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AirMail1

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Originally posted by: Wolfgang
MontyBurns,
There's plenty more that's mistaken in your brief comments. You're continuously mischaracterizing the history of the situation and what I've written, and that makes serious replies difficult and perhaps pointless.

Monty,
There are three kinds of men. The one that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves.


 

VirtualLarry

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Originally posted by: Wolfgang
MontyBurns,

By "unavoidable" I mean "can't be avoided"--it's going to take some time to move things, given that cost is an object. (And there may be more to it than that, of course, if the post about LS being POed at CW AND denying physical access to the current data center until CW meets LS's demands is true--but we've no way to know at this point. It almost kinda seems like it, though, doesn't it? E.g., Shawn says now the Virginia DC is 100% set to go--but the move hasn't started yet. As always, only time will tell.)

BTW, your "Thank you for being you. Keep reaching for the stars!"--classic. Kwad's done the best job here overall, but that pair of sentences may be the best point source so far.

Wolfgang


Enc. From the Cyberwings Status Page this afternoon:

Shawn came into chat room approximately 2:45pm EDT with the following announcement:

New DC in Virginia is complete. Lines will be activated today, I've already had my hand-scanned for access to the building (BioMetrix Security System). (...)

Hmm. Isn't there a major FBI building in Virginia? "Hand-scanned"? Maybe what he really means, is that he was picked up and fingerprinted by the feds? With all this drama going on, you kind of have to wonder...

 

mrtorrent

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Jul 9, 2002
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"savvy1" over at webhostingtalk.com posted this short message she received from Lightship in response to an inquiry:

Subj: RE: Contact Us Form Results
Date: 7/10/02 10:23:09 AM Central Daylight Time
From: Info@lightship.net (Lightship: Info)

Good morning, Deborah. To answer your questions: Cyberwing's servers are physically located in the Lightship Data Center in the state of Maine, however those servers are the property of Cyberwings. As such, please contact Cyberwing to access files residing on those servers.

Well, that answers one thing and exposes another lie: He did not actually build his own data center in Maine, nor is he building one in Virginia (as mentioned, he now says he's leasing space in another DC). As a result of this, one can look at the rest of his claims and take them with the appropriate grain of salt - a really, really big one.
 

AirMail1

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.....Also this is looking like a modified version of the Ponzi scheme that another, now infamous, unnammed individual/so called "company" (not typing the words for fear of being slapped with a fake lawsuit by them) did regarding building customer base and using current revenue to handle prior commitments.

Name the damn company. You would certainly NOT be stating anything that could warrant a lawsuit.

[/quote]In time, it will ALL fall apart, once people at the end of the chain start demanding service and red flags get posted stopping new people from joining, thus removing a revenue stream, and therefore no way to pay for storage/bandwidth of the existing base... It will all just *disappear*.[/quote]

Very observant. lol. Seriously No insult meant by that. Its just funny that we now realize that businesses cannot operate without income......and we are lowly bargain hunters. Highly paid wallstreet analysts made the same mistakes on dot bomb companies that had no chance to recoup the monstrous amounts of cash they burned thru.

[/quote]While I maintain a *small* portion of hope with regards to Cyberwings (e.g. it IS slightly possible the plan would work with slow consistent signups, assuming not everyone will use their space or bandwidth, equalling out to those that do), but the constant "fire sales" put everything in doubt, when the existing base, support, uptime is deteriorating. Just my $0.02[/quote]

There are so many holes in his story.....but beyond that.......his fee's were next to nothing....and he was 'supposedly' independently wealthy.....well for the pittance he was charging, he could have simply done it for free. Why bother with the paperwork of collecting $5 and $20/account.
I am sure that he realizes that his fee's were to low to break even...and that is why there is the warning that new accounts will be priced higher. BTW every datacenter I have EVER been in requires a biometrics scan. That is an ordinary standard practice....he makes it out like some big deal. They required that of any person who even set foot in one.

