NOT HOT! Just FYI: Cyberwings - Received an email from DomainsPricedRight.com

[Wolfgang]

600--woo hoo! I've earned it!

 

[slycat]

my rackshack acct is working again.
no word on requested refund...cwstatus page says 10days right?...so i guess i gotto wait till
next week to complain.

 

[Kwad Guy]

Hey cool news CEO fans...Just got this...

Kwad,

Just a quick note, as we are still VERY busy here. Looks like things will be down for a few
more days, or at most a week or two. In the meantime, I am giving back to the community.
I have just posted cracked versions of the following to the status and home pages:
Photoshop 7
Win XP Devil's Own
Adobe Premier 5
Marjong
Maya 3
Scientology by L Ron Hubbard (digital download)
Nude photos of Pam Anderson
Nero5.5.90
Norton Antivirus
New Weezer video with Muppets

Anyone who wants to can download any of these. No lamerz please! Only people who've spent more
than $100 with us in the past at this point. Note that we are not allowing any download managers,
and according to the rules at our new government installation, we have to turn off downloads when
total bandwidth exceeds 500mb in any single hour, at which time these pages will become unavailable
again until we have a chance to refill the tank. We will be logging IP addresses, so if you aren't a $100
customer and you download this stuff, we may ask for it back later.

Oh, and please let everyone know that we only have $6.04 left in our PayPal account, so that anyone
who wants their full $1.17 refund had better act now. More on this if necessary.

CEO

 

[Emulex]

yawn so who's next to startup a new hosting company? I have a t1 laying around unused.

We can just cram a zillion peepz on a few p4 boxens and let them all fight over the bandwidth.

lemme see if cyberwingz.com is taken

 

[SinMen]

Only time will tell.
With this logic, Cyberrebate is not a scam either. It's only a business went bad, and who know if they might ever come back. They could come back in a hundred years and then it's not a scam.
CW lure people into joining them and can't deliver the service. What about Shawn's 3 year lifetime guarantee? If CW doesn't last for 3 more years, then yes, it becomes a scam. It CEO's intention that really counts, but with all his lies, who knows what he's thinking. May be he's so stupid that he doesn't flee fast enough and now just get stuck.

 

[Wolfgang]

Just got this in the e-mail:


Greetings!

Cyberwings is down to the final hours before our servers go live at our new Premier Data Center. Our Class C issue (duplication) has been resolved - new Class C's will consist of 66.250.148.XXX, 66.250.149.XXX, 66.250.150.XXX, etc. Other Class C's have been reserved as well for strictly Cyberwings use. By this weekend we fully expect to be in REBUILD mode and be accepting questionnaires by Friday Night or Saturday that will begin our rebuild project which is expected to last at least for the remainder of July, perhaps longer. Cyberwings.com, our Billing Solution and our HelpDesk solution will be hosted on its own private server separate from all other hosting we provide. We have already started the DNS propagation for Cyberwings.com and expect to have it online by Friday again. When Cyberwings.com comes online, www.cwstatus.com will go offline. All information about the new account setups, Individual to AYW conversion, free space/bandwidth, etc. will be posted on Cyberwings.com as quickly as we can possibly get it up there after our sites go live again. We will be hitting the ground running when sites go live again, I assure you. I will personally be assisting as many hours of every day that I possibly can to get things back to normal. We have a lot of work to do, let's just do it and get this behind us.

All users who exist in our Texas Data Center please begin to backup your data from the servers at RackShack in Texas. Those will be the next to move to our new Premier Data Center, to follow very shortly. PLESK1, 2 and 4 exist at RackShack right now, as well as a variety of Cobalt servers.



Methodical, Orderly Rebuild

While we want to provide as much information to our customer base as possible during this rebuild project, doing so via an IRC channel is not efficient for us or for you. We will create a REBUILD COMMAND CENTER under Cyberwings.com at status.cyberwings.com shortly after our sites are back up and that will be where we will be posting FREQUENT (3x per day at least) updates as to where we are at on account setups and the rebuild project in general. Once the rebuild project is over, status.cyberwings.com will become a site where you can view the status of every web server on our network with one quick view of a screen. A "Public NOC" of sorts.






