Note3 11% faster touch response than competitors.(Gestures off, touch sensiti...

[MrX8503]

Tests show that iPhone 5 is rated at 50ms while competitors are at 100ms. This is the kind of lag I just can't shake when using an Android device. I suspect most people don't notice because they haven't experienced a responsive screen.

http://thenextweb.com/apple/2013/09...inds-iphone-5-2x-faster-than-android-devices/

100+ms input lag on Galaxy Note 2
http://*********/_MyfkypkNWk

I agree with the youtuber that this is not ok/normal.

Edit: The Note3 is the fastest with tweaks, followed by MS surface pro, and iPhone 5S.

 

[Ravynmagi]

I wish they included a Nexus 4, I'm curious if that would do better than some of those other Androids.

I use an iPad 4 and iPhone 4S along with a Nexus 4 and Nexus 7 2013 daily. I don't think I notice a difference. It may be there, but Android's touch screen response seems plenty fast to me, at least on the Nexus devices.

 

[T_Yamamoto]

Gnex vs iPhone 5, no difference to me.

Im sure to the average user, it wont matter/they wont realize.

 

[dawheat]

Just tried this on my Nexus 4 running JB4.3 and it seemed to snap right away. I do wish they had included some Nexus phones as well as a GE S4 for comparison.

 

[zerogear]

Yawn. Makes no difference to me and I switch between ipad and my SGS4 on a daily basis.

 

[chimaxi83]

Damn, that's sooo many milliseconds.

 

[MrX8503]

Just tried this on my Nexus 4 running JB4.3 and it seemed to snap right away. I do wish they had included some Nexus phones as well as a GE S4 for comparison.

The tests show the GS4 at 114ms.

 

[Ravynmagi]

The tests show the GS4 at 114ms.

He meant Google Edition. The curiosity is how much is TouchWiz or Sense slowing down touch response, if any. Moto X has a pretty light UI though and it seems to have done the worst.

 

[openwheel]

Oh my God. I don't feel a difference between iPhone 5 and Nexus 7. I should get my fingers checked.

 

[Ravynmagi]

With earlier versions of Android, touch responsiveness was an annoyance for me. But since Android 4.1 and Project Butter it feels like the issue is mostly solved now.

 

[Mr. Pedantic]

With some phones (such as the not-so-late SGS) it wasn't latency that bothered me so much as responsiveness - many touches won't register at all, and it's an immense pain using the device for anything.

Compared to that, 50ms additional latency, it just doesn't feel very significant at all.

 

[Crono]

If it was hundreds of milliseconds it would be an issue, but ~ 100ms isn't a huge deal.

Once you start adding in other UI delays like animations for both operating systems (by default, anyway) you really aren't noticing the difference, except side-by-side.

The iPhone 5 does feel more responsive, fluid, and quicker than Android, but all the Android flagships are close enough to iOS that it really doesn't make a huge difference unless you are obsessive or looking for things to nitpick. Screen size difference is going to make a bigger difference for a lot more users than "touchscreen response" which isn't a factor unless it is noticeably bad.

 

[mikegg]

I noticed a difference going from galaxy Nexus to iPhone 5.

 

[MrX8503]

100ms is slow as shit. Although I would agree that most people either don't notice or care.

You can see 100 vs 50 vs 10 vs 1ms here. I would say the iPhone is around 50ms.
http://youtu.be/vOvQCPLkPt4

 

[Mr. Pedantic]

100ms is slow as shit. Although I would agree that most people either don't notice or care.

You can see 100 vs 50 vs 10 vs 1ms here. I would say the iPhone is around 50ms.
http://youtu.be/vOvQCPLkPt4

Well, yes, but before you pointed it out I never really noticed it before.

It's not that bad. Not compared to some of the other travesties we have going on in typical flagship Android phones, anyhow.

 

[pantsaregood]

Average response time of the Lumia 920/925/928/1020 screen is apparently 9ms.

I will say that 100ms (and even 50ms) is pretty unacceptably high. Running a guitar through an audio interface and setting up active playback through speakers is intolerable and disorienting above ~15ms.

 

[AnMig]

my galaxy note 2 running jellybean rom (touchwiz rom) is nowhere laggy compared to that video, maybe its samsung touchwiz.

 

[QueBert]

input lag sucks, I notice it on my iPhone, and I really notice it on Android. I wish I was one of those people who's eyes and brain don't notice 100ms latency. I have the same problem with LCD's that's one of the big reasons I'm still on a CRT.

 

[dma0991]

I suspect most people don't notice because they haven't experienced a responsive screen.

Its called the Nexus 4. It wouldn't surpass iPhone 5 in terms of responsiveness but I could assure you that Google has done a fantastic job with Project Butter and the difference is very noticeable having used a Samsung with Froyo to a Nexus 4 with 4.3 installed. I've never liked Android devices but Nexus is an exception as it has stock Android.

I have tried Note and Note 2 and it does lag a lot and doesn't hold a candle against the Nexus 4 when it comes to responsiveness. The problem lies with the fact that Android phone makers does not emphasize on GPU performance. Even if they do, its usually pushing a much larger or higher PPI screen than the iPhone 5, reducing performance advantage the stronger GPU.

 

[mavere]

I wish I was one of those people who's eyes and brain don't notice 100ms latency

I think anyone with a normally working visual system would notice that much latency.

For example, a 100+ ms delay in audio in a movie would drive most insane.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Yeah. 100ms input lag in video games would drive people insane too. I swear, people are just working blind or something.

TBH, 100ms is a huge improvement from older Android phones. The Nexus 4 is pretty decent. However, compared to my iPhone 5 its noticeable day and night.

