Not in My Backyard!

[Socio]

Mosques increasingly not welcome in Europe

LONDON ? Europeans are increasingly lashing out at the construction of mosques in their cities as terrorism fears and continued immigration feed anti-Muslim sentiment across the continent.

Some analysts call the mosque conflicts the manifestation of a growing fear that Muslims aren't assimilating, don't accept Western values and pose a threat to security. "It's a visible symbol of anti-Muslim feelings in Europe," says Danièle Joly, director of the Center for Research in Ethnic Relations at the University of Warwick in England. "It's part of an Islamophobia. Europeans feel threatened."

Supporters of the Swiss referendum collected enough signatures two weeks ago to call for a constitutional ban on minarets, the towers used to call worshipers to prayer. No date has been set for the vote.

Italy's Interior Minister Roberto Maroni announced this month that he wants to close a Milan mosque because crowds attending Friday prayers spill onto the street and irritate neighbors. In April, the city of Bologna scrapped plans for a new mosque, saying Muslim leaders failed to meet certain requirements, including making public its source of funding.

In Austria, the southern province of Carinthia passed a law in February that effectively bans the construction of mosques by requiring them to fit within the overall look and harmony of villages and towns.

leaders from 15 European cities met in Antwerp, Belgium, in January and called for a ban on new mosques and a halt to "the Islamization" of European cities. The group said mosques act as catalysts for taking over neighborhoods and imposing Islamic ways of life on Europeans.

We already have more than 6,000 mosques in Europe, which are not only a place to worship but also a symbol of radicalization, some financed by extreme groups in Saudi Arabia or Iran," Filip Dewinter, leader of a Flemish separatist party in Belgium, told Radio Netherlands Worldwide at the conference

In London, plans for a "mega-mosque" for 12,000 worshipers next to the site of the 2012 Olympics drew 250,000-plus opposing signatures.

Not in My Backyard, Say an Increasing Number of Germans

The planned construction of over 180 mosques in Germany is mobilizing right-wing xenophobes but also an increasing number of leftist critics. They fear the Muslim places of worship will facilitate the establishment of a completely parallel society.

Sounds like Europeans are starting to get a little fed up with the Islamization going on over there and are not just going to play dead while it happens.

However it might be too little too late, because as the Muslim population grows so does their political clout. So they may not get their Mosques today but it?s a pretty good bet they eventually will.

 

[Red Dawn]

So what's your final solution?

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
So what's your final solution?

...

/godwin's law?

 

[Aimster]

Who cares?

Stop making Islam threads. Go get a gun and join the army and go kill them. Your threads make me feel sorry for u.

 

[bbdub333]

Originally posted by: Aimster
Who cares?

Maybe all the people that the article is written about? Just a thought... you know...

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: bbdub333

Originally posted by: Aimster
Who cares?

Maybe all the people that the article is written about? Just a thought... you know...

The hillbillies of Europe?

 

[Vic]

Ah... too bad about that pesky 1st amendment, Socio... :disgust:

 

[babylon5]

Religion = trouble

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
So what's your final solution?

...

/godwin's law?

Filip Dewinter, who the article quotes, is a known Nazi sympathizer. And a leader in the Flemish Nationalist movement, which did in fact collaborate with the Nazis during the Belgian occupation of WWII.

 

[Socio]

Originally posted by: Vic
Ah... too bad about that pesky 1st amendment, Socio... :disgust:

The Europeans are not bound by our 1st amendment.

 

[Auric]

Why go at it half arsed? Demolish all mosques, synagogues, and churches. Repel the hated foreign ideas!

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Socio

Originally posted by: Vic
Ah... too bad about that pesky 1st amendment, Socio... :disgust:

The Europeans are not bound by our 1st amendment.

Of course not, but you didn't post this article just to bring us up-to-date on current events in Europe either.

 

[woodie1]

Originally posted by: Auric
Why go at it half arsed? Demolish all mosques, synagogues, and churches. Repel the hated foreign ideas!

Ban all religions and the right to assemble. Wait, didn't someone try that?

