, and I believe him, so what more could he have done? He is working as hard as he can, and he doesn't need all the armchair critics here riding him all the time. He knows a lot more about computers -- and, in particular, central processing units -- than you do. Everyone knows that Web hosting is all about patience, so please, try to have a little.
 

MontyBurns

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Wolfgang wrote:

Unacceptable delay? Absolutely. But at this point, unavoidable...


What exactly is your definition of "unavoidable"?

Just wondering.

 

Aceman

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Monty, an unavoidable delay is the politically correct teachings of the Church of Latter Day Cyberingwings way of saying....... The CEO had his stubborn head in his arse when he went into negotiations with a company. When it came down to it, the company said pay us up to date or we completely shut down your bandwidth. Now since the almighty savior didn't like this idea and FINALLY realized that the BW company wasn't going to budge he had to pull the plug and find another gullible sucker to provide him bandwidth and allows him to rack up huge bills that he won't pay until he has more zap sales.

This guy is sounding like a true cult leader. Next thing you know, they'll have a "we're back in business" party and he'll serve red kool-aid
 

Otisburg

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It would have been nice to have been notified in advance of this crap.

I've been with them since April and was very happy. Until now. This is a horrid, horrid way to run a business.
 
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