Nothing Ever Changes But The Dates And The Locations

[Moonbeam]

I'm shocked! Like the thread title says nothing ever changes.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/05/us/winder-georgia-shooting-apalachee-high-school/index.html

I offered a link in this thread offers a perspective on why this is actually so because we want to change the wrong things. However a hopeful suggestion is made that there is one thing that can be changed that makes a huge difference. If you are seriously interested in such potential good news and are willing to listen to what is said in that link it might help with that pessimistic outlook. While I only recently learned of the person's existence, his knowledge does accord with my experience though it is obvious to me he's miles beyond my understanding. In my opinion we come from a profoundly ignorant culture and never had much of a chance.

I look at many things and am aware that what I think I am looking at is actually bigotry. How do you see this?

Do you see a typical goofball dressed in sham garb muttering nonsense and not even deserving a listen, or as a speaker of a profoundly important message worthy of consideration in the following link? Personally, I have not seen someone with his understanding and is still living in a long long time.

forums.anandtech.com

 

[APU_Fusion]

I'm shocked! Like the thread title says nothing ever changes. Piece of shit gun nutter parents give mentally ill kid access to guns.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/05/us/winder-georgia-shooting-apalachee-high-school/index.html

Did the FBI not talk to the father about the threats his kid made? Hey little buddy. I know you fantasize about shooting at school but I know you are joking. Here is your Christmas present; AR15. Now don’t. Shoot your eye out.
]😦

 

[eelw]

Nice father charged and arrested

 

[Zorba]

Nice father charged and arrested

Link:

https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/apalachee-school-shooting-georgia-09-05-24/index.html

 

[Zorba]

I offered a link in this thread offers a perspective on why this is actually so because we want to change the wrong things. However a hopeful suggestion is made that there is one thing that can be changed that makes a huge difference. If you are seriously interested in such potential good news and are willing to listen to what is said in that link it might help with that pessimistic outlook. While I only recently learned of the person's existence, his knowledge does accord with my experience though it is obvious to me he's miles beyond my understanding. In my opinion we come from a profoundly ignorant culture and never had much of a chance.

I look at many things and am aware that what I think I am looking at is actually bigotry. How do you see this?

Do you see a typical goofball dressed in sham garb muttering nonsense and not even deserving a listen, or as a speaker of a profoundly important message worthy of consideration in the following link? Personally, I have not seen someone with his understanding and is still living in a long long time.

forums.anandtech.com

"End school shootings with this one cool trick, click here!"

 

[allisolm]

I'd be angry if they DIDN'T arrest the father. From what I read he bought the gun used in the killings as a holiday present for his son in December 2023, AFTER the first incident. AFTER the FBI talked to him about the son.

The father has been charged with four counts of involuntary manslaughter, two counts of second degree murder and eight counts of cruelty to children.

Stupid is as stupid does.

 

[Brainonska511]

Ga. shooting suspect’s aunt said he had been "begging for months" for mental health help before the attack.

Sidenotes: Georgia had passed a law in 2022 to improve mental health care access, which began the process of improving it from somewhere around 50th place in the states... But on the other hand, Georgia continues to block access to health insurance (and doctors) for hundreds of thousands of low income families which has been previously criticized by mental health advocates - as Georgia continues to block the federal Medicaid expansion. Georgia instead placed a commission in place to "study" the issue.

Also, Georgia has no red-flag law that would allow officers to remove guns from homes with mentally disturbed folks in any case, purely comes down to choice of the parents to keep guns around.

Knowing nothing about the perpetrator's family situation, even with funding and mandatory coverage for mental health, it doesn't necessarily solve the two immediate problems that may block access to mental health resources: 1) insurance companies dicking around so much that therapists and psychiatrists/psychologists leave coverage networks, 2) many practices have waiting lists for new clients, and 3) insurance companies may deny necessary levels of care because of [insert a reason]. For #1 and #3, I'm sure the generally conservative state of Georgia has strong regulatory oversight of insurance companies in their state.

 

[Brainonska511]

I'd be angry if they DIDN'T arrest the father. From what I read he bought the gun used in the killings as a holiday present for his son in December 2023, AFTER the first incident. AFTER the FBI talked to him about the son.

The father has been charged with four counts of involuntary manslaughter, two counts of second degree murder and eight counts of cruelty to children.

Stupid is as stupid does.

