Nothing Ever Changes But The Dates And The Locations

[BonzaiDuck]

I've had a change in thinking about 2nd Amendment rights over the last decade or so.

there was once this old myth that you couldn't own a gun in the former USSR. The myth prevailed during the Cold War. But you could own a shotgun or a hunting rifle. You could even carry it openly on a bus or train.

If you believe in the Constitution, they didn't put those words "well-regulated militia" in there for nothing. Nor did they anticipate the invention of the Gatling gun.

I think it's time to ban the purchase of assault rifles. People who think they need to be "prepared" to overthrow our government based on some casual quote from Thomas Jefferson are just delusional. If you want to overthrow the government, raid a Federal armory and steal the guns. But why do you want to overthrow the government? Abortions and the little fetuses? Losing some of your effing gun rights? An aversion to paying taxes, when you're adequately "represented"? Too much environmental regulation? Or is it just "climate change"?

I think they should expand the definition of "mentally ill" to include Right-wing rabid do-or-die Trump supporters. And that also includes "Gun Nuts".

 

[fskimospy]

Banning guns isn't the answer. My home has many guns of various calibers and none of them have ever committed a crime and never will under our care.

Every gun owner tells themselves that. The stats don’t lie.

Banning guns is the obvious answer.

 

[Zorba]

ning guns isn't the answer. My home has many guns of various calibers and none of them have ever committed a crime and never will under our care.

Having guns nearby drastically increases the likelihood of them being used.

On Easter this year a women I worked with was shot and killed by her brother, who also shot and severely injured their dad before killing himself. They all had good jobs, families, and no criminal records of any kind. If there had been no gun in that house they'd likely all still be alive. Of course all their kids were in the house when it happened.

Everyone is a "responsible" gun owner until they aren't. Look at the FBI murder stats, the vast majority of gun murders involve arguments, not crime.

 

[soundforbjt]

Where’s the “good guy with a gun” ? In Texas that should be nearly everyone...right? How could this possibly happen in Texas with all those guns they have there? I thought more guns made us safer...

 

[allisolm]

Back to the actual event with real dead people.

"Eight people were killed and at least seven others wounded" is CNN's count this morning. Youngest reported is 5. According to the fire chief "Of the surviving victims, three were in critical condition and undergoing surgery and four were stable as of Saturday night."

https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/07/us/allen-texas-mall-shooting-sunday/index.html

 

[skyking]

Where’s the “good guy with a gun” ? In Texas that should be nearly everyone...right? How could this possibly happen in Texas with all those guns they have there? I thought more guns made us safer...

He is in @Zorba s post above yours. I am sure people came forward after the murders and said that the brother was a good guy and did not understand how this could happen.

 

[Indus]

Back to the actual event with real dead people.

"Eight people were killed and at least seven others wounded" is CNN's count this morning. Youngest reported is 5. According to the fire chief "Of the surviving victims, three were in critical condition and undergoing surgery and four were stable as of Saturday night."

https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/07/us/allen-texas-mall-shooting-sunday/index.html

but surely

 

[Pohemi]

Banning guns isn't the answer. My home has many guns of various calibers and none of them have ever committed a crime and never will under our care.

"None of them have ever committed a crime..." yet.

As others have said before...responsible gun owners until they aren't. I'm not saying you or your family is going to snap and kill everyone in the house, but do you keep them in a vault when you are not home? What if your house is burgled and guns are stolen?

Think of how many households where it's definitely possible, and there are dozens of guns in the home. You never know who might snap. How many shootings have happened in the home, with people who had no history of violence, no criminal record, etc...who murder multiple other people, including their own families. They were all "responsible gun owners" for a time as well.

It isn't the answer in your opinion, because you don't want to have to give up yours for the sake of everyone else.

I understand wanting to keep them, but I cannot understand how someone comes to feel so rabidly about it...besides them believing they have the, "God-given right" to keep their murder toys. I do not.

Every gun owner tells themselves that. The stats don’t lie.

Almost every.

I own them as well, because I enjoy them, and I like shooting at the range. I use to hunt deer and small game as well when I was still capable of camping in the winter.

