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eelw

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If Republicans want to stand between us and keeping kids alive.
That's a bridge many will die on.

Fact that they have gone MAGA only makes that ultimatum far more likely. Cannot break norms and expect norms to hold us back. If they declare Democracy is dead, then so is their 2A.
Exactly. So fixated on the past. And one would think the responsible gun owners wouldn’t want to be linked to these nut jobs. Nope they’ll just throw their hands in the air - too many guns nothing can be done about it.
 
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Exactly. So fixated on the past. And one would think the responsible gun owners wouldn’t want to be linked to these nut jobs. Nope they’ll just throw their hands in the air - too many guns nothing can be done about it.
Every gun owner is a Responsible Gun Owner™ until something happens, then the membership is retroactively revoked and Responsible Gun Owners™ deny said Irresponsible Gun Owner was ever a member.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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I have a great idea. Good citizens of the USA should donate all their weapons to Ukraine. Problem solved.
I doubt they'd want them. Mostly inappropriate caliber, or inappropriately maintained.
Every gun owner is a Responsible Gun Owner™ until something happens, then the membership is retroactively revoked and Responsible Gun Owners™ deny said Irresponsible Gun Owner was ever a member.
We do that with parenting, /shrug.

Might have an argument with driving though.
 

akugami

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Well...I'm sure everyone is glad to know that a GPS system for school teachers is working to help police get to the school crime scenes faster is working. Cause that's way better to get to a crime scene where students are dead than to work to prevent crime scenes altogether. /s

Most people fighting for mental health and background checks of people buying guns are not against the second amendment. I happen to think guns can be an enjoyable past time. BUT IT MUST BE DONE RESPONSIBLY. And that's where conservative raging gun nuts such as Marjorie Taylor Greene, and others of her ilk, are hurting Americans.

The free flow of guns with zero checks or safety measures hurts all of us. Something as simple as requiring a mental health exam and a gun safety class, as well as a standard background check, can reduce gun violence. Will it prevent all gun violence? Of course not. But anything that prevents one extra senseless death is something I will always advocate.

Instead of spending money on emergency response measures, we need to advocate for sensible gun ownership. Anyone against sensible gun ownership, every single gun death that is not a true accident is on your hands.
 

Moonbeam

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Well...I'm sure everyone is glad to know that a GPS system for school teachers is working to help police get to the school crime scenes faster is working. Cause that's way better to get to a crime scene where students are dead than to work to prevent crime scenes altogether. /s

Most people fighting for mental health and background checks of people buying guns are not against the second amendment. I happen to think guns can be an enjoyable past time. BUT IT MUST BE DONE RESPONSIBLY. And that's where conservative raging gun nuts such as Marjorie Taylor Greene, and others of her ilk, are hurting Americans.

The free flow of guns with zero checks or safety measures hurts all of us. Something as simple as requiring a mental health exam and a gun safety class, as well as a standard background check, can reduce gun violence. Will it prevent all gun violence? Of course not. But anything that prevents one extra senseless death is something I will always advocate.

Instead of spending money on emergency response measures, we need to advocate for sensible gun ownership. Anyone against sensible gun ownership, every single gun death that is not a true accident is on your hands.
The argument is where the middle can come together to shut out the extremes but I think sensible to me is about 78% approved by the population.
 
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akugami

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Holy hell. The suspect's name has got to be a joke right? Joseph A. Couch. It's like some horror cliche come to life.

But I'd like all the folks to know it's all fine, the situation is under control, because we got thoughts and prayers on the way. And thoughts and prayers are all we need to save the day.
 
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Zorba

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The human nature you suggest has no fix is your personal mental prison. Looks like you didn’t watch the link I suggested you consider. You feel violence within you has no cure because you do not want to feel again the pain that caused that rage. Your saying that fixing it is impossible, while imagining that the 2nd amendment and the numbers of people who don’t want to lose rights are no big issue. Other countries did it.

I heard that when the Dalai Lama was faced with the choice of fighting or giving up control of Tibet, he told the Chinese to take it. If other countries can do that why not us? The military has lots of guns. How far should we go eliminating them?
No I didn't watch your video. If violence desires/actions in people is curable on a wholesale level why does anyone need guns? The idea that we can "cure" violence within 400 million people easier than making guns harder to access is ridiculous.
 
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Zorba

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Every other first world nation doesn't have the 2A in their Constitution, nor Republicans. Show me one that's climbed that hill and we'll talk.
The second amendment doesn't ban (or at least didn't) restrictions on firearms. With a non-insane supreme court, semi-automatic guns could be banned. Australia did it, and they have plenty of conservatives too. I'm guessing what they really lacked is the NRA.
 