What a giant fuckhead. "I've been approached by the police/FBI about my son being a potential mass shooter. Let me buy him a gun."

https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/05/us/winder-georgia-shooting-apalachee-high-school/index.html

Colin Gray told investigators this week he had purchased the gun used in the killings as a holiday present for his son in December 2023, according to two law enforcement sources with direct knowledge of the investigation.

One source told CNN the AR-15-style rifle was purchased at a local gun store as a Christmas present. The timeline the teen’s father provided to authorities would put the gun purchase months after authorities first contacted Gray and his family to investigate school shooting threats made online.

 

[NWRMidnight]

What do you mean figure it out? He knows where he got it.

Okay, so on the basically zero percent chance the gun didn't come from home here, the point still applies to basically all other school shootings.

One way or the other an adult allowed him to have access to unsecured firearms.

The last article I read, about an hour before my last post this morning, before going to bed (day sleeper), said that it was still under investigation, where the gun came from, and how he got it to the school. I just woke up 10 minutes ago, and now it's changed the father admitted that he bought the gun for him in december 2023 to give to him as a gift. Now we have enough facts to blame the parents, or rather his dad. Which is why he has been arrested and charged.

I was wrong, but not sorry for what I said earlier. Because I believe in keeping an open mind and not jump to conclusions without evidence of the fact. That's one of the problems that this country suffers from in society today, everyone automatically jumps to conclusions before knowing all the facts. Even law enforcement and investigators do it as well and then mold their investigations and evidence around that pre determined conclusion, which is why some innocent people get convicted of crimes they didn't commit. Yes, you all where right about this one, but you could have easily just as wrong, by jumping to conclusions, less than 24 hours after the shooting without any known facts that indicate such a conclusion. Before we knew any facts, The teen could have stolen the gun from someon else's house for all we knew.. or like what happened with the Rittenhouse where a friend purchased the gun for him.. point is, there are a lot of scenerios that could have happened that didnt' involvle the parents. We know that's not the case now.

With that said, when are we going to start charging government officials and others for their part in this? You can't have a society that pushes guns constantly and expect it to not have an effect on those in society, including children. Specially when you have government officials (govenors, congressman, etc) blatently displaying firearms with the messages that are directed towards everyone in society. Many of those messages implying that guns, and more guns, are the only answer to our problems. There are kids who are getting "programmed" that a firearm is what you need/use to right a wrong in this country, and it's not coming from the parents. Don't get me wrong, there are a lot of Parents who play a part in this as well, outside of what we learned today. You can't have a society that pushes guns, guns, guns, as the answer, and expect what was once considered the unthinkable, not to happen. The problem, is it's no longer the unthinkable, but becoming normal every day life, and it won't be solved by just placing the blame on the parents. It wont' be solved by prayers, active shooter drills at schools and places of business either.

 

[Dave_5k]

What a giant fuckhead. "I've been approached by the police/FBI about my son being a potential mass shooter. Let me buy him a gun."

https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/05/us/winder-georgia-shooting-apalachee-high-school/index.html

And not just any gun, but purchasing a gun that was specifically designed for military use - to bring more firepower to mass kill more enemy troops.

Now available with minor modifications and improvements for civilians everywhere* at a low, low price (*offer only valid in the U.S.A., not responsible for resulting incarceration in every other country in the world for civilian possession)

 

[Indus]

What a giant fuckhead. "I've been approached by the police/FBI about my son being a potential mass shooter. Let me buy him a gun."

https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/05/us/winder-georgia-shooting-apalachee-high-school/index.html

Trumpistan is Fuckheadistan.

Only IQ of 70 or below need apply.

 

[Jaskalas]

What a giant fuckhead. "I've been approached by the police/FBI about my son being a potential mass shooter. Let me buy him a gun."

https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/05/us/winder-georgia-shooting-apalachee-high-school/index.html

Uhh....

Make him an accessory to all of it. Send him away for life.

 

[Jaskalas]

Also, idea.
Teachers and students need to protest for their safety with walkouts.
Student groups can lead the charge to help cover for the Teacher Unions. Make it a joint effort and bring PAIN to the admins.

 

[Moonbeam]

"End school shootings with this one cool trick, click here!"

I know, I can deflect looking at anything by calling it a one click trick that solves everything. Of course you know that something like this would be expected. That is why I said you were right. Nothing ever changes out there but some believe you can change you. You change you and you will have done all you can to fix the issue. Your belief in your pessimistic view makes that impossible. Welcome to your life. You can always hit your head on a wall until the gun problem goes away. My sympathy. Give up but I won't. I already won.

