Notebook computers with i5-8269U or i5-8259U?

NormAtHome

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I'm looking for a new notebook computer for a friend of mine and I was looking both at the local computer store (MicroCenter) and on Amazon and it seems like I can't find any notebooks with an 8th generation Intel i5 other than the i5-8250U 1.6Ghz cpu. Of course there are some gaming notebooks with cpu's like the i5-8300H but those are more than $1,000 which is not in her budget. Intel's mobile processor comparison chart lists an i5-8269U and an i5-8259U both of which were supposed to be released in the 2nd quarter of 2018 which was almost a year ago; both of those cpu's have a base frequency of 2.3Ghz or higher but I can't find any notebooks anywhere that use these cpu's nor can I find any reason why there aren't any. Does anyone have any insight into this?
 

NormAtHome

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Ok, that's interesting because these two cpu's have better specs than the 8250U but I don't get why make a mobile cpu that's not going to be used in a mobile computer but I guess it is what it is and I'll have to go with the 8250U.
 

heymrdj

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Ok, that's interesting because these two cpu's have better specs than the 8250U but I don't get why make a mobile cpu that's not going to be used in a mobile computer but I guess it is what it is and I'll have to go with the 8250U.

There are lots of systems besides laptops that need the low wattage and system on a chip design of a lot of mobiles. The whole embedded hardware industry has pretty much went that direction now. There's most like a U processor in the cash register at your supermarket. Even enterprise network gear will use X86 mobile processors sometimes instead of ASICs.
 

IntelUser2000

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I think the reason manufacturers don't use the 8259U and the 8269U is because they are 28W parts. The 8250U is a 15W part. The 15W chips cover the ultra mobile market and the 45W parts easily cover workstation/gaming. Mainstream just uses the value 15W. So the 28W really fits in an awkward niche.

They are not cheap either, looking at very few laptops that used 28W chips in the past.
 

jpiniero

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It's strictly cost.. The Iris Pro model costs enough more that OEMs could throw in an MX130 if not an MX150 with the GDDR5 for a similar price along with the 4+2 i5.

Apple btw uses the 8259U and 8559U in the 13" MBP.
 

killster1

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8300h can be found in your budget im sure. I would get that or a refresh newer than 8250 (tho i do own a 8250u and i love it ) (also have a 8550u and it runs very hot(but im sure its the laptop chassis fault.
 

antgamal

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8300h can be found in your budget im sure. I would get that or a refresh newer than 8250 (tho i do own a 8250u and i love it ) (also have a 8550u and it runs very hot(but im sure its the laptop chassis fault.
8300h can be found in your budget im sure. I would get that or a refresh newer than 8250 (tho i do own a 8250u and i love it ) (also have a 8550u and it runs very hot(but im sure its the laptop chassis fault.

does i7-8550u better than i5-8265u
it is slight better in frequency and L3 cash but
Max Memory Bandwidth i5-8265 is better
 

killster1

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does i7-8550u better than i5-8265u
it is slight better in frequency and L3 cash but
Max Memory Bandwidth i5-8265 is better
really what matters most is your laptops thermal ability. YOu can put a 9850H in there and it will do worse than a 8265u if it is constantly throttling. So i would worry more about what laptop you choose then what cpu you have in it. 8300h would be my choice unless ultimate battery life was a concern. I purchased the 8550u because of the config it offered it was annoying i wanted something else but to get 32gb ram and 17" at the price i paid i had to choose that one cpu. would be nice to upgrade its thermals or just get rid of this laptop when amd releases something that can beat intel for once.
 
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fire400

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You'll also get better performance on the i5u with a strong NVME SSD and very well stripped, and tweaked Win10 OS environment
 

abufrejoval

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I have a notebook with a Skylake generation equivalent part (i5-6267U) sporting an Iris 550 iGPU with 64MB of eDRAM.

At 35 Watts effective at the wall plug it gives the exact same performance as an AMD A10-7850K APU, which has up to 120 Watts at the wall on every graphics and CPU benchmark I've come across: It's really uncanny just how similar performance these two rather distinct architectures have, almost as if Intel was using it as benchmark.

That has seriously impressed me of what the bigger Intel iGPUs can do and made me look for similar ones in newer devices.

Alas, as you found, these simply don't exist.

AFAIK these CPUs are basically Apple custom chips, so you can get them easily as an Apple notebook, after selling a kidney.

Intel then puts some of them (surplus?) into NUCs and at prices that are basically insane, when you consider the relative complexity and power of these chips. Even a normal GT2 chip already uses more die area for the GPU than the CPU cores. But at GT3 or GT3e (65Watt chips they did for Sky and Kaby-Lake), that area doubles and triples. And then they even put 64 or 128MB of eDRAM on the same die carrier to offset the lack of bandwidth in normal DRAM for GPUs.

Yet they sell them in a NUC at a price practically identical to an ordinary GT2 as if the GT3 GPU and eDRAM overhead was zero extra cost. And actually zero (ok $5) is what Intel has been charging even for normal GT2 iGPUs in the few cases they sold CPUs with deactivated iGPUs (Xeons mostly). At 50% surface area on a chip that goes easily for $500 (and with no proportional differentiation for dual core dies), that doesn't make any economical sense from a fab perspective where the size of the chip determines production cost.

All that to my knowledge has never been publically discussed and received far too little attention, because the only explanation that I can come up with is anti-competitive behaviour against AMD and Nvidia.

It's also exactly how the original Ryzen striked back at Intel, converting the iGPU die area into 4 extra CPU cores instead.

Again, the only exception from Apple and NUC I ever found was this Medion Notebook that I bought at quite a competitive price (€600 with VAT) in 2016. It's a standard Pegatron design unchanged for 28 Watt that also supports 15 Watt CPUs and even discrete graphics on the same motherboard and chassis. And the CPU really is only 15Watt TDP like every other U-variant and the gap to 28 Watts is only available to the iGPU: It doesn't clock higher or longer than an equivalent 15 Watt Skylake cousin. It's not a 28 Watt CPU only a 28 Watt SoC. There are some benchmark benefits for the CPU, as the eDRAM is in fact not exclusive to the GPU but an L4 cache usable by both, but tiny.

How that SoC slipped through a barrier that Intel and Apple have held high until the latest Cannon-Lake announcements (where the need for eDRAM was compensated by faster DDR4), I don't know. But like you I've always wanted a GT3 laptop at a GT2 price. And I guess the ones from Apple show that the hardware core is attractive enough in terms of electrical and compute/graphics power balance.

It doesn't really give you a gaming machine, though. And the production cost of these chips most likely weren't competitive against entry level dGPUs.

Too bad nobody makes a notebook chassis that you can simply slip a NUC motherboard into. Not everybody needs an ultrabook!
 
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