Now I know why old people work for Walmart. Social Security.

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ImpulsE69

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Can you give some examples? I'm not aware of any of the Fortune 100 employs illegals...

He means as gardeners, tending the orchards, pool boys, maids, etc....not working for the law firm. And yes, this happens a lot.
 

Imp

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He means as gardeners, tending the orchards, pool boys, maids, etc....not working for the law firm. And yes, this happens a lot.

I know some people who went to visit middle-class-ish friends/family in LA. They came back and spoke of how some of the LA people hired "Mexican gardeners."

How "Mexican" they actually were, no clue.
 

Slew Foot

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everyone in CA who is middle class or better has a mexican gardner. $25/wk and theyll come to your house, mow your lawn, trim the hedges/trees, take out the trash, rake the leaves, etc..
 

ponyo

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everyone in CA who is middle class or better has a mexican gardner. $25/wk and theyll come to your house, mow your lawn, trim the hedges/trees, take out the trash, rake the leaves, etc..

$25? I can't even get a high school kid to mow my lawn for $25. Even day laborer wants $12/hr.
 
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$25? I can't even get a high school kid to mow my lawn for $25. Even day laborer wants $12/hr.

High school kids these days won't even sell shit anymore (not that I liked door to door crap). They just hand is to their parents and they take it to work for them.

Same with anything else. Kids? Work? $0.25 lemonade stand? Pssh, I got an iPhone to play on.

That said, we can easily get lawn mowers for $25, sometimes $20. Of course, I live in an area where Mexicans are in abundance, so that may play a factor But as far as your point for $12/hr... uhhh... the guys that mow my lawn are in and out in ~20 minutes.
 

sportage

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Ok.... everybody just settle down.
My "point" was that any married couple in their 80's, both collecting SS and living a simple life, "could" live that life and continue to live fairly secure if both SS incomes remain secure.
However in this case, the death of a spouse and the drastic reduction in SS income for the survivor, that would be quite tragic. And that need not be.

Yes, I believe their house was in fact paid off, but most likely the old man will be forced to sell anyway then move into who knows where and probably at greater cost over all.
And besides, why should losing his wife also end up with losing his home?
In a perfect world, sure, maybe he should have worked at a job where he earned a pension, or started a 401K, despite back in that time people did not think of the stock market as their saving grace, unless your name happened to be Rockefeller.
Remember, the older folks suffered through the great depression.
So even if the 401K was an investment option for them, which I doubt it was, only a fool from their era would trust the market to save the day.
Look at it this way, they did what they needed to do during their younger productive years, and coming from that era, to give them both a fairly secure existence, which by the way they had achieved. For them, political greed nor governmental mismanagement never factored into their future. How can they be blamed? How could they have known? They played the game fair and honestly.

For all those of today pumping money into their 401K retirement, how do you know????
How do you know the economy and the stock market will come through for you when you reach 65?
Thing is, you don't know. you assume. You hope. But how do you know?
You can only "assume" that if you play the game fair and honest, and "they" play the game fair and honest as well, that your ship will come in.
That assumption just might be your downfall.

No, the old guy had no idea that the death of his wife also meant the death of her SS.
He, as most seniors still believe, he thought that he could still collect 50% of his late wife's SS earnings. And with that, survive life's challenges.
And you would also be surprised how many seniors nearing that golden age of 65 still believe they can retire with full SS benefits at 65.
Try telling any senior that the current retirement age is actually 66 and not 65, then just see how many say you are wrong.

Bottom line, and forget about all the graphs and charts, seniors living on SS and able to live on only SS should not find themselves screwed with or by changes to their SS benefits whether that change happened yesterday or 15 years ago.

My only point was, now you know and I too found out why Walmart hires 75 and 85 year old door greeters. And why suddenly folks in their seventies are handing buggers and fries out of a drive-thru window.
Now we know why someone 80 years old must suddenly re-enter the work force.
This is real. And this is happening. And there is no just reason for it to be happening. Not to our senior citizens, the weakest of the weak living in America,

And if you believe for one second that you are immune to such future financial terror, that you are all financially cozy for your own retirement, that no gotcha surprise will come along to toss a wrench in your happy golden years, well amigo... think again.
Unless you are part of that top 1% income bracket, or personally related to Donald Trump, the historical trend in America is that you too will fall victim of uncontrolled financial greed by others. Politicians, brokers, laws and courts.
Someone will believe they deserve your 401K more than you deserve it.
Someone will believe you are fair game and there will be no courtesy given.
And it will not matter who you vote for or how you vote, your dollar will become their dollar.