Final hours are in progress. Please watch for more updates. I could write more, but need to get back to server configurations and concentrating on making us whole again - thanks to everyone for their continued support - from me personally.
Sincerely,

Shawn J. White, CEO of Cyberwings
Cyberwing Communications

 

[Wolfgang]

Boy, I hope I didn't just ruin the mood here. Everything's so quiet.

 

[kermalou]

finally, all this waiting and we are *hopefully* getting somewhere

 

[Pete888]

If this all turns out to be true, i'm going to take my $17 2.5gb storage 60gb bandwidth account and shove it in all of your faces.

 

[gogeeta13]

You deserve a new title: "Propaganda Member"

 

[Wolfgang]

IF you prefer nicer formatting, as always, try The Cyberwings Status Page.

Note, though, that this page will go down as soon as the regular Cyberwings page comes back up this weekend.

 

[johto]

let me just ask - i havent followed this enough - but this isn't the first time he's promised something, right wolf??

 

[Wolfgang]

Too true, johto. But the traces are pointing to the right places. Looks like this is for real this time. Things are NOT up yet, though. Nameservers don't yet respond, e.g., and propagation is just beginning.

 

[scuzy]

wow you really have a lot of faith in him are you like related or something ?

 

[MontyBurns]

Not related. He's just their "chief propaganda officer."

Just curious wolfie: Why do you think it's "for real" this time, when it hasn't been "for real" EVERY SINGLE OTHER TIME???

 

[MontyBurns]

so as I read this latest missive, it says that the "rebuild process" could take until the end of July. Do I take that to mean some people won't have their web sites back online until the end of July?

Tell me Wolfie, is that a "vindication"? Give me a friggin break.

 

[Wolfgang]

Monty,

Again, you use induction very simplistically, and very uncharitably; and you use evidence selectively, yielding to and even leading the lynch mob mentality on this thread.

For example, your shouted statement is rather vague ("EVERY SINGLE THING")--if you mean by "thing" "plan to be up", and limit yourself to last the couple weeks, then you're right. But that's a pretty narrow range and length to base your assertion on, and doesn't consider the external obstacles present then not applicable here. (The most obvious example: Lightship.)

Let me put it this way: Shawn has really hurt his own credibility a lot by over-promising and under-delivering lately. Nonetheless, he's been far more accurate, IMHO, than you or that vast majority of people on this thread. (I don't think that's a big compliment, BTW.) Not regarding the exact timeline for uptime, though that may be changing, but most everything else.

But again, my logic or your fulminations aside, only time will tell. This is just one more step, not the destination.

Wolfgang

P.S. Your second funniest quote: "Exactly what false accusations and innuendo are you referring to? What exactly have people said that hasn't been true?" Don't worry, I know that was a joke; but I'm a little suspicious others don't.

 

[MontyBurns]

I guess I wasn't clear. By "every single thing" I meant that NOTHING cyberwings has said so far since this whole mess began has come to pass. It has been excuse after excuse after conspiracy theory after excuse. Shawn is more accurate than all of us here? Give me a break.


Keep in mind this thread began at the beginning of July. Now, they're saying it may be the end of July before "the rebuilding process" is complete. So tell us Wolfie, once and for all: Why are you so positive about a Web hosting company that appears ready to deliver A MONTH OF DOWNTIME to at least some of its customers? Explain that away. Give us some excuses. Tell us how the company will be vindicated. Because unless they build a time machine, I'd say vindication is permanently out of reach at this point.

 

[mccall]

Yep, he's promising the questionnaire will be up sometime this weekend, and then accounts will be set up after that, lasting "maybe" past the end of July.

Assume that's true for the sake of argument. How far past the end of July? Who knows. He has said he has 16,000 customers. That means 16,000 questionnaires to be filled out and emailed to him, assuming one questionnaire per customer. That means how many accounts, 3x that much? Many, many of his customers have more than one account. And every account must be set up by an individual, so ... someone else try to figure out how long that would take. Again, assuming he gets up & running, assuming no technical glitches, etc. Getting up & running is just the first step in a very long process and might just be the beginning of his troubles.