Moonbeam

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No I didn't watch your video. If violence desires/actions in people is curable on a wholesale level why does anyone need guns? The idea that we can "cure" violence within 400 million people easier than making guns harder to access is ridiculous.
It surprises me that you do not see the rationalization you introduce into your argument to convince you of it correctness. You can't cure 400 million in a blink of an eye. I can't get you to watch a single video that might suggest to you a different approach nor do I have any issue with tightening gun access. The issue is really very simple. Violent people are killing others with guns. Tighter gun laws seem like they are in order. It would be nice, however, if people were not violent especially to the level that they want to kill innocent people.

I think that this is the result of unconscious motivation to stay away from the violence issue because what creates violence is self hate, any idea that there might be something wrong with us because we unconsciously already believe the worst and what to remain unconscious of that fact. The more people know that violence comes from a sickness within, the more people will want to get over that disease.

Consider the possibility that anybody who does not want to see he or she is a fool is a fool.

We really need people honest enough to look at themselves to inform others of this invisible catch 22.

Nobody wants anyone to feel bad in this awakening because they already needlessly do.

Pride goeth before a fall. It’s also going to go before extinction.
 
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Authorities said Couch purchased the weapon and about 1,000 rounds of ammunition Saturday morning in London. Couch has a military background, having served in the National Guard for at least four years, said Capt. Richard Dalrymple of the Laurel County Sheriff’s Office.


Surprised? Me neither.
 
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[DHT]Osiris

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The second amendment doesn't ban (or at least didn't) restrictions on firearms. With a non-insane supreme court, semi-automatic guns could be banned. Australia did it, and they have plenty of conservatives too. I'm guessing what they really lacked is the NRA.
I mean, it kind of does. The Constitution defines the limits of the government and the 2A says the right to bear arms shall not be infringed. It's frankly easily argued that every arm humans ever develop cannot be restricted by the govt, and I'm surprised it hasn't come up yet.

Now the SC can rejigger definitions and make claims that the Constitution intended that to mean only members of a registered militia (basically the national guard at this point), but I think the whole restrictions on arms thing is a red herring, and I worry that pushing too hard is going to create a breach elsewhere.
 

eelw

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It surprises me that you do not see the rationalization you introduce into your argument to convince you of it correctness. You can't cure 400 million in a blink of an eye. I can't get you to watch a single video that might suggest to you a different approach nor do I have any issue with tightening gun access. The issue is really very simple. Violent people are killing others with guns. Tighter gun laws seem like they are in order. It would be nice, however, if people were not violent especially to the level that they want to kill innocent people.
No the single issue is, is the US just more inherently more violent than the rest of the sane world? Or is the cause something else? Hmmmmm???? You solve the issue by removing that cause.
 

Zorba

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Authorities said Couch purchased the weapon and about 1,000 rounds of ammunition Saturday morning in London. Couch has a military background, having served in the National Guard for at least four years, said Capt. Richard Dalrymple of the Laurel County Sheriff’s Office.


Surprised? Me neither.
Of course, so many guns used by adults were obtained very near the event. Which is why the Brady bill included waiting periods.
 
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Zorba

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No the single issue is, is the US just more inherently more violent than the rest of the sane world? Or is the cause something else? Hmmmmm???? You solve the issue by removing that cause.
Yeah, I'll believe we can cure violence in every American around the same time we cure over eating and meth use.
 
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eelw

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Ignorant gunless Canadian here. But what does one need 1000+ rounds? Going to obliterate that poor deer if going hunting.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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Ignorant gunless Canadian here. But what does one need 1000+ rounds? Going to obliterate that poor deer if going hunting.
You can buy .22's in a 500ct brick. 1000 rounds isn't much, unless it's really expensive.

Now taking 1k rounds out for hunting, yeah that's kinda stupid. 5 long rifle rounds and a sidearm, maybe with an extra clip/whatever if you're in hog country, should be plenty. Duck hunters need not apply.
 

[DHT]Osiris

Lifer
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lol duck hunting with an AR15
More meant round count. Unless I'm mistaken, they have a higher propensity to sit in one spot, collecting kills over a full morning/day, so they may bring more hunting ammunition than say, a deer hunter.
 

Moonbeam

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No the single issue is, is the US just more inherently more violent than the rest of the sane world? Or is the cause something else? Hmmmmm???? You solve the issue by removing that cause.
Solving the issue by work to eliminate the cause is exactly what I am pushing for. The only difference between us in my opinion is that you don’t want to deal with the cause. Have you acted with anger, rage, violence toward others in your life? If so then you have the exact same sickness that school yard killers have.

And you are as you are because you are unwilling to consider the possibility that you are mentally ill, that you have a disease.

And the illness you have is what is killing children in school yards while you yammer on about guns.

Would you rather live in a world without violence or one without guns?

You focus on guns because when you think about ending violence, the violence within you, what you experience hopelessness. You just KNOW there is no cure. And you don’t want anybody to change your mind.

The focus on guns is how you suck your thumb.
 
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