Did the FBI not talk to the father about the threats his kid made? Hey little buddy. I know you fantasize about shooting at school but I know you are joking. Here is your Christmas present; AR15. Now don’t. Shoot your eye out.
]😦

Dear Dad, thanks for the beautiful gun instead of helping me with my obvious psychological issues. Think I'll take it to school and blow some people away to show my appreciation, you fucking imbecile. Thanks for caring!

 

[eelw]

One thing not talked about yet is the response by law enforcement. The school installed a new system last week. It’s a panic button on all school staff. So kudos to the school resource officer for making the arrest in under 5 minute.

 

[Moonbeam]

Also, idea.
Teachers and students need to protest for their safety with walkouts.
Student groups can lead the charge to help cover for the Teacher Unions. Make it a joint effort and bring PAIN to the admins.

More pain... Great idea. Good old conservative thinking.

 

[Moonbeam]

More pain... Great idea. Good old conservative thinking. I think we should beat kids and make them confess if they harbor ill thoughts toward others. Then we could keep them drugged for 20 years.

 

[Jaskalas]

More pain... Great idea. Good old conservative thinking.

The 2A has a blood toll.
Maybe you need to hear, feel, and think about everyone else's pain. Maybe you need to know just how unacceptable paying the blood toll is.
Protests are more than called for here.

 

[APU_Fusion]

The 2A has a blood toll.
Maybe you need to hear, feel, and think about everyone else's pain. Maybe you need to know just how unacceptable paying the blood toll is.
Protests are more than called for here.

Moonbeam is a self absorbed pseudo intellectual who thinks his navel gazing bullshit is a blessing to the world. His rambling bloviating posts are often exhausting and almost comical in their arrogance and ignorance.

 

[NWRMidnight]

One thing not talked about yet is the response by law enforcement. The school installed a new system last week. It’s a panic button on all school staff. So kudos to the school resource officer for making the arrest in under 5 minute.

That's great, he was able to arrest him in under 5 minutes, but the panic button is still a reactive solution. We need pro active solutions. Solutions that stop this from happening, rather than solutions that kick in when it's happening or after. We are failing our kids, and everyone in our society right now.

 

[Moonbeam]

The 2A has a blood toll.
Maybe you need to hear, feel, and think about everyone else's pain. Maybe you need to know just how unacceptable paying the blood toll is.
Protests are more than called for here.

If I didn’t understand your belief in a blood toll which perpetuates blood tolls fron folk like you who happily give them to a new generation not yet infected with them, I would not comment. It’s the pain you are willing to inflict on others to satisfy your blood lust that suggests your contempt for my so called indifference to others is nothing but guilt projected. Violence is an illness, an addiction we cling to prevent self reflection and self awareness of our out of control emotional state. Everybody would know the truth if it were self flattering.

 

[Dave_5k]

The 2A has a blood toll.
Maybe you need to hear, feel, and think about everyone else's pain. Maybe you need to know just how unacceptable paying the blood toll is.
Protests are more than called for here.

The Republican deliberate complete rewriting of the 2A, starting roughly 50 years ago and continuing through to today, has a massive blood toll ~ whereas the 2A is mostly an innocent victim used as the fall guy in all of this.

How the NRA Rewrote the Second Amendment

The Founders never intended to create an unregulated individual right to a gun. Today, millions believe they did. Here’s how it happened.

www.brennancenter.org

 

[HomerJS]

I see many posts we need more guns in the schools. Anyone have one example in a mass shooting where more guns would have made things better?

 

[Brainonska511]

I see many posts we need more guns in the schools. Anyone have one example in a mass shooting where more guns would have made things better?

Republicans just want to do this, except it's guns.

 

[Zorba]

I know, I can deflect looking at anything by calling it a one click trick that solves everything. Of course you know that something like this would be expected. That is why I said you were right. Nothing ever changes out there but some believe you can change you. You change you and you will have done all you can to fix the issue. Your belief in your pessimistic view makes that impossible. Welcome to your life. You can always hit your head on a wall until the gun problem goes away. My sympathy. Give up but I won't. I already won.

Dear Dad, thanks for the beautiful gun instead of helping me with my obvious psychological issues. Think I'll take it to school and blow some people away to show my appreciation, you fucking imbecile. Thanks for caring!

You already won because it wasn't your kid killed at school. It wasn't your husband that got killed trying to protect his classroom. I can not change gun nutters giving minors with depression guns. I sure as hell can't change teenage boys being depressed. Just be sure you kiss your guns goodnight tonight, since there are many parents that can't kiss their kids goodnight because of America's gun fetish.