 

[CanOWorms]

Uh oh. The Eurosupremacists will be calling you a Europhobe soon.

 

[Butterbean]

I have known and know a lot of good Muslims but the authorities in the mosques are the ones you need to watch out for (and its not cool for mulsims to question authority in the mosques). The Netherlands woke up awhile ago and the people in Europe and UK are very apprehensive but leadership is still often cowardly and appeasment oriented (look at the geldings Archbishop of Canterbury and Lord Phillips ). Obama will know doubt let the banned terrorist linked scholars (like Tariq Ramadan) back in and use his "faithe based initiatives" to prmote spread of Islam>


BO:

"Every house of worship that wants to run an effective program and that's willing to abide by our Constitution?from the largest mega-churches and synagogues to the smallest store-front churches and mosques?can and will have access to the information and support they need to run that program," Obama said.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/...-jul02,0,2892982.story

Yay - cant wait until those storefront cells - erm - mosques open up all around the country.




"Thus, wherever an Islamic community exists which is a concrete example of the Divinely-ordained system of life, it has a God-given right to step forward and take control of the political authority so that it may establish the Divine system on earth, while it leaves the matter of belief to individual conscience. When God restrained Muslims from Jihaad for a certain period, it was a question of strategy rather than of principle; this was a matter pertaining to the requirements of the movement and not to belief. Only in the light of this explanation can we understand those verses of the Holy Qur'an which are concerned with the various stages of this movement. "

Sayyid Qutb Al Qaeda Icon and revered by "moderate" Islamic scholars like Tariq Ramadan

http://www.islamistwatch.org/t.../Milestones/jihad.html

 

[mizzou]

OH, I thought this was a thread about mosquitos in your back yard

 

[alphatarget1]

I think it mostly has to do with the fact that Europe doesn't have "immigration" in its roots like we do. You can't really be fully "Dutch" unless you have Dutch blood, for instance.

It's a problem Europeans have to deal with one way or the other: they don't have enough kids so they need immigration to keep up with productivity, yet their immigrants don't want to assimilate (and understandably so). Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

 

[tvarad]

Originally posted by: alphatarget1
I think it mostly has to do with the fact that Europe doesn't have "immigration" in its roots like we do. You can't really be fully "Dutch" unless you have Dutch blood, for instance.

It's a problem Europeans have to deal with one way or the other: they don't have enough kids so they need immigration to keep up with productivity, yet their immigrants don't want to assimilate (and understandably so). Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

The only immigrants that have problems assimilating are Muslims. You don't hear of non-European Christians or Hindus or non-muslim Africans or animists or whatever making a nuisance of themselves, do you? Only Muslims help themselves to all the benefits of well run, free and open societies but refuse to integrate themselves into the thought-process that make available those benefits.

 

[babylon5]

In UK, there are a lot of immigrants from India. There was never big problem like it is now.

 

[DarkThinker]

So it's OK to build Churches and Synagogues, but it's not OK to build mosques? You see no racist attitude in that OP? Is that supposed to make the Muslims of those European countries feel better about themselves being part of those countries?

 

[DarkThinker]

Originally posted by: tvarad

Originally posted by: alphatarget1
I think it mostly has to do with the fact that Europe doesn't have "immigration" in its roots like we do. You can't really be fully "Dutch" unless you have Dutch blood, for instance.

It's a problem Europeans have to deal with one way or the other: they don't have enough kids so they need immigration to keep up with productivity, yet their immigrants don't want to assimilate (and understandably so). Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

The only immigrants that have problems assimilating are Muslims. You don't hear of non-European Christians or Hindus or non-muslim Africans or animists or whatever making a nuisance of themselves, do you? Only Muslims help themselves to all the benefits of well run, free and open societies but refuse to integrate themselves into the thought-process that make available those benefits.

