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dma0991

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My phone is a 2012 model. In fact, it was the flagship 2012 model, from a company owned by Google. Given that it has almost 4X the MHz of the iPhone 4, it's pretty sad that the iPhone 4 still beats it in terms of UI navigation even when running iOS 7.
Motorola is owned by Google but they have no affiliation other than that(the Moto X is a testament to that). I never made claims that 4.1 offered a good stutter free UI. It has to be stock Android, 4.2.2 onwards and a Nexus device such as the Nexus 4.

I doubt that the iPhone 4 would be any good on iOS 7. You have to put it side with the iPhone 5/5S to really see that even iPhone 4 suffers from stutters with a newer OS. I have an iPod Touch 4, similar A4 chip with the iPhone 4 and I never upgraded it beyond 5.1.1. I have tried a friend's iPad 2 with 6.1.3 and it was stuttering. The hardware was showing its age and I can't imagine how bad it would be if I had upgraded to 6.1.3 on my iPod Touch 4.
 

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Motorola is owned by Google but they have no affiliation other than that
Huh?

I doubt that the iPhone 4 would be any good on iOS 7. You have to put it side with the iPhone 5/5S to really see that even iPhone 4 suffers from stutters with a newer OS. I have an iPod Touch 4, similar A4 chip with the iPhone 4 and I never upgraded it beyond 5.1.1. I have tried a friend's iPad 2 with 6.1.3 and it was stuttering. The hardware was showing its age and I can't imagine how bad it would be if I had upgraded to 6.1.3 on my iPod Touch 4.
I don't have to imagine, since I own both an iPhone 4 and an iPad 2, both in iOS 7. In fact I even made a video of iOS 7 on the iPhone 4.

https://vimeo.com/74929913

iOS 7 is very good on the iPad 2, and is OK on the iPhone 4, at least in terms of UI navigation, and both are better than the RAZR HD running 4.1. By the way, I also own a Nexus 7 (2012), which is decent with 4.3, probably in the same ballpark as the iPad 2 with iOS 7.

iPhone 4 is garbage running iOS 7. It can't even properly run Siri.
Uh, the iPhone 4 has never supported Siri at all, in any OS.
 

ponyo

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I'm not running a Samsung phone, and I don't want to use custom ROMs.

I'm running a Motorola RAZR HD, which is near-stock 4.1. Near-stock is good, because I don't like TouchWiz so much, although I do appreciate the hardware home button.


My phone is a 2012 model. In fact, it was the flagship 2012 model, from a company owned by Google. Given that it has almost 4X the MHz of the iPhone 4, it's pretty sad that the iPhone 4 still beats it in terms of UI navigation even when running iOS 7.

My iPhone 5S is already on order.

I find that hard to believe. My Galaxy Nexus is still fast with stock 4.3. In fact the GNex is so good that I really don't feel the need to upgrade. I feel like I can go another 2 years on this phone. That said, I ordered iPhone 5s also. I'm looking forward to trying it out and comparing it with Nexus 5 next month.
 

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I find that hard to believe. My Galaxy Nexus is still fast with stock 4.3. In fact the GNex is so good that I really don't feel the need to upgrade. I feel like I can go another 2 years on this phone. That said, I ordered iPhone 5s also. I'm looking forward to trying it out and comparing it with Nexus 5 next month.
Believe it. I think it's in large part due to lack of TRIM though, because it has slowed down over time.

I don't have the 4.3 option on this phone, and I don't feel like waiting until next year to get it either. TRIM didn't come to Android until 4.3.

Given that, and the fact that I find Android in general to be less polished, the use of 3rd party apps on Android more hit and miss, because I prefer smaller phones (I think 4 - 4.3" is probably ideal for me), and because of the the cool finger print scanner on the 5S, it was a no brainer decision for me.

Yes, it's a no brainer for me even though I have to pay full price for the iPhone 5S off contract.
 

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That is not to say the iPhone 4 isn't laggy in iOS 6.1.3 or iOS 7. It does lag from time to time. So I did turn off some of the eye candy to improve performance on the iPhone 4. I didn't bother doing that on the iPad 2 though since it's seems fine.