My point is...I would gladly give mine up if it meant that everyone would. I know this won't happen, but I also don't cling to mine as if it's my death if I lose the right to own and possess them. People get so bent out of shape over something in the constitution that they haven't properly interpreted in hundreds of years now.

It's ridiculous.

 

[fskimospy]

It isn't the answer in your opinion, because you don't want to have to give up yours for the sake of everyone else. I understand your side of the opinion here, but I don't understand how someone comes to feel that way...besides them believing they have the, "God-given right" to keep their murder toys.

Almost every.

I own them as well, because I enjoy them, and I like shooting at the range. I use to hunt deer and small game as well when I was still capable of camping in the winter.

My point is...I would gladly give mine up if it meant that everyone would. I know this won't happen, but I also don't cling to mine as if it's my death if I lose the right to own and possess them. People get so bent out of shape over something in the constitution that they haven't properly interpreted in hundreds of years now.

It's ridiculous.

I enjoy shooting guns too, it’s fun! As you say though it’s essentially a hobby and if I had a hobby where if I stopped doing it I could save tens of thousands of lives each year I would gladly give it up because…well…I’m not insane.

 

[Jaskalas]

Back to the actual event with real dead people.

About that....
A first hand account of at least some of the victims, and how they were found.

https://www.cbsnews.com/texas/news/man-witnessed-allen-outlet-mall-shooting/

Spoiler: Content Warning

https://twitter.com/x/status/1655061712117137408

 

[Dulanic]

Banning guns isn't the answer. My home has many guns of various calibers and none of them have ever committed a crime and never will under our care.

I have guns too, but what I don't have is assault weapons that make it easy to kill people. From MOST of the mass shootings this year so far, the person bought the gun and went and killed within a day or 2. I am totally for background checks and waiting periods. I am also for banning assault weapons. Will it solve everything? Hell no. But it will cut down the mental breaks where someone buys a AR-15 and goes out a day or 2 later and kills a bunch of people.

 

[allisolm]

I admit I teared up at Jaskalas' reported account. There is absolutely no justification for this kind of thing. None.

 

[Pohemi]

I have guns too, but what I don't have is assault weapons that make it easy to kill people. From MOST of the mass shootings this year so far, the person bought the gun and went and killed within a day or 2. I am totally for background checks and waiting periods. I am also for banning assault weapons. Will it solve everything? Hell no. But it will cut down the mental breaks where someone buys a AR-15 and goes out a day or 2 later and kills a bunch of people.

I've been able to walk into a gunshop or sporting goods store and purchase and walk out with a long gun immediately for...well, ever that I recall.

The thing that alarms me is that for handgun purchases, it use to require a 7-10 day wait and extensive background check. Now? Wait 30 minutes and very likely walk out with it.

This is what happens when conservatives keep rolling back gun regulations as far as they can until there aren't any.

 

[Dulanic]

I've been able to walk into a gunshop or sporting goods store and purchase and walk out with a long gun immediately for...well, ever that I recall.

The thing that alarms me is that for handgun purchases, it use to require a 7-10 day wait and extensive background check. Now? Wait 30 minutes and very likely walk out with it.

This is what happens when conservatives keep rolling back gun regulations as far as they can until there aren't any.

Agreed, I can literally buy a gun and walkout in 10 minutes, no background checks no nothing. It isn't right. It's literally harder to go fishing than it is to own a gun here. Fuck that 2A argument. That was written hundreds of years ago when militias existed etc... That isn't todays world.

 

[Indus]

Agreed, I can literally buy a gun and walkout in 10 minutes, no background checks no nothing. It isn't right. It's literally harder to go fishing than it is to own a gun here. Fuck that 2A argument. That was written hundreds of years ago when militias existed etc... That isn't todays world.

Best ever argument to do away with the US of A and start over.

Sadly it would be Putin's wet dream but pros and cons

 

[Meghan54]

This God sounds like a not nice entity, given it’s all God doing all this slaughter of women and children via shootings:

Texas Rep Keith Self says God is 'absolutely in control of our lives' — Daily Mail

Rep. Keith Self, a Texas Republican expressed his belief in the power of prayer, stating that those who doubt its effectiveness do not believe in an almighty god.

apple.news

Texas Rep Keith Self says God is 'absolutely in control of our lives'

'Those are people that don't believe in an almighty god who is absolutely in control of our lives.'

