Originally posted by: DarkThinker
Originally posted by: tvarad
Originally posted by: DarkThinker
I really am not a fan of European Muslims and their though process....but you seem like you know quiet well about this. Please help me understand what does integration mean? As far as I know, when an immigrant integrates in a country, it simply means that he plays by the book and follows the law like a normal citizen would. It doesn't mean he dumps his religion, culture, language and dress style into the sea!....but I might be mistaken if you can prove it otherwise.
Integration means not making death threats against cartoonists who poke fun at your ideals, not issuing fatwas against those who take issue with your holy book, not slitting the throats of those that expose the way you treat your women. Need any more examples?
These are but excuses and fallacies of arguments that would have no place in any constitutional court, as far as I know.
Swiss Muslims for instance have been overall very well behaved and educated law abiding citizens (Switzerland has a very strict immigration process which I think is good). Yet the Swiss state has been hard at work at preventing them from having their own mosques citing the most of ridiculous of reasons for backing their bigoted decisions such as , mosques not fitting in with the overall Swiss urban look,
forcing Swiss Muslims who want to practice their religion in their own house of worship, to have to resort to the usage of converted underground parking garages and disused factories or warehouses as prayer house replacements. In Europe the continent of freedom of belief and free speech that is unheard off.
Source:
BBC
This is how European countries help extremism and resentfulness grow. When Muslim immigrants are weak and small in numbers they get harassed and bullied. But once they grow strong in numbers, then they become virtually an unstoppable political force and they remember how they were treated in the past. At that point everyone and his mother starts to complain about how the Muslims have taken over the country and want things their way (and they wouldn't be blamed at that point).
People and especially European citizens need to learn a good lesson from the good ole US of A for once. Here in the US I have seen how the system works, Muslims come expecting an overwhelming discrimination against them, but for the most part they are received like a well respected human ought to be received and they see the beauty of the country and the beauty of equal rights and lack of discrimination, they end up assimilating properly and adopting many ideas they never thought they would ever adopt. The overall successful assimilation of Muslim immigrants in the US ought to be an example that every European country with a good number of Muslim immigrants ought to review and learn from.
Where I live, nearby we (the local Muslim community) have one of the most beautiful mosques in the US, it surprisingly got so accepted by the majority of the non-Muslim locals, that it's almost received as a city landmark where non-Muslims keep going in and out admiring the structure and learning about the culture. Also students are sent from nearby universities on a regular basis to conduct research and come back with their findings and observations for in class discussion.
It's a win win for everyone, as one of the main purposes of mosques in western countries is to act as catalysts for constructive interfaith dialogue. Think about it, if a mosque looks like your average plane old square building, how well would it invoke the passers-by's interest?