yep, except for the close-ups of the transformers. they look better than DVD but the rest of the movie doesn't seem better than dvd
and this was at 10' too
Originally posted by: buck
Originally posted by: pontifex
Just watched Role Models one BD and that definitely looked better than DVD quality. It was really sharp and clear. I guess it depends on the movies too.
So you see a big difference in role models but not transformers?
Look into ffdshow post processing. I have two profiles (square and WS) setup to do bob deinterlacing, resizing with luma (Lanczos 2 tap) and chroma sharpening, followed by a gradual denoise.Originally posted by: randomlinh
No, it's "DVD is good enough." I know there's a difference. HD looks awesome too me, even the compressed crap. I just refuse to pay for it right now =)
Originally posted by: Rio Rebel
Your eyes see more detail at closer distances, and less detail at farther distances.
So science (specifically biology) is now "bs"?
Originally posted by: pontifex
Originally posted by: Rio Rebel
Your eyes see more detail at closer distances, and less detail at farther distances.
So science (specifically biology) is now "bs"?
no, but 10' vs. 6'?? it's that much of a difference. thats like 2 steps for me. i we were talking like 50' vs. 10', then i might agree with you.
Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello
Originally posted by: pontifex
Originally posted by: Rio Rebel
Your eyes see more detail at closer distances, and less detail at farther distances.
So science (specifically biology) is now "bs"?
no, but 10' vs. 6'?? it's that much of a difference. thats like 2 steps for me. i we were talking like 50' vs. 10', then i might agree with you.
10' to 6' is almost halving the distance.
For reference, a 42" display at 6' is a 28.5 degree viewing angle.
At 10 feet away, that's equivalent to a 70" display.
Saying sitting at 10 feet vs. 6 feet doesn't matter is about equivalent to saying that it doesn't matter if the TV is 42" or 70" if you were to stay at 10 feet away.
That's over 2.75 times the screen size.
Originally posted by: PurdueRy
Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello
Originally posted by: pontifex
Originally posted by: Rio Rebel
Your eyes see more detail at closer distances, and less detail at farther distances.
So science (specifically biology) is now "bs"?
no, but 10' vs. 6'?? it's that much of a difference. thats like 2 steps for me. i we were talking like 50' vs. 10', then i might agree with you.
10' to 6' is almost halving the distance.
For reference, a 42" display at 6' is a 28.5 degree viewing angle.
At 10 feet away, that's equivalent to a 70" display.
Saying sitting at 10 feet vs. 6 feet doesn't matter is about equivalent to saying that it doesn't matter if the TV is 42" or 70" if you were to stay at 10 feet away.
That's over 2.75 times the screen size.
At this point he really doesn't want to see a difference. Once you get to that point there is no standing for reason. Kinda like those reviews of how power cables/digital interconnects really improved the "tightness" of their bass and "widened the soundstage" and sounded more "transparent"
Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello
Originally posted by: pontifex
Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello
How far away are you from the screen?
Are you looking for differences in color as well as resolution?
How are you comparing one to the other?
About 10 feet
That's too far to get the full benefit of 1080p for a screen that size.
According to this chart which I've used too much, at 10 feet away from a 42" screen, you'll only see some of the benefit of 720p over 480p, let alone 1080p vs. 720p.
http://s3.carltonbale.com/resolution_chart.html
Originally posted by: techwanabe
If the difference is so little to you, then just don't waste any more money on Bluray movies.
/topic
Originally posted by: pontifex
Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Originally posted by: pontifex
Originally posted by: Thraxen
Originally posted by: pontifex
this shit is retarded...
Heh... which part? That chart just shows how close you have to sit to a given screen size to see the full detail of a specific resolution. So for your 42" screen you would need to sit roughly 5.5 to 6 feet away, or closer, to see the full detail of 1080p resolution.
it's retarded that you have to follow some stupid chart just to get good picture quality. i don't even understand the point of having blu-ray or hdtv resolutions if you have to sit that close or why they even make hdtvs in anytihng under 50" if it doesn't do a damn thing at all.
Oh no, people should research things before they buy them!
sorry, but i don't see how sitting X feet from the TV, when it is X size, while standing on your head, reciting the Koran backwards, and farting amazing grace at the same time to get a good picture quality is research. it's a fucking tv and video player, not rocket science. it should look good at any distance.
i did enough research on actually choosing a tv that fit my budget and had the features i wanted. i shouldn't have to worry about distance and picture quality. its just retarded that it doesn't work at normal viewing distances.
they tout hdtv and blu-ray as so great, but no one tells you anything else. you shouldn't have to go to forums and learn formulas just to watch fucking tv.
Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
Originally posted by: pontifex
Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Originally posted by: pontifex
Originally posted by: Thraxen
Originally posted by: pontifex
this shit is retarded...
Heh... which part? That chart just shows how close you have to sit to a given screen size to see the full detail of a specific resolution. So for your 42" screen you would need to sit roughly 5.5 to 6 feet away, or closer, to see the full detail of 1080p resolution.
it's retarded that you have to follow some stupid chart just to get good picture quality. i don't even understand the point of having blu-ray or hdtv resolutions if you have to sit that close or why they even make hdtvs in anytihng under 50" if it doesn't do a damn thing at all.
Oh no, people should research things before they buy them!
sorry, but i don't see how sitting X feet from the TV, when it is X size, while standing on your head, reciting the Koran backwards, and farting amazing grace at the same time to get a good picture quality is research. it's a fucking tv and video player, not rocket science. it should look good at any distance.
i did enough research on actually choosing a tv that fit my budget and had the features i wanted. i shouldn't have to worry about distance and picture quality. its just retarded that it doesn't work at normal viewing distances.
they tout hdtv and blu-ray as so great, but no one tells you anything else. you shouldn't have to go to forums and learn formulas just to watch fucking tv.
Okay, try this: Sit 10 feet away from your computer monitor. Can you read a thread on Anandtech from that distance? Of course you can't, because it's too small. You can SEE a picture on the monitor, but you can't pick out small details unless you get closer.
A TV is exactly the same. Doesn't matter if it's HD or not.
edit: Just read the rest of the thread, and saw others have said this exact same thing.
Originally posted by: kalrith
Originally posted by: techwanabe
If the difference is so little to you, then just don't waste any more money on Bluray movies.
/topic
I agree. I have a friend who sits 10 feet from a 37". There's no reason for him to spend a lot of money buying a BD player and replacing his DVDs.
Pontifex, most of us on here are not trying to put you down but are trying to reason with you. You seem to not want to listen to reason [i.e. at the same given screen size (42"), a high-resolution picture (1920x1080) will look noticeably better than a low-resolution picture (852x480) at close distances (6 feet); however, once you are far enough away (12 feet) from the 42" screen size that the human eye is only capable of resolving 852x480 resolution, then the two pictures will look very much the same].
So, if I were you, I would do one of the following:I want to point out that I'm not patronizing you with #3. You don't have to follow the viewing-distance recommendations in order to enjoy your TV. If you're happy with it, then just check out of this thread and enjoy watching it. If exchanging the TV and moving your seating position are not options, then they just aren't options.
- 1. Move closer (about 6 feet) to current TV.
2. Exchange TV for larger TV (assuming you bought it from somewhere with a good return policy; also, as others have stated 50" 720p plasmas can be had for around $900)
3. Stop reading this thread and enjoy watching your DVDs
The #1 most important factor to TV viewing is that you enjoy it. That's why I didn't even bother asking your viewing distance in the other thread, because you seemed to be totally against going above a 32" screen size. I did point out that I love sitting 9 feet from my 50" TV. However, I've found that letting people choose what the want often has a better outcome than telling them that they should get something that they don't want. Not everyone wants to have a movie-like experience in their livingroom, and some people just can't accept that.
You just answered your own question, then. You can read ATOT on your TV, because it's BIGGER. It stretches everything out so you can see the details that are crammed together on the smaller one.Originally posted by: pontifex
Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
Originally posted by: pontifex
Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Originally posted by: pontifex
Originally posted by: Thraxen
Originally posted by: pontifex
this shit is retarded...
Heh... which part? That chart just shows how close you have to sit to a given screen size to see the full detail of a specific resolution. So for your 42" screen you would need to sit roughly 5.5 to 6 feet away, or closer, to see the full detail of 1080p resolution.
it's retarded that you have to follow some stupid chart just to get good picture quality. i don't even understand the point of having blu-ray or hdtv resolutions if you have to sit that close or why they even make hdtvs in anytihng under 50" if it doesn't do a damn thing at all.
Oh no, people should research things before they buy them!
sorry, but i don't see how sitting X feet from the TV, when it is X size, while standing on your head, reciting the Koran backwards, and farting amazing grace at the same time to get a good picture quality is research. it's a fucking tv and video player, not rocket science. it should look good at any distance.
i did enough research on actually choosing a tv that fit my budget and had the features i wanted. i shouldn't have to worry about distance and picture quality. its just retarded that it doesn't work at normal viewing distances.
they tout hdtv and blu-ray as so great, but no one tells you anything else. you shouldn't have to go to forums and learn formulas just to watch fucking tv.