My point wasn't that the iPhone 4 was perfect. My point was that the iPhone 4 is more than usable in OS 7, and better than a dual-core Krait with nearly twice the clock-speed running JB 4.1.

However, being a gadget geek that doesn't like stuttering, I'm getting a 5S.
 

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I've noticed this lag on android devices as well. It's just enough to add a slight feel of disconnectedness or "mushyness" (for want of a better word) to android devices vs. apple devices. It's not a big deal to me though. Love my nexus 7 2013 even though it also exhibits this lag.
 
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WelshBloke

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I'm not talking about rooted devices with third party apps, if that's what you're getting at.

No. Samsung phones have had trim for awhile, I'm sure that they probably aren't the only ones as well.
 

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No. Samsung phones have had trim for awhile, I'm sure that they probably aren't the only ones as well.
Well, I was talking native Android, not skinned manufacturer versions, but are you sure at Samsung? Cuz LagFix was a popular rooted app for the Galaxy S III.
 

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Well, I was talking native Android, not skinned manufacturer versions, but are you sure at Samsung? Cuz LagFix was a popular rooted app for the Galaxy S III.

Lagfix does nothing on an S3 with a TouchWiz ROM.

Nexus devices and the newer HTC one's have the problem that I know of. Theres probably a bunch of others as well. I couldn't talk for Moto devices, no ah heck over here owns them.
 
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Well, I was talking native Android, not skinned manufacturer versions, but are you sure at Samsung? Cuz LagFix was a popular rooted app for the Galaxy S III.

People need to stop calling touchwiz and sense a "skin". It runs far deeper than a skin. Maybe motoblur is a skin. I don't know.

I had 2 Nexus phones in a row. while the newest version of android was great and all. I found that sense on a older version was more feature packed and usable than AOSP. From the crappy camera app, to the lack of lockscreen shortcuts, to terrible music player, to lack of codecs, the list goes on.

My One S on 4.1.1 is far more usable to me than my old Nexus 4 on 4.3. Same with the GPe Devices. I'd take sense or touchwiz over AOSP. Also chrome on android sucks.

EDIT: Looks like I've made this about UI lol.

Also Android users aren't the only ones claiming the the newest phones are faster than the old ones. This nonsese about the iphone 5S being blazing fast. How can anything be smoother than the iphone 5? I mean really. it is 100% smooth (or so would some people would have you balive) but iPhone 5S is faster?
 
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Also Android users aren't the only ones claiming the the newest phones are faster than the old ones. This nonsese about the iphone 5S being blazing fast. How can anything be smoother than the iphone 5? I mean really. it is 100% smooth (or so would some people would have you balive) but iPhone 5S is faster?

Yes this always makes me laugh. 100% smooth... until the next one comes out, then that one is 100% smooth.
 

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I've played with an iphone 5 before and i can't tell the difference between any lag compared to my HTC One. This controversy is manufacturered.
 

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Yes this always makes me laugh. 100% smooth... until the next one comes out, then that one is 100% smooth.

Yah. I was at some other forums (not here @AT Forums), and noticed a similar trend as well. In iPhone sections, they say they have to upgrade to 5s because their old iPhones are laggy. Then the same folks go to different sections and claim (have claimed) how their current/older iPhones are totally lag-free. :biggrin:
 

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Yah. I was at some other forums (not here @AT Forums), and noticed a similar trend as well. In iPhone sections, they say they have to upgrade to 5s because their old iPhones are laggy. Then the same folks go to different sections and claim (have claimed) how their current/older iPhones are totally lag-free. :biggrin:

Makes me think of this

http://theoatmeal.com/comics/apple
 

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Also Android users aren't the only ones claiming the the newest phones are faster than the old ones. This nonsese about the iphone 5S being blazing fast. How can anything be smoother than the iphone 5? I mean really. it is 100% smooth (or so would some people would have you balive) but iPhone 5S is faster?

iPhones get slower with every OS upgrade. For example iOS7 on an iPhone 4 is on the slow side.

As for the 5 vs 5S, speed is very similar on iOS7 with the exception of app loading times and gaming.
 

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lol

I look forward to more threads by iOS fans looking to stir up trouble. This stuff is high comedy.

What about countless threads by Android fans looking to stir trouble?


