NOT HOT! Just FYI: Cyberwings - Received an email from DomainsPricedRight.com

[Brasscat]

OK - it's now Friday -- Cyberwings is still pinging through lightship.

He said service would start coming up Thurs-Saturday. So he better hope propegation happens quick. Or he's going to get hit with another swarm of chargebacks, PayPal reversals, and no chance in heck his business will make it.

Surely, CEO's loyal followers couldn't hang in there after, like, the EIGHTH DELAY. Plus his cwstatus site talks about his new setup as though he's the head of some NASDAQ giant.

This starting to feel like some MINDLESS CULT.

 

[RSG2]

You beat me to correcting you, RandomCoil...I guess you realized that the classes are set by definition (with a few excetions for the loopback address, a couple of private networks, and something else I don't remember right now - I guess I really should be studying this stuff).

 

[RandomCoil]

RSG2: Yeah, I decided I wasn't sufficiently sure of what I was saying to leave it up there (it would have been up for < 3minutes had the forum servers been more responsive).

Anyway, the post that immediately followed mine made a heck of a lot more sense to me than your later one. But then, this ain't my line of work so I don't exactly feel bad about it...

 

[RSG2]

You didn't even need to understand what I posted - you had the answer there in your own link (the definitions of the classes and the numbers that they started with were in there). It's not that big a deal to anyone who's not using it...

And maybe everyone does use CIDR, but I know for a fact in CCNA stuff you have to know the classes...Cisco is good for asking you stuff that is worded strangely, not usable in the real world, or doesn't seem to have much to do with routing and switching. Which is why I should be getting back to studiying - the stuff I learned from class is getting fuzzy around the edges...

 

[VirtualLarry]

Originally posted by: Wolfgang
But again, my logic or your fulminations aside, only time will tell. This is just one more step, not the destination.

Wolfgang

Spoken like a true believer. Got those nikes and purple sheets at the ready? I hear that CEO is going to give the call any time now.

 

[AirMail1]

Originally posted by: VirtualLarry

Originally posted by: Wolfgang
But again, my logic or your fulminations aside, only time will tell. This is just one more step, not the destination.
Wolfgang

Spoken like a true believer. Got those nikes and purple sheets at the ready? I hear that CEO is going to give the call any time now.

Dont forget to shave your head also.

I think at this point everyone wants to claim proficiency in prognosticating the comeback or demise of this twit (I refer to Shawn) and no one even cares anymore about the merits of whatever the hell quality of service he could provide. Is his service even worth free to anyone but someone who wants to tinker?

I would be curious as to how much money you think this guy has collected over the last 3 months?
I know we joke about him going to the bahama's but I dont think there was quite that much money collected and with the chargebacks and the penalties for the fee's, he will have even less. (one chargeback fee of $30 will negate a years hosting account) I wonder if he will even be able to maintain a paypal account much less a genuine merchant card account such as visa after the justified beating that he takes. (once he drains that account that Kwad said only had $6 left lol, the issuing bank will certainly never allow him to take payments).

Oh, as mentioned above, doesnt anyone's spider sense tingle because of how this noob likes to present himself as if he were the head of a huge multi billion dollar conglomerate that was highlighted weekly on MSNBC? Wolfie doesnt that alone concern you that this guy is delusional. Would you (or anyone) really ever trust hosting with this guy for anything other than an unimportant, non-critical site that you could reup elsewhere?

Finally this has been an incredibly humourous thread. I only wish there was a way to make it into a screenplay.

 

[MontyBurns]

But I think you forget how focused these guys (or, as it seems, this guy) were on SALES SALES SALES. Not only did they continue to offer hosting for just a couple dollars, racing to sign up as many people as possible (and I do mean "sign up" -- far different from "establish accounts," which generally took a hell of a lot longer, if it happened at all.) Then, once everyone was signed up, they hauled out the infamous "zap" plans where they hit their existing customers up for even more money for hosting upgrades that are at this moment worthless.

I'm sure that in the past month he took in MANY thousands of dollars.