Anyway all this comes down to this....I figure this guy is going to take the cash he received and pay for a couple months worth of bandwidth at his 'new' datacenter....and hope that the aforementioned ponzi scheme can stay afloat long enough for him to generate enough cash to make the biz viable.....but it aint going to happen. He will be tossed out when this new carrier catches wind of his act....and what is worse, as soon as he discloses this new carrier (they are going to be notified of his past by someone because of his notoriety) and the new carrier will keep a close eye on his accounts and he will not be able to carry large balances of payments due.
Only way to make it in this very competitive business is to host quality accounts that can pay more for uptime and speed. His business plan is 3 yrs old....it could have worked then. It doesnt have a chance today.
 

Kwad Guy

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When I logged in this morning, I had this email from CEO...Looks like he's getting pissed...

Kwad,

Thanks again for the support. But you know, it is just getting very difficult to maintain
a positive outlook with all the naysayers breathing down my neck. I don't know what to say
this morning but to just reiterate the important points from my earlier emails and notices, and
let people draw their own conclusions:

1) We offer the cheapest hosting services on the Web. We are the only hosting service, that
I am aware of, who offers lifetime hosting. That is not just YOUR lifetime, but the lifetime
of Cyberwings (a much more valuable thing).

2) We are the only upcoming hosting service to be currently in discussion to consider thinking
about signing an agreement to build out a 300,000 square foot site in what is perhaps the
epicenter of forward looking hosting services in the world: Baton Rouge, LA.

3) Our IS staff has, accumulated, over 30 YEARS of IS experience. We have people who've installed
linux on multiple platforms. We have people who have built a computer from the motherboard up.
In short, I am convinced we have more aggregate IS experience than just about anyone.

4) We currently offer hosting based on a very wide selection of different server platforms ranging
from 386 to the latest PII 512kb cache dual processor servers. If at any time we find that
one of these platforms is flaky or not compatible with current technology, we can swap it out
and use another, different platform. This makes us MUCH more agile than the standard hosting
service where only a single platform is used. In that case, if the platform is revealed to be faulty,
the entire site has to be taken down. Our goal is to never go down. In addition, our servers are
built on the strength of quality parts purchased from only the best and most reliable vendors.
In fact, greater than 90% of our parts come from Fry's. Compare this to most sites where the
majority of their parts are ordered by mail.

5) We offer an ironclan 98% uptime guarantee. If your website is not up at least 98% of the time,
we will add additional time to your contract equal to the amount of time you can document the
website was not available. No one--NO ONE--in the industry matches this guarantee.

6) Yes, most of our hosted sites are currently down for maintainance and to prepare for our
move to a new, radically different, state of the art hosting center. As of 7am this morning, all
our servers have been linked using serial connectors to ensure no data loss will occur during the move.
Only top quality Belkin serial cables are being used. We have also used double-ended VGA connectors
to connect the servers in pairs to ensure no video losses occur during the move. We have 17 full
sized 18 wheelers fueled up and ready to move at our command to take all the servers and move
them, caravan/military style, to our new location. An armed guard will be placed on each truck
to ensure no one can attack the trucks and steal the servers or leach the data. In short, the move
is being undertaken with the same pinpoint precision that people have come to associate with
Cyberwings.

7) As I mentioned recently in our chat room, it may be necessary to change our pricing scheme.
This wouldn't be a major change, but it might mean, say, quadrupling current rates. If we go to the new
scheme, anyone with an account would be offered the option of either having their account closed,
and not owing any more money, or else ponying up the additional money and keeping their
account the same way it is. When you look at the service and features we provide, I think it is
a no brainer as to what everyone will do. Look for an announcement on this soon. In any event,
our hosting services will be at least 50% than the cheapest rates offered by people like Register.com,
so we will still be a major bargain.

Well, hope this recap makes things clearer. Please pass it on as usual.

CEO
 

Kelemvor

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I emailed shawn twice and opened an official ticket and haven't heard anything. I haven't been able to access my site for 2 weeks. Can't view it online or FTP or publish or anything else. I've seen emails all over about we're taking an outage, then we're nto takign an outage, then we're moving, then we're not moving. I don't know what the hell is goign on anymroe but I can't honestly recommend CW to anyone any more.

Hopefully things will turn aroudn but I'm not holding my breath anymore as I would have long since died of suffocation.
 

Aceman

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Q. When you say content from Maine, are you moving boxes, or transferring data?
A. I'd prefer not to say just yet. Sensitive issues there

TRANSLATION: Mommy! Those big bullies at Lightship are holding my servers and all their info hostage until I pay them what I owe them
 

SpideyCU

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OMFG, I don't know which is funnier...Kwad's "letter" posts, or the fact that people are (still!) taking them seriously! I suppose gullibility is always a promiment aspect here.

