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I generally hate all things star wars, but Andor is really really good imo. 10/10. All the episodes are good in their own way, but tonight's episode (12 I think? or the whatever the last one is) was extremely well done. I really enjoyed the funeral march part and the way they used it to build up to the finale.
 
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Star Wars is also fantasy. it isn't anywhere close to Sci Fi.
With fantasy, magic and sorcery comes to my mind. Star Wars also has that in the form of all things Force related but they don't specifically use the word magic in it.


I think Star Wars is more Sci-Fi (due to the futuristic/alien technology) with some elements of mystical fantasy.
 

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With fantasy, magic and sorcery comes to my mind. Star Wars also has that in the form of all things Force related but they don't specifically use the word magic in it.
with that same rationale, Shaun Of The Dead is not a zombie movie 😁
 

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With fantasy, magic and sorcery comes to my mind. Star Wars also has that in the form of all things Force related but they don't specifically use the word magic in it.


I think Star Wars is more Sci-Fi (due to the futuristic/alien technology) with some elements of mystical fantasy.


Nah, I'd say it was unquestionably fantasy. Or, more specifically, space opera. It has princesses and an aristocracy justified on the basis of 'special blood', plus a mystical priesthood in contact with a mystical greater power, and not the slightest effort at scientifically-justifying anything (sound in space?).

Though probably most popular SF leans that way (Star Trek's not that much more SF, though it is a little bit further along the line in that direction).
 
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not the slightest effort at scientifically-justifying anything (sound in space?).

Though probably most popular SF leans that way (Star Trek's not that much more SF, though it is a little bit further along the line in that direction).
I think in the novels, they explain the sound as being synthesized by the ship computers based on what's happening around them.

Does Star Trek explain any of their technology in the series/movies? Just like Star Wars, the technology is there in the background and we just have to believe that it's based on some scientific principles that we haven't discovered yet in the real world. Like food synthesizers. That's a pretty far out concept, considering we can't even synthesize elements and they are creating complex biochemical compounds in their synthesizers. Do they have a huge reserve of free flowing atoms of all the common elements somewhere on the ship that they just combine into the finished product?
 

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Watched Black Adam. It was as bad as the critics said. 4/10

Ignoring the innumerable plot holes and very bad acting the DC movies generally have two things going against them right now:
1. Too many DC characters are essentially all-powerful with no physical or character flaws. Or the flaws they do have are minimized by the storytellers. I think this is why Batman is perhaps their most popular character: he's the only one with imperfections. Superman is "perfect", Wonder Woman and Aquaman are close, Shazam is flawed only by the child within, etc. Now you add in another character that is practically invincible and can do everything whose only flaw is that he's an anti-hero and not a hero (which he'll tell you, often). The characters and the stakes really aren't relatable.
2. Knowing that there's history with DC and Marvel and character ideas, it's inevitable that at this point most everything DC does seems like a Marvel ripoff to the casual watcher. Hawkman is a less interesting Falcon. Dr. Fate is just Doctor Strange. Atom Smasher is Ant Man except he only gets big. Cyclone is, at best, a lame version of Storm and more likely just Riptide from X-Men: First Class. Marvel made some attempts to differentiate Namor from Aquaman and they didn't do a real good job of differentiating Ikarus from Superman or Thena from Wonder Woman but that movie was so forgettable (they appear to have whitewashed its effects on the MCU completely!) that I don't think most people mind. DC needs to do a better job leaning into it's tentpole characters (essentially firing them all and recasting them won't help!) and then making the secondary players seem unique.
 
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Not a big fan of zombie movies except maybe Z. Oh, and I loved Z Nation, mostly. The whole concept of a zombie messiah I thought was genius but they probably stole that from somewhere else. Not sure why exactly, but I sort of lost interest toward the end.