 

[Wolfgang]

I'm absolutely not an internet expert (and my good CCIE friend is gone right now), and I haven't e-mailed or chatted with Shawn or anyone at CW about this; but it seems obvious to me why Shawn called these (technically quite incorrectly) Class C networks:

They are C-like subsets of a huge Class A network--ersatz Class Cs.

The most useful and distinctive aspect of C nets is their having a mere 8-bit local range of addresses, thereby avoiding waste (which used to be extremely common--we'll never run out of IPs, after all, there are soooo many --assigning a roughly 64K IP B network to a company that needed, say, 1000 addresses).

Cogent is doing with its own network that same thing that ICANN does with the Internet as a whole--breaking it up into smaller chunks that can then be distributed on an ad hoc basis as needed. So one could think of these as Cogent Class-C networks, functionally speaking. That's why Shawn showed the final number in the addresses as .XXX -- an 8-bit local range, which is the business end of a Class C address, even if it it's an ersatz and not a true Class C.


I probably don't have to ask, but if there is a big functional difference between a true Class C and these ersatz Class Cs or whatever one wishes to call them, please let me know. I've been trying to understand why this is such a big issue here--seems trivial to me, but maybe there's a lot more to this than I realize.


A further question for those who are CCIE, CCNA, or equivalents: I've also heard it said that the whole talk of Classes is now obsolete--is there any simple explanation of what that means? Is it incorrect? Or is it simply the application of ICANN's recognition that there are too many A's and B's, and not enough C's? (This may be too off-topic--feel free to PM me, if you wish.)


Note for RSG2: I think Shawn does indeed have 1K or so IPs, even for a mere 30-40 servers, in that CW uses multiple IPs per server, giving reseller accounts their own logical nameservers, e.g., with a pair of IPs for each reseller. (I think some resellers get 5 IPs.) Also, SSL most conveniently requires a static IP. I think they wanted a bunch of spares for future expansion, as well.

And thanks again for being a rational critic of Cyberwings--not quite alone, but not exactly a crowd either.

 

[MontyBurns]

Wolfgang: If CyberWings does come back up, would you suggest new customers sign up with them? If so, what advantages do you believe CyberWings offers over other Web hosts?

 

[Wolfgang]

I'd recommend they wait and see if it stays up, and get answers to questions about things like backups (off-site? frequent?), the new up-time guarantee policy (not ready until after a month or so of uptime), and fears of bandwidth oversubscription.

And I would not recommend Cyberwings for mission-critical sites, obviously. They'll need to really improve and prove themselves before people will take them seriously for that. They may yet do so in the future, but they obviously do not start out with any credibility there.

I'll be gone for a while again, Monty, so back to you.

 

[NetworkDad]

Wolfgang - No offense, but your description of the class of network is by far the most technically incorrect thing i have ever read.

I've also heard it said that the whole talk of Classes is now obsolete

- This is false. Determining the class of network you decide to implement is absolutely important when designing a network. You must allow for growth and expansion of your network without having to redesign the entire network later on.

The IP addresses that shawn listed ARE class A network addresses. Based upon the network shawn has listed, with a 24 bit mask, that will allow him 254 hosts per each of his subnetworks.

You can still purchase public IP addresses. They can be spendy, but they are still available.

For those who want to know the class ranges:

0 - 126 = Class A
128 - 191 = Class B
192 - 223 = Class C

There is class D and E subnetworks, but they are not used in normal IP routing.

Below is a list of private IP addresses used for private addressing (not on the internet) - These are for anyone to use, and you will typically find them within your coporate or home LAN:

10.0.0.0 - 10.255.255.255 (Large corporate scheme)
172.16.0.0. - 172.31.255.255 (Medium business scheme)
192.168.0.0 - 192.168.255.255 (Home/Small Business scheme)

My point: Shawn is using a class C network. It'd be great if he could stop using false promises and information...but that's another story.

 

[Wolfgang]

Originally posted by: NetworkDad
Wolfgang - No offense, but your description of the class of network is by far the most technically incorrect thing i have ever read.