Okay, try this: Sit 10 feet away from your computer monitor. Can you read a thread on Anandtech from that distance? Of course you can't, because it's too small. You can SEE a picture on the monitor, but you can't pick out small details unless you get closer.
A TV is exactly the same. Doesn't matter if it's HD or not.
edit: Just read the rest of the thread, and saw others have said this exact same thing.
but my monitor is less than half the size of my tv...if i put ATOT on my tv, i can read it at 10'...
Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
You just answered your own question, then. You can read ATOT on your TV, because it's BIGGER. It stretches everything out so you can see the details that are crammed together on the smaller one.Originally posted by: pontifex
Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
Originally posted by: pontifex
Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Originally posted by: pontifex
Originally posted by: Thraxen
Originally posted by: pontifex
this shit is retarded...
Heh... which part? That chart just shows how close you have to sit to a given screen size to see the full detail of a specific resolution. So for your 42" screen you would need to sit roughly 5.5 to 6 feet away, or closer, to see the full detail of 1080p resolution.
it's retarded that you have to follow some stupid chart just to get good picture quality. i don't even understand the point of having blu-ray or hdtv resolutions if you have to sit that close or why they even make hdtvs in anytihng under 50" if it doesn't do a damn thing at all.
Oh no, people should research things before they buy them!
sorry, but i don't see how sitting X feet from the TV, when it is X size, while standing on your head, reciting the Koran backwards, and farting amazing grace at the same time to get a good picture quality is research. it's a fucking tv and video player, not rocket science. it should look good at any distance.
i did enough research on actually choosing a tv that fit my budget and had the features i wanted. i shouldn't have to worry about distance and picture quality. its just retarded that it doesn't work at normal viewing distances.
they tout hdtv and blu-ray as so great, but no one tells you anything else. you shouldn't have to go to forums and learn formulas just to watch fucking tv.
Okay, try this: Sit 10 feet away from your computer monitor. Can you read a thread on Anandtech from that distance? Of course you can't, because it's too small. You can SEE a picture on the monitor, but you can't pick out small details unless you get closer.
A TV is exactly the same. Doesn't matter if it's HD or not.
edit: Just read the rest of the thread, and saw others have said this exact same thing.
but my monitor is less than half the size of my tv...if i put ATOT on my tv, i can read it at 10'...
Same thing goes from DVD to HDTV 1080P. Only the difference isn't quite that dramatic. But it should be there.
I don't know how good your TV is supposed to be....I know Vizio isn't exactly a top-notch HDTV, but I'd still think you should see the difference. Maybe you just don't have a discerning-enough eye?
Have you tried calibrating the TV properly? Maybe your BR disc has a calibration setup deal in the menu somewhere.
Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
^Most TV's are set on "blow torch" mode from the factory, so they'll jump out at you in brightly-lit stores. They usually need to have brightness and contrast turned down to see everything properly. I've seen some BR's that have a calibration place on the menu.....sort of like the THX Optimizer that's on a lot of DVD's.
Originally posted by: PurdueRy
Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
^Most TV's are set on "blow torch" mode from the factory, so they'll jump out at you in brightly-lit stores. They usually need to have brightness and contrast turned down to see everything properly. I've seen some BR's that have a calibration place on the menu.....sort of like the THX Optimizer that's on a lot of DVD's.
Only problem is the THX optimizer is very limited unless you have their filter glasses.
If you care enough Pontifix I would just get DVE on blu-ray. You might be able to get it from netflix.
http://www.amazon.com/Digital-...&qid=1243964338&sr=8-1
Originally posted by: pontifex
and when i sit the specified 6 feet away and still don't notice a difference, then what?
Originally posted by: techwanabe
Well, I can somewhat relate to what Pont says. I bought a Samsung 46" LN46A650 LCD TV a year ago. However, the first Bluray I watched was Meet The Robinsons and I was astonished at the crisp level of detail I could see in the CG movie. I'd estimate viewing distance at 8 feet or so. Since then I"ve rented a variety of movies from Netflix and at least half of them were rather unimpressive - and didn't show off the clarity I expected.
Netflixed has now raised the cost of renting BR movies twice and I've downgraded my service twice, and shut off BR rentals to save money for now. MY PS3 upscales DVD well enough to enjoy them and some movies don't look all that much better in BR depending on the movie. I used to read peoples comments about BR not being worth it and DVD is fine for many people in threads arguing that BR dics will not replace DVD's. I can see their points after watching a good sample of BR movies now. It really does depend on the disc - some are amazing and others mediocre. I did just watch Planet Earth and that was quite good btw and a visual treat in BR.