*NOT HOT* - Kryptonite U-locks can be opened with a bic pen

Kyteland

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Funny, I remember seeing this posted in OT the other day.

You know, where it belongs.
 

Esquire

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Mental note, if i see someone going at a u-lock with a bic pen it's not the key, there being bad "call police" okay good 2 go
 

klaxon

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Good thing I got a chain keylock.

STOP THE MADNESS!

newsflash: all locks can be picked. locks are not magic, they are mechanic.

some kryptonites can be picked with a Bic pen body. i tried it on my locks, it didn't work - looking at the cuts on my keys, i didn't expect it to work. course, i don't chew pens so the end of my bic pen body is nice and flat - no way it is going to get the pins in the lock to line up and let the cylinder turn.

MANY PEOPLE report that the bic pen thing DOES NOT WORK on their lock. far fewer people report that it does.

picking locks is a skill that few people perform - low risk exposure. the lock still provides the same amount of risk mitigation, but because of this `news' item, risk exposure has gone up. i am not worried - i don't solely rely on a lock to mitigate risk of theft.
 

DJMiX

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cool free bikes !!!
only cost me a bic pen
I see bic's stocks gonna go up and Kryptonite go down.
J/K
 

gspyer

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Originally posted by: klaxon
Good thing I got a chain keylock.

STOP THE MADNESS!

newsflash: all locks can be picked. locks are not magic, they are mechanic.

some kryptonites can be picked with a Bic pen body. i tried it on my locks, it didn't work - looking at the cuts on my keys, i didn't expect it to work. course, i don't chew pens so the end of my bic pen body is nice and flat - no way it is going to get the pins in the lock to line up and let the cylinder turn.

MANY PEOPLE report that the bic pen thing DOES NOT WORK on their lock. far fewer people report that it does.

picking locks is a skill that few people perform - low risk exposure. the lock still provides the same amount of risk mitigation, but because of this `news' item, risk exposure has gone up. i am not worried - i don't solely rely on a lock to mitigate risk of theft.

Just because you don't know how to do it, doesn't mean it that it does not work. IT DOES WORK. PERIOD!

This is a vulnerability in ALL (read again: ALL) cylinder lock designs. I know quite a bit about how locks work because my father was a locksmith. In fact, this vulnerability was actually published in a British magazine back in 1992. That's right, 12 ago.

Why does this work? Cylinder locks work on the principle that all the pins needs to pressed a certain amount to unlock it. When the Bic pen pushes down and you wiggle/twist it, it actually will push the pins down an number of "random" times with "random" pressure. In theory, this would not allow the bike lock to be picked, but if any of you know anything about locks and lockpicking, you would know that the pins are all imperfect. Therefore you can catch one or two if the pins in "unlocking" position called the sheer line. Once that happens, by putting force on the pins and twisting the shaft, you can keep those pins in the sheer line while forcing the other pins. This principle works for picking all mechanical locks except the pins in the normal lock is inside a very small chamber. The cylinder bike lock pins are exposed, and that is why these cylinder bike locks are so easy to pick.

Some locks are just a little harder to pick than others because of the random sheer line of the pins that are made during manufacturing. If the pins are more "alike" to each other, they are easier to pick.

There are number of other way to pick these kinds of locks. I was shown actually about how to open these locks from my retired father, not with a Bic, but with a drinking straw (the thick slurpee kind). This vulnerability is not specific to Kryponite locks, it is for every kind of cylinder lock. (Even those old AT computer keyboard locks.) And it has been known to locksmiths (and probably theives) for many years, it is just a big deal now because someone did a video to show how darn easy it is. Also, you show know that Krypontine (a company in China) does not actually make this locking mechanism, they buy it from another manufacturer, an American one (whose name slips my mind).

Anyone who tells you that this trick doesn't work simply knows nothing about locks and how they work. And his probably doing it work (try another pen). Although we should be thankful that people like, klaxon exist, because if everyone could pick this lock with ease... well you know.

PS: There one brand of bike locks that uses "variable resistance" springs in their pins. That one is much harder to pick, and it is probably "Bic proof". Also know that once you pick a lock, if you do it without enough finesse, it become a bitch to set all the pins right so that it can be used again. Because you are basically forcing some of the pins to warp into the sheer line. This is how you can detect if a door has been picked.

 
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Originally posted by: gspyer
Originally posted by: klaxon
Good thing I got a chain keylock.

PS: There one brand of bike locks that uses "variable resistance" springs in their pins. That one is much harder to pick, and it is probably "Bic proof". Also know that once you pick a lock, if you do it without enough finesse, it become a bitch to set all the pins right so that it can be used again. Because you are basically forcing some of the pins to warp into the sheer line. This is how you can detect if a door has been picked.

gspyer, thanks for posting that explanation of why this simple trick works.

Given that this information had been available to locksmiths for some time, any thoughts on why the mechanism wasn't improved in 12 years?

Also, you mention a brand of bike lock that uses "variable resistance" springs. Can you share the name of this lock?

Thanks
 

shochu

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picking locks is a skill that few people perform

I'm in a masters program for computer security stuff. Our professor today showed us how to pick a kryptonite u-lock. WIthin 10 minutes all 30 people in the class were able to do it with a bic pen. Only takes like 10 seconds. So if you're thinking this is difficult to do or that it takes an expert ... it doesn't.
 

STotaro

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Originally posted by: shochu
picking locks is a skill that few people perform

I'm in a masters program for computer security stuff. Our professor today showed us how to pick a kryptonite u-lock. WIthin 10 minutes all 30 people in the class were able to do it with a bic pen. Only takes like 10 seconds. So if you're thinking this is difficult to do or that it takes an expert ... it doesn't.

what a waste of time

 

klah

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For locks that this technique does not work on, a 50ml container of LN2 and a 100mg ball pin hammer still does the trick.
 

ericlp

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Originally posted by: Mail5398
Damn! I was using a hacksaw all this time.

Yeah, all those hippies that lock themselves to those log tucks.... Now instead of Tourching them, they can just use the ball point pin and get on with chopping down trees!!!


All locks can be picked. If someone wants it bad enough they can have it. I don't care if you carry around a 5.00 master lock or a 150 super heavy sucker. If they want it bad enough they will get it. Same goes for dead bolts etc... It's really just to keep the honest people from taking your sh!t.... I pefer the 5.00 master lock and 10 feet of cable so I can lock my wheels and seat up.

I had one of thos krypto things. Lost the key. Darn! All this time I could used a Bic for the master key. I guess the bright side is... If you lock you bike up and go on a hike and somehow lose your key ... You just have to go and get a bic pen so you can ride it home.

 
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