....

My point: Shawn is using a class C network. ....

Huh? I thought it was pretty clearly demonstrated that CW is now using C-like portions of Cogent's Class A network...?

I'm obviously out of my depth here, so I'll leave it to real experts to resolve these issues.

 

[RSG2]

Originally posted by: Wolfgang
I'm absolutely not an internet expert (and my good CCIE friend is gone right now), and I haven't e-mailed or chatted with Shawn or anyone at CW about this; but it seems obvious to me why Shawn called these (technically quite incorrectly) Class C networks:

They are C-like subsets of a huge Class A network--ersatz Class Cs.

The most useful and distinctive aspect of C nets is their having a mere 8-bit local range of addresses, thereby avoiding waste (which used to be extremely common--we'll never run out of IPs, after all, there are soooo many --assigning a roughly 64K IP B network to a company that needed, say, 1000 addresses).

Cogent is doing with its own network that same thing that ICANN does with the Internet as a whole--breaking it up into smaller chunks that can then be distributed on an ad hoc basis as needed. So one could think of these as Cogent Class-C networks, functionally speaking. That's why Shawn showed the final number in the addresses as .XXX -- an 8-bit local range, which is the business end of a Class C address, even if it it's an ersatz and not a true Class C.


I probably don't have to ask, but if there is a big functional difference between a true Class C and these ersatz Class Cs or whatever one wishes to call them, please let me know. I've been trying to understand why this is such a big issue here--seems trivial to me, but maybe there's a lot more to this than I realize.


A further question for those who are CCIE, CCNA, or equivalents: I've also heard it said that the whole talk of Classes is now obsolete--is there any simple explanation of what that means? Is it incorrect? Or is it simply the application of ICANN's recognition that there are too many A's and B's, and not enough C's? (This may be too off-topic--feel free to PM me, if you wish.)


Note for RSG2: I think Shawn does indeed have 1K or so IPs, even for a mere 30-40 servers, in that CW uses multiple IPs per server, giving reseller accounts their own logical nameservers, e.g., with a pair of IPs for each reseller. (I think some resellers get 5 IPs.) Also, SSL most conveniently requires a static IP. I think they wanted a bunch of spares for future expansion, as well.

And thanks again for being a rational critic of Cyberwings--not quite alone, but not exactly a crowd either.

First of all, you're welcome. I'd actually like to see him pull this out - not necessarily to silence his critics (since they do have enough legitimate complaints to take the heavy end of the hammer to him), but just to make things right with the few people that he has left. And if he can learn from this and grow, all the better. I wouldn't put any money on it though - I just don't know how much of a base he's going to have left, or how many new people he can attract with his name being mud nearly everywhere. He'll be able to pick up some people in the short term - there will be plenty that haven't heard of him. But anyone who does some research is going to be pretty leery of CW.

Another point is that you arent going to learn much, if anything about CIDR in a CCNA course (Mine was the official CISCO course, and we didn't touch it). You will spend a great deal of the first two semesters subnetting like crazy - it's the bigger part of the curriculum at that stage. For that matter the first semester we never even touched a router. Anyway, the reason that they brought it in to play is that IP addresses of all classes are running out. You can't get a Class A without buying it from someone else who has it (MS bought a company to get their Class A once). Hence the underground (so far) movement to get everyone on the IPv6 bandwagon. Much larger addressing scheme, and more security features built in as well (making all of the address spoofing that spammers love to use much harder to pull off - if it can even be done at this time).

The reason that it became a big issue with everyone here is that Shawn said he was getting Class C's, and the address posted are class A's (I don't think you'd call them C-like extensions - Cogent is giving him a block of their Class A IP's). Now if Cogent is giving him a block of their space and it works, I don't really care. It just didn't wash with what he was saying, is all.

I didn't think about resellers and how many ip's they get, plus nameservers, etc...point taken.