'I'm a Christian. I believe that he is,' Self said assuredly.


So God is the entity responsible so there’s absolutely nothing to be done on that front, cause you know, if God wants y’all dead, He’ll find a way.

 

[Zorba]

I have guns too, but what I don't have is assault weapons that make it easy to kill people. From MOST of the mass shootings this year so far, the person bought the gun and went and killed within a day or 2. I am totally for background checks and waiting periods. I am also for banning assault weapons. Will it solve everything? Hell no. But it will cut down the mental breaks where someone buys a AR-15 and goes out a day or 2 later and kills a bunch of people.

Waiting periods seem like the absolute least thing that gun nutters could give up that would likely result in a significant reduction in mass murder and domestic violence events.

 

[Zorba]

This God sounds like a not nice entity, given it’s all God doing all this slaughter of women and children via shootings:

Texas Rep Keith Self says God is 'absolutely in control of our lives' — Daily Mail

Rep. Keith Self, a Texas Republican expressed his belief in the power of prayer, stating that those who doubt its effectiveness do not believe in an almighty god.

apple.news

Texas Rep Keith Self says God is 'absolutely in control of our lives'

'Those are people that don't believe in an almighty god who is absolutely in control of our lives.'

'I'm a Christian. I believe that he is,' Self said assuredly.


So God is the entity responsible so there’s absolutely nothing to be done on that front, cause you know, if God wants y’all dead, He’ll find a way.

Fundimentalists are so disgusting.

 

[eelw]

It isn't the answer in your opinion, because you don't want to have to give up yours for the sake of everyone else.

Yup. One can’t be considered a responsible gun owner if they won’t give up their guns to save a single child

 

[sandorski]

This God sounds like a not nice entity, given it’s all God doing all this slaughter of women and children via shootings:

Texas Rep Keith Self says God is 'absolutely in control of our lives' — Daily Mail

Rep. Keith Self, a Texas Republican expressed his belief in the power of prayer, stating that those who doubt its effectiveness do not believe in an almighty god.

apple.news

Texas Rep Keith Self says God is 'absolutely in control of our lives'

'Those are people that don't believe in an almighty god who is absolutely in control of our lives.'

'I'm a Christian. I believe that he is,' Self said assuredly.


So God is the entity responsible so there’s absolutely nothing to be done on that front, cause you know, if God wants y’all dead, He’ll find a way.

Then he should quit, his Job is unnecessary.

 

[sandorski]

Waiting periods seem like the absolute least thing that gun nutters could give up that would likely result in a significant reduction in mass murder and domestic violence events.

What if they need to Murder something like, right now?

lollibrals.....

 

[Pohemi]

What if they need to Murder something like, right now?

lollibrals.....

I've never forgotten this clip over the years, and it still crosses my mind regularly. It's exactly what you're saying...

 

[allisolm]

Looks like the shooter was a 33 yr-old ex-security guard with a good amount of firearm training. Lived with his parents.Don't know if there was any mall connection.

Live updates: Allen, Texas, shooting at outlet mall leaves at least 8 dead

Eight people were killed and at least seven others wounded when a gunman opened fire at an Allen, Texas, outlet mall Saturday afternoon. Follow for live updates.

www.cnn.com

 

[nOOky]

Having guns nearby drastically increases the likelihood of them being used.

On Easter this year a women I worked with was shot and killed by her brother, who also shot and severely injured their dad before killing himself. They all had good jobs, families, and no criminal records of any kind. If there had been no gun in that house they'd likely all still be alive. Of course all their kids were in the house when it happened.

Everyone is a "responsible" gun owner until they aren't. Look at the FBI murder stats, the vast majority of gun murders involve arguments, not crime.

No they would have used knives or bombs or toxic gas because without a gun around everyone seems to have all those things handy/p

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Big surprise, shooter was a nazi and white supremacist.