Not really religious but this has got me thinking

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Auric

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Originally posted by: hopeless74
one scary thing, a lot of neo cons and other politicians, are end timers, maybe they know something we dont

Even scarier is that such notion tends to be self-fulfilling since certain preconditions must exist before the "glorious" end of the world. That is the reason for Christian support of Israel despite loathing Jews. Similar schtick during the Crusades.
 

sao123

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May 27, 2002
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Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
Originally posted by: sao123
Originally posted by: Vic
1. Every generation is told that theirs will see the end of the world. This has been going on for thousands of years.

2. The US had no choice but to drop the bombs on Japan. FFS we even warned them what we could do. Not specifically, but they had a good idea after we bombed Tokyo. They were crazy and refused to surrender.

3. The Mayans did not predict the world would end on 12/21/2012. What they did was accurately predict the earth's precession centuries before European astronomers did. Winter solstice 2012 is the day when the sun will align with the center of the galaxy. This is purely observational though, much like the daily 'rising' and 'setting' of the sun.


how do you "align" 2 points? To make an alignment, it would require 3...

Well what is the observation point? Earth maybe? Earth/Sun/Center of the galaxy= 3 points the way I do math.


um... the earth, sun, and center of the galaxy ar all in the same plane. This alignment of 3 points you speak of occurs twice every year.
 

Jeff7

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Jan 4, 2001
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Originally posted by: seemingly random
Originally posted by: Crono
The Bible gets fairly specific when it comes to prophecies regarding the last days. Much ...
Every time I here someone recite this stuff, as if it were true, I'm reminded of kids talking about the characters and events in star trek as if it were true. It's kind of cute.
Q is personally going to kick your ass for even thinking that. And then he'll destroy Earth, probably because Picard screwed up something.


The world will end - at least once.
1) Definite: The sun will go red giant and incinerate all life on the planet. Nothing will survive. Nothing.
2) Theorized: Eventual heat death of the Universe, culminating with the radioactive decay of every last subatomic particle. Alternate: Big Crunch. The Universe collapses into a singularity.
3) Threat: Impact by a large asteroid. Much life may be extinguished, but not all of it. Something, somewhere would survive. A mere asteroid would be unable to kill off all bacteria.
4) Threat: All-out nuclear war. Like the asteroid, a big problem for human life, but life itself would go on as it has for billions of years.

 

JTsyo

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Crono
The Bible gets fairly specific when it comes to prophecies regarding the last days. Much more specific than any vague prophecy from anything else. Essentially, from the Book of Revelation, Daniel, 2 Thessalonians, and other passages throughout scripture, there is a rundown of all of human history, from an expansive timeline. Daniel gives a representative overview of history by naming and describing the attributes of 4 world empires that have passed (2 which were yet future at the time of Daniel). Those 4 empires were Babylon, Media-Persia, Greece, and Rome (there are 2 other nations mentioned in the Bible that were significant empires, Egypt and Assyria, but not on the world scale). The first 3 world empires passed away in succession, as Daniel prophecied. The interesting thing is that the time period we are living in now, the time period since the death and resurrection of Jesus, is seen almost as a pause in between events, a time often called the "church age", during which the gospel would reach the entire world. Once the gospel has reached "every tribe, tongue, and nation", the world would have resumed a state very similar to the time before Jesus died: the Roman Empire would be back, and it would again be a world empire. 10 nations will rise in prominence out the divided, yet strong in some areas, kingdom, and 1 individual will rise (called the Antichrist, but actual name/person is unknown).

In an attempt to take control of the world, the Antichrist will promise peace and be a very persuasive leader, but his endgame is to conquer all and rule. His attempt will be successful at first. He will use political, religious, and economic unity of nations to bring into position a one world government. Politically, the union of nations (union of unions) will be necessary. Economically, one currency, and one world market and commerce system, will be employed. To control the thoughts of people, one religion, a massive ecumenical movement with the eventual false messiah worship of the Antichrist (similar to the Babylonian "mystery" religion, hence the usage of "Babylon" metaphorically in Revelation) will be employed.

That is not to say everyone will buy into the system the Antichrist sets up. Many will, but not all. The Jewish 144,000 converts at that time will not, nor will any of the new Christians at that time. And many people throughout the world won't either. Eventually, the eastern nations (possibly China and/or India) will mount a massive (1,000,000,000+ army, at least) to attack the Antichrist and his empire. The Antichrist will attack Israel, hoping to kill the Jews and the Christians there. All of this is occurring during the time of the Tribulation, a 7 year period in which great judgments are being brought upon the world, in increasing intensity, by God. These are all outlined in the book of Revelation in the bowl, seal, and trumpet judgments. The final judgment brings the return of Jesus Christ, who, in an instant, delivers the nation of Israel and defeats the Antichrist. This ushers in the 5th (or 7th) world empire, the final one, which will last 1,000 years on this earth, and it will be a time of peace and prosperity for all. Isaiah describes this time, the millennium, in his book.

What leads to the Tribulation, which marks the beginning of it, is what is referred to as "the Rapture". This is God taking out of the world, and thus sparing from the judgments if those 7 years, those who have been "born again" by repenting from sin and trusting in Him wholeheartedly. A foreshadowing of this took place in Genesis, when Lot was spared from the destruction of Sodom and Gommorah, and was taken out of the city and its suburbs before they completely destroyed. Or the example of the nation of Israel, and their settlement of Goshen, which was completely spared from the 10 plagues the Egyptians were struck with prior to the Exodus. Or even earlier than both of these examples, when the Flood was brought upon the entire wicked world, and Noah and his family were spared.

There are other prophecies and events, but to go into all of them in full detail takes time and space.

I wouldn't worry about all that now since the Bible also says that God will make the Jewish people as many as the sands on the beach and stars in the sky. So surely the world can't end until that happens. Earth probably can't support that many people so it'll have to wait until we've colonized other planets.
 

SirStev0

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This world has been at war since civilization started. Nothing special about that observation.
 

Auric

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Oct 11, 1999
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Originally posted by: Modelworks
I think this is a really quiet period in history as far as war is concerned.

Political boundaries are relatively large and stable at the mo' versus the extreme of tribal territories in constant flux. But at the same time that means more violence is internalized within each and exacerbated by larger populations. So, war betwixt states may be down but the killin' carries on.
 
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