Not seeing much difference between DVD and blu-ray

[pontifex]

I have a 42" vizio 1080p LCD HDTV and a PS3. I'm watching Transformers, which is a rated as a tier 0 reference quality blu-ray and I don't see much, if any, difference between it and the DVD version.

 

[nakedfrog]

Wow, that sucks for you. I'm not a videophile by any stretch, but the difference between upscaled DVD and a true 1080 source is easily apparent to me.

 

[abaez]

Then I guess blu ray isn't for you.

 

[YOyoYOhowsDAjello]

How far away are you from the screen?

Are you looking for differences in color as well as resolution?

How are you comparing one to the other?

 

[pontifex]

Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello
How far away are you from the screen?

Are you looking for differences in color as well as resolution?

How are you comparing one to the other?

About 10 feet

not really

playing a scene on Blu-ray then playing the same scene on DVD


Ok, some scenes are definitely better, but the majority I can't notice a difference.
for example, scenes with the transformers, especially close up, look better.

 

[sdifox]

ps3 does upscale dvds no? There is a significant difference between dvd and brd.

Mind you, Transformer DVD is a top notch transfer.

 

[pontifex]

why do some sites lists some movies as tier 0 and others as tier 1?

i have shoot em up (tier0) coming soon and i have the dvd for that so i compare that also. black hawk down (tier1) is coming today but i don't have that one on DVD.

 

[YOyoYOhowsDAjello]

Originally posted by: pontifex

Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello
How far away are you from the screen?

Are you looking for differences in color as well as resolution?

How are you comparing one to the other?

About 10 feet

That's too far to get the full benefit of 1080p for a screen that size.

According to this chart which I've used too much, at 10 feet away from a 42" screen, you'll only see some of the benefit of 720p over 480p, let alone 1080p vs. 720p.
http://s3.carltonbale.com/resolution_chart.html

 

[pontifex]

Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello

Originally posted by: pontifex

Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello
How far away are you from the screen?

Are you looking for differences in color as well as resolution?

How are you comparing one to the other?

About 10 feet

That's too far to get the full benefit of 1080p for a screen that size.

According to this chart which I've used too much, at 10 feet away from a 42" screen, you'll only see some of the benefit of 720p over 480p, let alone 1080p vs. 720p.
http://s3.carltonbale.com/resolution_chart.html

I don't understand

 

[YOyoYOhowsDAjello]

Originally posted by: pontifex

Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello

Originally posted by: pontifex

Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello
How far away are you from the screen?

Are you looking for differences in color as well as resolution?

How are you comparing one to the other?

About 10 feet

That's too far to get the full benefit of 1080p for a screen that size.

According to this chart which I've used too much, at 10 feet away from a 42" screen, you'll only see some of the benefit of 720p over 480p, let alone 1080p vs. 720p.
http://s3.carltonbale.com/resolution_chart.html

I don't understand

http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/Y...inch10feetistoofar.png

X-axis represents screen size
(your 42" screen size is marked in red now)

Y-axis represents your seating distance
(your 10' viewing distance is marked in black now)

The intersection of your screen size and viewing distance indicates what resolution you'll be able to resolve with 20/20 vision.

For example, with your 42" display (red vertical line), if you were to sit 15 feet away from it, you wouldn't be able to tell any difference between 480p and anything higher if you consider resolution only.

If you were sitting 5 feet away from the same 42" display (still on the red vertical line), you'd be able to fully resolve 1080p and would even see some benefit going higher (when 1440p is available... or whatever comes out next after 1080p).

At your 10 feet viewing distance, you're in the area between the green and blue lines, meaning that you will not be able to fully resolve 720p with 20/20 vision, but you will see some benefit over what a 480p signal would give you.

When considering resolution only, you are too far away from the TV to get the full benefit of 1080p and even too far away to get the full benefit of 720p.

 

[s44]

Your TV is too small.

42" at 10' was fine for SD because sitting closer didn't help. But there's a reason why we say here that you need *at least* 50" now.

Those of us who have adjusted to sitting at HD-quality distances laugh at the "DVD looks just as good" argument. It's nonsense.

Move your seat to 6' and see what it looks like.

 

[ChAoTiCpInOy]

They have some reference pictures on avsforums. Go look there and see the differences in the screenshots.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello

That's too far to get the full benefit of 1080p for a screen that size.

According to this chart which I've used too much, at 10 feet away from a 42" screen, you'll only see some of the benefit of 720p over 480p, let alone 1080p vs. 720p.
http://s3.carltonbale.com/resolution_chart.html

This is why I eagerly anticipate a 73" in the price range I'm comfortable with
(have a 65" currently)

 

[dainthomas]

Originally posted by: pontifex
I have a 42" vizio 1080p LCD HDTV and a PS3. I'm watching Transformers, which is a rated as a tier 0 reference quality blu-ray and I don't see much, if any, difference between it and the DVD version.

This will help.

 

[sdifox]

Resolution is not the only improvement. The colour reproduction is much better in BRD than in DVD.

 

[pontifex]

Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello

Originally posted by: pontifex

Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello

Originally posted by: pontifex

Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello
How far away are you from the screen?

Are you looking for differences in color as well as resolution?

How are you comparing one to the other?

About 10 feet

That's too far to get the full benefit of 1080p for a screen that size.

According to this chart which I've used too much, at 10 feet away from a 42" screen, you'll only see some of the benefit of 720p over 480p, let alone 1080p vs. 720p.
http://s3.carltonbale.com/resolution_chart.html

I don't understand

http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/Y...inch10feetistoofar.png

X-axis represents screen size
(your 42" screen size is marked in red now)

Y-axis represents your seating distance
(your 10' viewing distance is marked in black now)

The intersection of your screen size and viewing distance indicates what resolution you'll be able to resolve with 20/20 vision.