This is far better entertainment than anything else at this hour. "In fact, greater than 90% of our parts come from Fry's." I love it!
 

MontyBurns

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What we need now is a dose of sunshine as only Wolfgang can deliver it.

Wolfy, please put this all in perspective for us. It's really not that bad, right? I mean, let's use this analogy: A beautiful butterfly is eaten by a nasty bird. Now, the butterfly wasn't doing anything wrong, and in fact had signed several confidentiality agreements with the bird. And yet, still, the butterfly was eaten. Something tells me that in time, that bird is going to be eating a lot of crow. Well, unless the bird IS a crow. But then it would just eat something else. You know what I mean. Anyway.
 

icecube

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Aug 23, 2000
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This thread is insane!

I've only been skimming through it, but it seems amazing that Kwad spends that much time making elaborate e-mails from "Shawn".

I don't know what to think...
 

MrEnigma

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Feb 11, 2002
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Well, cyberwings is going down...the worst part is...all my data is on that server. I have backups of the site (all my own code..php/mysql)...but older ones. And the SQL tables are not backed up at all (thousands of entries). I guess it's my fault for trusting them....but if I lose all of my data...someone's gonna get sued for my time and effort here..and not giving us a chance to get it off.

Move here, move there, still nothings working....I think he doesn't realize it costs money anyplace you go.
 

Uthiroid

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Aug 24, 2000
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Originally posted by: kingz
They actually use USB ethernet for web servers? USB is limited to the speed of the USB bus, which is pretty slow compared to PCI. That's why they have Gigabit ethernet PCI cards right? Why would a web server need a sound card anyways? And a good one in fact, "the real deal Live!" like he mentioned. He's not listening music or playing games on it I hope. Just confused about his letter to kwad.

uhh, yeah. do you do **** danny?
 

Wolfgang

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Originally posted by: MontyBurns[/i

Wolfy, please put this all in perspective for us. It's really not that bad, right? I mean, let's use this analogy: A beautiful butterfly is eaten by a nasty bird. Now, the butterfly wasn't doing anything wrong, and in fact had signed several confidentiality agreements with the bird. And yet, still, the butterfly was eaten. Something tells me that in time, that bird is going to be eating a lot of crow. Well, unless the bird IS a crow. But then it would just eat something else. You know what I mean. Anyway.


Monty, these are very special words, from a very special person, and I just don't think I could improve on them no matter how hard I tried! Special!!
 

Kwad Guy

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Just got this message from CEO...marked URGENT...

Kwad,

Please pass this along immediately...

Hey everyone. Sudden change in plans. The deal for the 300,000 square foot location in
Baton Rouge, LA is on temporary hold. But I have located something that seems twice
as sweet. And I think with the new deal and plan, we'll be up sooner than I expected.

There's an arcade in Sioux City, IO. Yes, THE Sioux City, birthplace of the Internet. Anyway,
this arcade has been on shaky financial ground and they have a lot of extra space in the
back. I talked to the owner and it looks like I may be able to relocate the servers to the back
room. This is EXCELLENT news, as they have air conditioning already installed, and also
have (get ready for this, you are not going to believe it) 120A service to the arcade. Believe
me, this place ROCKS. Also, they have a few crack racks sitting around (empty, just like the
ones in Baton Rouge) from a tenant who left, so I'll be able to do the cracking just like
before.

OK, so here is how it will probably shake out. I will move all the servers to the back room (really
not an actual separate room, but separated from the arcade by a very obvious line and several
signs to keep the riff-raff away) of the arcade. Aircon is already installed, so I don't have to do the
fan retrofit I talked about before. 120A service is already in so we're set there too. I am investing
in the arcade business, so I will get half the skim off the games, which can help finance the hosting
services (may not to quadruple rates after all). There's also a small area where I can set up a cyber
cafe, to make use of the new secret video cards I was talking about. That's more money to subsidize
the hosting. I think this is going to be unbelievable.

Oh, and the guy who runs the arcade (it's open 9am-1am) has agreed to keep an eye on the
servers and to call me personally if any of them go down. This is going to save us a lot as
we would otherwise have had to purchase very expensive monitoring hardware and software.