Rubbish other platforms off if that's what you feel you need to do, but don't try and make out your better, and thats the basic problem, people doing the same thing they complain about others doing.
 

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I repeat. The iPhone 4 was not good enough to run Siri I from the get-go, and is slow as hell running latest iOS versions.

It never ends. I find this thread hilarious. 50ms, please...!
 

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Actually, Siri was hacked to run (with bugs) on a jailbroken iPhone 4. Remember Siri wasn't an Apple invention. It was a 3rd party app called Siri Personal Assistant that ran just fine on the iPhone 3GS.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpjpVAB06O4

Apple then bought the company and tarted the app up and integrated it into the OS. When Apple launched iPhone 4S, they killed the app on the app store. So, wrong again, but thanks for playing.
 
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I wouldn't consider 4.1 to be the turning point that made Android smooth. The Asus Fonepad that I've used had 4.1.2 and it does stutter. GS2 with CM10.1 is very responsive but that's only because much of the bloatware that Samsung put in was removed.


Apple knew what they need to emphasize to overcome that bloat(new features). Most Androids have bloat but not the hardware to run it. Android never had the upper hand when it came to performance, CPU or GPU. Manufacturers are too busy with the moar cores war(because its easier to market) instead of having fewer but stronger cores.

Some of the blame should go to Google for lack of optimization(in the early days), much of the blame should go to the manufacturers. I cringe every time I see a laggy Android device that isn't a Nexus. I would only choose a Nexus because its the closest to iOS(smoothness, timely updates, simple).

Not necessarily true. Stock Android used to be terribly unoptimized. The Droid 1 ran like crap, even when overclocked. The Droid Eris was actually faster in many cases because of its lower resolution and HTC optimized the device with Sense.

I do feel that the HTC One running Sense is smoother than AOSP Android. Samsung's browsers in the GS2/3 era were hardware accelerated and thus offered a much better scrolling experience than the AOSP browser/Chrome.

I think there's some good and bad with these manufacturers. It's not all bad.

I repeat. The iPhone 4 was not good enough to run Siri I from the get-go, and is slow as hell running latest iOS versions.

It never ends. I find this thread hilarious. 50ms, please...!

Was it really not good enough to run Siri, or is that just what Apple told you? It's more likely this was a marketing strategy to push people onto the 4S. I hacked my iPod Touch 4G to run Siri. It ran just fine. There's no speed issue there.

As for the latest iOS revisions, they've definitely gotten more resource demanding, however iOS 4 and 5 ran BEAUTIFULLY and at 60 fps on an iPhone 4. That's not the same as a Galaxy S1 or Nexus S which has struggled from day 1 til now to run any version of Android at 60 fps.

Yes this always makes me laugh. 100% smooth... until the next one comes out, then that one is 100% smooth.

Uhh, this is what Android users say too.

I'm pretty confident the 4S was running 100% smooth at its release. The iPhone 5 was running 100% smoothly at its release, and so is the iPhone 5S now. The issue is that over time the OS requires more resources. iOS 5 => iOS 6 => iOS 7 is a clear indicator of this.

But if you go through the same progression, Galaxy S2 => Galaxy S3 => Galaxy S4 all their launch OSes, you can see a clear smoothness difference. Even if you made sure their OS was the same across the board, using the most favorable OS for smoothness, Android 4.3, there's a clear difference.
 
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People need to stop calling touchwiz and sense a "skin". It runs far deeper than a skin.
Ok, a fork then.

Maybe motoblur is a skin. I don't know.
Not sure, but I don't think Motorola even uses the Motoblur name anymore, since their OS is very near stock. They icons and stuff are a bit different, and the little bit of added functionality come mainly as apps.

In fact, out of all the big manufacturers that sell to North America, Motorola's OS is the closest to stock. I suspect they chose to scrap Motoblur because it was a bloated mess and got bad reviews, and well, they're owned by Google.

Note, I have not used the Moto X, so I'm not entirely sure how much of their new features change things from stock. However, I'm told it's still near stock.


Lagfix does nothing on an S3 with a TouchWiz ROM.
Placebo effect is a powerful thing I guess then. I was just reporting what I had read before. In fact, I wouldn't be shocked if Samsung users downloaded it the most, simply because Samsung users are amongst the most numerous Android users.
 
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