For example, with your 42" display (red vertical line), if you were to sit 15 feet away from it, you wouldn't be able to tell any difference between 480p and anything higher if you consider resolution only.

If you were sitting 5 feet away from the same 42" display (still on the red vertical line), you'd be able to fully resolve 1080p and would even see some benefit going higher (when 1440p is available... or whatever comes out next after 1080p).

At your 10 feet viewing distance, you're in the area between the green and blue lines, meaning that you will not be able to fully resolve 720p with 20/20 vision, but you will see some benefit over what a 480p signal would give you.

When considering resolution only, you are too far away from the TV to get the full benefit of 1080p and even too far away to get the full benefit of 720p.

this shit is retarded...

 

[ChAoTiCpInOy]

Search for Comparison/Pix

Go here and look at the screen shots.

 

[Thraxen]

Originally posted by: pontifex
this shit is retarded...

Heh... which part? That chart just shows how close you have to sit to a given screen size to see the full detail of a specific resolution. So for your 42" screen you would need to sit roughly 5.5 to 6 feet away, or closer, to see the full detail of 1080p resolution.

 

[pontifex]

Originally posted by: Thraxen

Originally posted by: pontifex
this shit is retarded...

Heh... which part? That chart just shows how close you have to sit to a given screen size to see the full detail of a specific resolution. So for your 42" screen you would need to sit roughly 5.5 to 6 feet away, or closer, to see the full detail of 1080p resolution.

it's retarded that you have to follow some stupid chart just to get good picture quality. i don't even understand the point of having blu-ray or hdtv resolutions if you have to sit that close or why they even make hdtvs in anytihng under 50" if it doesn't do a damn thing at all.

 

[Thraxen]

Originally posted by: pontifex
it's retarded that you have to follow some stupid chart just to get good picture quality. i don't even understand the point of having blu-ray or hdtv resolutions if you have to sit that close or why they even make hdtvs in anytihng under 50" if it doesn't do a damn thing at all.

Well, marketing for one. 1080p sounds better even if the person plans to use it in a situation where they can't take full advantage. Plus there are other uses. Some people may have them in bedrooms or as huge computer monitors where viewing distances may be much shorter. But, yeah, for your typical den/living room/home theater application I would definitely go bigger.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: pontifex

Originally posted by: Thraxen

Originally posted by: pontifex
this shit is retarded...

Heh... which part? That chart just shows how close you have to sit to a given screen size to see the full detail of a specific resolution. So for your 42" screen you would need to sit roughly 5.5 to 6 feet away, or closer, to see the full detail of 1080p resolution.

it's retarded that you have to follow some stupid chart just to get good picture quality. i don't even understand the point of having blu-ray or hdtv resolutions if you have to sit that close or why they even make hdtvs in anytihng under 50" if it doesn't do a damn thing at all.

Oh no, people should research things before they buy them!

 

[pontifex]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: pontifex

Originally posted by: Thraxen

Originally posted by: pontifex
this shit is retarded...

Heh... which part? That chart just shows how close you have to sit to a given screen size to see the full detail of a specific resolution. So for your 42" screen you would need to sit roughly 5.5 to 6 feet away, or closer, to see the full detail of 1080p resolution.

it's retarded that you have to follow some stupid chart just to get good picture quality. i don't even understand the point of having blu-ray or hdtv resolutions if you have to sit that close or why they even make hdtvs in anytihng under 50" if it doesn't do a damn thing at all.

Oh no, people should research things before they buy them!

sorry, but i don't see how sitting X feet from the TV, when it is X size, while standing on your head, reciting the Koran backwards, and farting amazing grace at the same time to get a good picture quality is research. it's a fucking tv and video player, not rocket science. it should look good at any distance.

i did enough research on actually choosing a tv that fit my budget and had the features i wanted. i shouldn't have to worry about distance and picture quality. its just retarded that it doesn't work at normal viewing distances.

they tout hdtv and blu-ray as so great, but no one tells you anything else. you shouldn't have to go to forums and learn formulas just to watch fucking tv.

 

[spidey07]

pontiflex, when selecting a TV the first thing anybody will ask you is "how far away do you sit".

If you can't see the differences in color alone, let alone resolution something is wrong.

 

[pontifex]

Originally posted by: spidey07
pontiflex, when selecting a TV the first thing anybody will ask you is "how far away do you sit".

If you can't see the differences in color alone, let alone resolution something is wrong.

funny, no one asked me that when i originally posted about getting a new tv here:

link

the guy at Dell didn't ask me when i ordered either.

 

[Thraxen]

Originally posted by: pontifex
sorry, but i don't see how sitting X feet from the TV, when it is X size, while standing on your head, reciting the Koran backwards, and farting amazing grace at the same time to get a good picture quality is research. it's a fucking tv and video player, not rocket science. it should look good at any distance.

i did enough research on actually choosing a tv that fit my budget and had the features i wanted. i shouldn't have to worry about distance and picture quality. its just retarded that it doesn't work at normal viewing distances.

they tout hdtv and blu-ray as so great, but no one tells you anything else. you shouldn't have to go to forums and learn formulas just to watch fucking tv.

To be fair though, this is sort of like complaining that no one told you that you couldn't read the book you just bought from 10 feet away. Granted, the TV is less obvious, but it's the same principle. This isn't some artificial limitation, but rather a limitation of the human eye.