Here's what's likely to happen in future Android handsets: The touch response will improve to 50ms, and the crowd will go "omg this is SOOO much faster now. there is no speed gap between iOS and Android, blah blah blah." Just like people said the 2012 phones were just as fast as iPhones and the same with 2011, they always looked back and said "well those phones weren't as good as this year's."\

Also I'm not sure what app they tested in, but Google Maps is probably the best indicator of touch lag... It's well over 100ms I'm sure on Android phones.

Oh my God. I don't feel a difference between iPhone 5 and Nexus 7. I should get my fingers checked.

You're probably just being dishonest.

Its called the Nexus 4. It wouldn't surpass iPhone 5 in terms of responsiveness but I could assure you that Google has done a fantastic job with Project Butter and the difference is very noticeable having used a Samsung with Froyo to a Nexus 4 with 4.3 installed. I've never liked Android devices but Nexus is an exception as it has stock Android.

I have tried Note and Note 2 and it does lag a lot and doesn't hold a candle against the Nexus 4 when it comes to responsiveness. The problem lies with the fact that Android phone makers does not emphasize on GPU performance. Even if they do, its usually pushing a much larger or higher PPI screen than the iPhone 5, reducing performance advantage the stronger GPU.

Yes I agree Google has done a great job. AOSP is much faster and responsive feeling compared to TouchWiz. However, everytime people bring up GPU, I call BS. Windows Phones were responsive and fluid with 1ghz cores and Adreno 205 GPUs. You do not need some state of the art GPU to make the UI smooth. Hell the iPhone 4 and its weakass GPU achieved 60 fps smoothness long time ago. It's only recent OSes that have become more bloated show the age of that phone.

 

[Crono]

I don't know why people are comparing milliseconds in different contexts. The fact that someone had to show us the lag in slow motion in a YouTube video tells you it's not a major complaint.

Would I like to see it get better? Sure, why not. But I have a Windows Phone and have used many Apple devices and input lag superiority on those devices has never been an influencing factor. Input lag is not directly comparable to seeing audio/video desynchronization, which we human beings have less tolerance for, nor is it the same on a touch operating system's UI as for gamers in a FPS where 5 ms is the difference between a kill and being killed.

Again, yes, I would like to see it improved on Android, but "iPhone 5 touchscreen response 2x faster than competitors" is not a headline that makes me do anything more than give a slight shrug. I would be happy with incremental improvements with each new generation of Android hardware and software. Like I posted earlier, you spend more time looking at animations and transitions than you do waiting for the onscreen elements to catch up with your touch gestures. /zoom in, zoom out

 

[Fingolfin269]

This makes a huge difference in Super Street Fighter 20 pocket tablet edition!

 

[dma0991]

Yes I agree Google has done a great job. AOSP is much faster and responsive feeling compared to TouchWiz. However, everytime people bring up GPU, I call BS. Windows Phones were responsive and fluid with 1ghz cores and Adreno 205 GPUs. You do not need some state of the art GPU to make the UI smooth. Hell the iPhone 4 and its weakass GPU achieved 60 fps smoothness long time ago. It's only recent OSes that have become more bloated show the age of that phone.

Windows Mobile OS doesn't take much to be smooth. Just look how simple the UI is built. Everything is flat and monotone colors(bland), which is easy to render. Android on the other hand tries to emulate the look of iOS that is more graphically taxing with a lesser performing GPU.

Android OS is far more versatile than iOS, you can't expect it to not be a resource hog. By installing newer iOS version, you add more functionality to old hardware. iPhone 4 with new version of iOS are what Android phones are like. They want the look but not the willingness of ensuring that the hardware could keep up.

 

[lopri]

I wonder how long this iOS v. Android devices comparison threads will go on here. Aren't most of you settled on a platform already? Of course many of you have more than one portable devices but I suspect that those devices belong to different categories. (i.e. "I have an Android phone and an iPad", not "I have an iPhone and an Android phone")

YES! I know there are exceptions. But other than those few, my impression is that power users who have experienced iOS/Android for a period of time (say, a year or more) are now pretty much settled on a platform.

I know how great iOS devices are and its many advantages over Android devices, but I have no desire to use them personally. It doesn't mean that I will stop anyone from enjoying them. And I don't mind having an iPad around the house for my family. But for my personal use, it's a non-starter for reasons many here probably know intimately.

It's like Mac v. PC in that no matter how dazzling a Mac looks to me I know I won't use one. It will take something HUGE for me to choose iOS devices for my personal use. And knowing Apple, frankly, that something will never happen. A few ms faster rendering or whatever is not going to make me think twice about my choice. It doesn't mean I don't appreciate Apple's accomplishment - I saw the new Gallery(?) feature on iOS7 and was amazed how it handles hundreds of photos so smooth. Would I like something like that on my Nexus 4? You bet. Will I dump my Nexus devices and get an iPhone? Hell no.

How many of you cross-shop between iOS and Android or consider both when you choose your next device or an upgrade, assuming you have been using one of them for a year or longer? If so, does 50 ms v. 100 ms difference come into play (among countless other things)? I am quite curious.

So I find these threads ultimately unhelpful, and even childish. By "these threads" I mean threads that are essentially Internet ego fighting via proxy of one's choice of device. It doesn't take a genius to know that a subject such as "My phone can do this! Yours cannot!" will hardly spark an intelligent discussion.

Earlier this year I suggested an Android sub-forum for more robust discussions and learning experiences on AT but apparently the moderators/directors did not deem it worthy/necessary. I wonder how many people went to different forums because it is very hard to get help in this forum.