 

[labgeek]

Ok, for once I am a little on Mr CEO's side... All the talk about network classes is basically meaningless. Obviously they aren't really Class C's by definition - they aren't in the right address range. But supposedly, he has 4 blocks of 256. These blocks are OFTEN referred to as Class C's even though they technically may be a 24 bit subnetted of an A or B. Big deal. This one is semantics. Anyone who've read my posts know I am no fan of Mr CEO's in any way shape or form. I don't think there is ANYTHING he could do at this point to win me over. He has proven himself to be untrustworthy, intentionally or not doesn't matter. Personally I think it's a mix. I suspect some things were intentionally misleading such as the "our datacenter" issue. Others like the Class C thing, is I think simply his ignorance of the subject. That may be just as bad or maybe even worse than the former. Point is, I am unwilling to allow him control over my websites - period.

 

[Hig]

Well another strike for Mr. CEO aka Shawn White. He stated on cwstatus.com that he had arranged for paypal to refund all monies owed to customers without his prior specific approval. Just spend some time on the phone with paypal The lady there stated without exception that this is not true and would not be true. Paypal has procedures that even the vaunted CEO of cyberwings can't dismiss. I believe this is another attempt to redirect, delay, and bamboozle his customers. I do not believe he has the money to refund anyones money.

The folks at paypal were interested in the website and I gave them the address. It basically makes them look like they are the reason why we cant get our money back.

Shawn, if you are reading this you should contact them and get things right. Its the right thing to do.

The saga continues..................

 

[Hig]

double dip *sorry*

 

[SearchMaster]

Cwstatus.com (and my RackShack website) have been down for a while now (more than an hour I think).

Tick tock tick tock tick tock.

 

[heat23]

SearchMaster: I hope your not a superstitious person (ur post number in this thread)

 

[Brasscat]

Paypal's policy is to give 10 days for the seller (Cyberwings) to remedy the dispute. PayPal does not have an "automatic refund policy" -- that would be an insane business practice. I didn't buy that for a second. He's stalling.

I would imagine about now, there are waves of PayPal disputes that are showing up "plus 10 days unresolved" in PayPal's workflow system. This means CEO is going to start getting calls from PayPal -- and then his account (which is now suspended from new charges) will probably upgrade to "closed" status, and PayPal will turn the matter over to their collections department.

Speculating from here, Shawn will try to divert the attention away from the "PayPal refund problem" and he'll divise another way to refund people -- all in his vain attempt to balance available cashflow and return credits due. He'll probably try to sell as much discounted services as possible to pay for the credits. Then, he won't have any money remaining to pay rent/bandwidth bills. Then it's over.

 

[Brasscat]

-- Oh yeah -- and it's SATURDAY (the last day from his latest "Thur-Sat we'll be up" prediction).

Cyberwings STILL pings from Lightship. No DNS/Name Server changes have been made. Isn't this really damaging proof that CEO is pulling the wool over everyone's eyes? (beyond all the 4th grade speeched about state-of-the-art Datacenters)

 

[SearchMaster]

Originally posted by: heat23
SearchMaster: I hope your not a superstitious person (ur post number in this thread)

:Q

 

[jk]

My site at RackShack was up continually until this morning. My last visitor was at 8:30 PDT. Down 3 hours so far...

 

[labgeek]

Is it me or is anybody else having problems getting to cwstatus.com. I can't seem to get a response off of the nameservers for it...

 

[SinMen]

Come on, you guy know nothing about PayPal. We are talking about CEO Shawn here. He has been constant ly in touch with his PayPal rep and they have promised an automatic refund. He wouldn't lie to you. May be he just mistaken PayPa1 with PayPal. He has every intention to pay you back. Wolfie, help him out.

 

[heat23]

Originally posted by: Brasscat
-- Oh yeah -- and it's SATURDAY (the last day from his latest "Thur-Sat we'll be up" prediction).

Cyberwings STILL pings from Lightship. No DNS/Name Server changes have been made. Isn't this really damaging proof that CEO is pulling the wool over everyone's eyes? (beyond all the 4th grade speeched about state-of-the-art Datacenters)

today isnt Saturday