I really am not a fan of European Muslims and their though process....but you seem like you know quiet well about this. Please help me understand what does integration mean? As far as I know, when an immigrant integrates in a country, it simply means that he plays by the book and follows the law like a normal citizen would. It doesn't mean he dumps his religion, culture, language and dress style into the sea!....but I might be mistaken if you can prove it otherwise.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Butterbean
I have known and know a lot of good Muslims but the authorities in the mosques are the ones you need to watch out for (and its not cool for mulsims to question authority in the mosques). The Netherlands woke up awhile ago and the people in Europe and UK are very apprehensive but leadership is still often cowardly and appeasment oriented (look at the geldings Archbishop of Canterbury and Lord Phillips ). Obama will know doubt let the banned terrorist linked scholars (like Tariq Ramadan) back in and use his "faithe based initiatives" to prmote spread of Islam>


BO:

"Every house of worship that wants to run an effective program and that's willing to abide by our Constitution?from the largest mega-churches and synagogues to the smallest store-front churches and mosques?can and will have access to the information and support they need to run that program," Obama said.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/...-jul02,0,2892982.story

Yay - cant wait until those storefront cells - erm - mosques open up all around the country.




"Thus, wherever an Islamic community exists which is a concrete example of the Divinely-ordained system of life, it has a God-given right to step forward and take control of the political authority so that it may establish the Divine system on earth, while it leaves the matter of belief to individual conscience. When God restrained Muslims from Jihaad for a certain period, it was a question of strategy rather than of principle; this was a matter pertaining to the requirements of the movement and not to belief. Only in the light of this explanation can we understand those verses of the Holy Qur'an which are concerned with the various stages of this movement. "

Sayyid Qutb Al Qaeda Icon and revered by "moderate" Islamic scholars like Tariq Ramadan

http://www.islamistwatch.org/t.../Milestones/jihad.html

Translated from the racist psychopathic, BB is saying that he likes Muslims but only as long as they aren't allowed to have places of worship or to otherwise practice their faith, that he hates Obama for daring to uphold the basic 1st amendment rights of Muslims, he believes McCain will violate those rights, and finally we must fear teh Muslims because they have missionary campaigns similar to Evangelicals, Pentecostals, and Mormons.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: babylon5
In UK, there are a lot of immigrants from India. There was never big problem like it is now.

Indians have been citizens of the British empire for more than 150 years.

 

[alphatarget1]

Originally posted by: tvarad

Originally posted by: alphatarget1
I think it mostly has to do with the fact that Europe doesn't have "immigration" in its roots like we do. You can't really be fully "Dutch" unless you have Dutch blood, for instance.

It's a problem Europeans have to deal with one way or the other: they don't have enough kids so they need immigration to keep up with productivity, yet their immigrants don't want to assimilate (and understandably so). Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

The only immigrants that have problems assimilating are Muslims. You don't hear of non-European Christians or Hindus or non-muslim Africans or animists or whatever making a nuisance of themselves, do you? Only Muslims help themselves to all the benefits of well run, free and open societies but refuse to integrate themselves into the thought-process that make available those benefits.

What you said is nothing but pure bigotry. I am an immigrant myself and I know first hand how hard it is to "fit in" to a new country with a distinctively (for Muslims, "completely") different culture than what they are used to. It doesn't help the fact that Europe is pretty prejudicial (I was an exchange student in a Western European country) when it comes to people. If you have a non-German name for instance and you try to get a job... Chances are you would have a much harder time to get hired.

I'm not denying that some Muslims are too hardcore. With that said, many are just normal people trying to live and make ends meet, have a family and what not.

 

[magomago]

Originally posted by: Vic
Translated from the racist psychopathic, BB is saying that he likes Muslims but only as long as they aren't allowed to have places of worship or to otherwise practice their faith, that he hates Obama for daring to uphold the basic 1st amendment rights of Muslims, he believes McCain will violate those rights, and finally we must fear teh Muslims because they have missionary campaigns similar to Evangelicals, Pentecostals, and Mormons.

Couldn't have said it better :thumbsup:

Easily applies to Socio as well.

However it might be too little too late, because as the Muslim population grows so does their political clout. So they may not get their Mosques today but it?s a pretty good bet they eventually will.

Fucking bigoted.