The only issue right now is that the place is not yet connected to the internet. They are too far
from the phone company for DSL, and it's going to be a 7 month wait for a T1 line. So right now
I am looking at ATT broadband access. They seem to have very good download speeds, but the
upload speeds are a bit slow. I am trying to work with them on this point, but if we can't get it hammered
out, then things will just be a bit slow for a while until we move to our new 400,000 square foot
facility in King of Prussia, PA (probably later this year). Right now, they are offering 400 kbps upload
speeds, which would be shared among all the servers. I am waiting for my IS department to do the
analysis to see if this will work for us.

Anyway, as you can see it's much better news than this morning. Reason for everyone to be hopeful!

CEO
 

RDMustang1

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Originally posted by: Kwad Guy
Just got this message from CEO...marked URGENT...

Kwad,

Please pass this along immediately...

Hey everyone. Sudden change in plans. The deal for the 300,000 square foot location in
Baton Rouge, LA is on temporary hold. But I have located something that seems twice
as sweet. And I think with the new deal and plan, we'll be up sooner than I expected.

There's an arcade in Sioux City, IO. Yes, THE Sioux City, birthplace of the Internet. Anyway,
this arcade has been on shaky financial ground and they have a lot of extra space in the
back. I talked to the owner and it looks like I may be able to relocate the servers to the back
room. This is EXCELLENT news, as they have air conditioning already installed, and also
have (get ready for this, you are not going to believe it) 120A service to the arcade. Believe
me, this place ROCKS. Also, they have a few crack racks sitting around (empty, just like the
ones in Baton Rouge) from a tenant who left, so I'll be able to do the cracking just like
before.

OK, so here is how it will probably shake out. I will move all the servers to the back room (really
not an actual separate room, but separated from the arcade by a very obvious line and several
signs to keep the riff-raff away) of the arcade. Aircon is already installed, so I don't have to do the
fan retrofit I talked about before. 120A service is already in so we're set there too. I am investing
in the arcade business, so I will get half the skim off the games, which can help finance the hosting
services (may not to quadruple rates after all). There's also a small area where I can set up a cyber
cafe, to make use of the new secret video cards I was talking about. That's more money to subsidize
the hosting. I think this is going to be unbelievable.

Oh, and the guy who runs the arcade (it's open 9am-1am) has agreed to keep an eye on the
servers and to call me personally if any of them go down. This is going to save us a lot as
we would otherwise have had to purchase very expensive monitoring hardware and software.

The only issue right now is that the place is not yet connected to the internet. They are too far
from the phone company for DSL, and it's going to be a 7 month wait for a T1 line. So right now
I am looking at ATT broadband access. They seem to have very good download speeds, but the
upload speeds are a bit slow. I am trying to work with them on this point, but if we can't get it hammered
out, then things will just be a bit slow for a while until we move to our new 400,000 square foot
facility in King of Prussia, PA (probably later this year). Right now, they are offering 400 kbps upload
speeds, which would be shared among all the servers. I am waiting for my IS department to do the
analysis to see if this will work for us.

Anyway, as you can see it's much better news than this morning. Reason for everyone to be hopeful!

CEO


Haha, that is too funny.. a non-secure server room (in an arcade) and it will be run off of AT&T broadband.. I have AT&T, if 1000 of you want to pay me $5 a year to use my webserver please send me a PM.. haha..

Oh, and super secret video cards, give me a break... This guy at least sounded knowledgable before, but now he sounds like a joke.. 400kbps? That's enough for 1, maybe 2 websites (very low volume websites that is)... This is so funny..

Oh, for those of you who are pissed that their servers are down (and will soon be hosted on a dsl or cable modem), go get a reality check.. There were warnings all over the place and the prices themselves should've told you that this was a scam. My only question is, was there ever a guarentee of service, whether it be uptime or speed capabilities when you signed your deals? If not then he can swictch over to $20/month cable modem server to run the 10000+ webpages and there is no legal action you can take against him... Yes, $5 is not much to be out, but when you have tens of thousands of subscribers that's a nice little bit of pocket change (especially from the people who did the $100+ plans)...

Good luck to anyone who actually sent this goon their money.
 
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