What would bother me the most is the amount of storage space and bandwidth he's already sold. He has a customer base with space and bandwidth limits that are staggering. Does he have those kinds of resources? You've seen his sales pictches, zap this, double that. And now he's going to upgrade all these already inflated accounts?

If all these accounts used just half of their allotted resources, I can't imagine how slow those servers would be. I guess we'll all just wait and see, but I think the bitching and moaning is just beginning, not beginning to end. That quiet you hear could very well be the calm before the storm.

 

[Wolfgang]

Monty,

I won't bother to rpely to the first part of your immediately prior post, simply because it's self-evidently false.

But I never said that Cyberwings was "vindicated". What I said is that, contrary to the "dominant theories" here, Cyberwings is, it appears, coming back up. I could be wrong about that still (you ever say that? ever think it? about yourself, I mean?), but that is the way it appears. So it is not a scam, it appears; they are not out of money, it appears; they are not so incompetent as to be unable to set up a significant data center, it appears. All of these are directly contrary, and I imagine if you cool off you'll agree (but it doesn't much matter, frankly--the reality is what it is, regardless of the content of this thread) that each of these apparent truths was contrary to the consensus of this thread.

For some--for you, e.g.--the fact that they suffered weeks of downtime puts "vindication ... permanently out of reach", completely regardless of the future. It's a free country. But if they do things right this time (and I'm not saying they will--a lot will have to change, even if this is progress, and they're clearly learning), I think they may recover and even flourish, vindicated or not.

Still a lot of ifs, and still, only time will tell.

Wolfgang

P.S. For me, it doesn't matter at all if my accounts are not set up again right away. But resellers will get #1 priority.

 

[Brasscat]

I haven't got an automatic refund yet - as Shawn has promised, in writing at cwstatus --- by the way THIS site is down right now too. This guy can't keep a server up to save his life :|

 

[dew042]

Originally posted by: Brasscat
I haven't got an automatic refund yet - as Shawn has promised, in writing at cwstatus --- by the way THIS site is down right now too. This guy can't keep a server up to save his life :|

it wasn't down for the last 5 minutes since i was there.....

dew.

 

[Wolfgang]

McCall,

I think he has 4-5000 customers with 16000 websites--can't remember the exact source for that, though.

According to Geek4Rent, they have some scripts that should make account setup a lot quicker. And the fact that they're converting I plans to AYW plans also simplifies things, since this shifts both flexibility and an admin burden to the customer. (Basically, the customer sets up his own domains, allocation between domains, etc.)

I really agree with you about the demands on bandwidth, though. I really wonder if Shawn isn't counting on radical underutilization, which may be the case initially, but presumably won't be (not as much, anyway), once things get going--especially with conversion of i plans to AYW plans (this will make it easier for users to exploit their bandwidth by allowing on-the-fly reallocation between domains). I've not yet heard a good, quantitative response on this issue, despite repeated inquiries. Lately, he's been swamped--but I'll keep asking intermittently until I get answer. (He always has the option to buy another line, of course--but that's an expense he'll need to plan for, IMHO. $12,000/year isn't chicked feed.)

Wolfgang

 

[Wolfgang]

Something is indeed screwed up with the automatic refund thing at Paypal--don't know why. It seems that PayPal's 30-day policy is trumping the automatic refund policy, so until that changes on PayPal's end, the refunds will be manual.

BTW, CWStatus has been up fine for me. May be the Anadtech effcet, though, given the inexplicable popularity of this thread.

I'll be away for a while now--I'll let Monty pick up where I leave off.

 

[Wolfgang]

McCall,

I should have added one other complication with new account setup: all the sales. So easy to assert, so hard to figure out retrospectively, I fear. A mess for the many non-standard "SALE!" accounts out there--like mine. (Glad I can wait.)

Wolfgang