I was a serious fan of The Walking Dead initially but the recycling of plot lines got annoying. They did eventually break out of that to some extent with the Negan arc. Then I sort of disliked the idea of zombies apparently appearing out of nowhere with no warning like they had access to localized wormholes.
Seems to me from my personal vantage point (yeah, just me) that having the overview of zombie movies is quite a project. Aren't there dozens already??? Not being a horror film buff I just let the whole thing go by unless I'm impressed that a certain film is "not to be missed," one such being Shaun of the Dead. I watched it one time, thought, yeah, this is good, have to see that again but haven't. I have collected a bunch of discs of movies I intend to rewatch, I do sometimes, but many I haven't... yet.
with that same rationale, Shaun Of The Dead is not a zombie movie 😁
My impression was that it was a tongue in cheek semi-comedic spinoff of what became a genre, virtually.
 

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Seems to me from my personal vantage point (yeah, just me) that having the overview of zombie movies is quite a project. Aren't there dozens already??? Not being a horror film buff I just let the whole thing go by unless I'm impressed that a certain film is "not to be missed," one such being Shaun of the Dead. I watched it one time, thought, yeah, this is good, have to see that again but haven't. I have collected a bunch of discs of movies I intend to rewatch, I do sometimes, but many I haven't... yet.

My impression was that it was a tongue in cheek semi-comedic spinoff of what became a genre, virtually.
there's a blink-and-you-miss-it scene where they spoof a very specific trope - this one
because over the years, "those" films could be clearly split down the middle, where in one type "the risen", "walkers", "flesh-eating undead creatures of the night(Timesplitters 3)" are a metaphor for some aspect of humanity, and one type where they are zombies.

.. so .. how about that cabin in the woods video ?
 

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One of the best anime ever (in my opinion): https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0985344/

give this a try. it's on Netflix. Season 2 coming next year.

 
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With fantasy, magic and sorcery comes to my mind. Star Wars also has that in the form of all things Force related but they don't specifically use the word magic in it.


I think Star Wars is more Sci-Fi (due to the futuristic/alien technology) with some elements of mystical fantasy.

It's only ever been classified as fantasy. Because a few generations of idiots at the video store misclassified it and put it on the wrong shelf, doesn't change the only genre it belongs in.

there is nothing in the world of star wars that is our world. That's the first obvious thing. There is nothing in star wars tech that is in any way analogous to current tech--it isn't something we can relate to, it certainly isn't possible in any theoretical way, and none of these elements are used as a backdrop/solution/metaphor for a contemporary problem that we face--something that we can relate to.

There is endless amounts of magic in Star Wars. They don't have to call it magic--it's fucking magic. Robots/aliens/spaceships don't make sci fi. They aren't singular qualities to make something sci fi. They are absolutely unimportant and essentially meaningless in assessing whether something is sci fi.
 

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The Guardians of the Galaxy Holiday Special @ Disney+ (42 minutes) 7/10 - Entertaining and fun, ends MCU Phase 4.

Actor Kevin Bacon is abducted by Drax and Mantis as a Christmas present for Peter Quill.






 
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Muse

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Try doing squats until you are out of breath, before bed. That will put you to sleep real good.
What seems to work for that is watching the news on TV. Also, reading certain stories at the New York Times, so many of those are really extensive. When I can't keep my eyes open, I usually just go to sleep. The last time I did squats I came down with shingles!

I don't usually have trouble going to sleep, my problem is waking up and not going back to sleep. Not always but lately it's been an issue.
 

Muse

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It's only ever been classified as fantasy. Because a few generations of idiots at the video store misclassified it and put it on the wrong shelf, doesn't change the only genre it belongs in.

there is nothing in the world of star wars that is our world. That's the first obvious thing. There is nothing in star wars tech that is in any way analogous to current tech--it isn't something we can relate to, it certainly isn't possible in any theoretical way, and none of these elements are used as a backdrop/solution/metaphor for a contemporary problem that we face--something that we can relate to.

There is endless amounts of magic in Star Wars. They don't have to call it magic--it's fucking magic. Robots/aliens/spaceships don't make sci fi. They aren't singular qualities to make something sci fi. They are absolutely unimportant and essentially meaningless in assessing whether something is sci fi.
Totally agree. Star Wars is a bunch of adolescent fantasy.
 
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I don't usually have trouble going to sleep, my problem is waking up and not going back to sleep. Not always but lately it's been an issue.
I get made fun of a lot for saying this but a tablespoon of honey before bed will prevent that. The other option is eating a raw onion after dinner which I'm sure only the insane would want to do.
 
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