Social security was intended and thus labeled as such when the concept was first created.
Social security, plain and simple.
Just as today with investment and 401K retirement considered the new game in town for ensuring ones financially security.

No one should be forced back into the job market at the age of 85.
Especially when they had been doing just fine at the age of 84.
And no senior citizen should be forced out of their own home simply because government greed and mismanagement believed investing in war was more important than investing in our senior citizens. Especially when that investment originally came directly out of our seniors pocket.

So now you know....
And show a little compassion next time you are handed a coke out of a drive-thru window by an 80 year old man, or greeted with with WELCOME TO WAL-MART by some 75 year old great grandmother.
 

Brovane

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Remember, the older folks suffered through the great depression.
So even if the 401K was an investment option for them, which I doubt it was, only a fool from their era would trust the market to save the day.
Look at it this way, they did what they needed to do during their younger productive years, and coming from that era, to give them both a fairly secure existence, which by the way they had achieved. For them, political greed nor governmental mismanagement never factored into their future. How can they be blamed? How could they have known? They played the game fair and honestly.

My Grandparents lived through the Depression, born in 1917 and 1919 respectively. My Grandfather spent 42 years working for San Diego Gas and Electric and retired in 1978. The only time he didn't work for them was when he served during WW2 and his job was waiting for him when he got back. He started sweeping the floor for SDG&E and retired as the Manager of their Fleet Maintenance. My Grandmother never worked during their marriage and they raised two children. They carefully saved and bought SDG&E stock through employee purchase program. When my Grandfather retired the house was payed off and they lived on his Pension and Dividend payments from SDG&E stock. They banked the Social Security checks. When they wanted a new car they saved up money and bought a new car. The key items they saved, lived frugally and planned for their retirement. My Grandmother lived for almost 20 additional years after my Grandfather passed away from cancer but she never struggled because they had planned their finances.
 

pcgeek11

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Cliffs:

The retirement age is not 65.

The retirement age is 66, not 65.

Not everyone knows that the retirement age is 66 and not 65.

You be surprised how few people know the actual retirement age.

I had to tell someone who didn't know that the retirement age is 66 and not 65.

I personally know that the retirement age is 66 and not 65.

Military spending should be diverted to increase Social Security payouts even though the program is supposed to be paid for entirely by Social Security taxes (it's always been their money).

Even though the real problem has always been that the government spends the SS funds on things they shouldn't, I hate Bush, Republicans, and any associates.

Bush, Republicans, and their associates are PURE EVIL and tangentially responsible for absolutely everything I don't like!

PS: The retirement age for drawing Social Security is actually 66 and not 65. Surprised?

Not quite: Born after 1960 it is 67 years old.

Year of Birth * Full Retirement Age
1937 or earlier 65
1938 65 and 2 months
1939 65 and 4 months
1940 65 and 6 months
1941 65 and 8 months
1942 65 and 10 months
1943--1954 66
1955 66 and 2 months
1956 66 and 4 months
1957 66 and 6 months
1958 66 and 8 months
1959 66 and 10 months
1960 and later 67
 

Ketchup

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My Grandparents lived through the Depression, born in 1917 and 1919 respectively. My Grandfather spent 42 years working for San Diego Gas and Electric and retired in 1978. The only time he didn't work for them was when he served during WW2 and his job was waiting for him when he got back. He started sweeping the floor for SDG&E and retired as the Manager of their Fleet Maintenance. My Grandmother never worked during their marriage and they raised two children. They carefully saved and bought SDG&E stock through employee purchase program. When my Grandfather retired the house was payed off and they lived on his Pension and Dividend payments from SDG&E stock. They banked the Social Security checks. When they wanted a new car they saved up money and bought a new car. The key items they saved, lived frugally and planned for their retirement. My Grandmother lived for almost 20 additional years after my Grandfather passed away from cancer but she never struggled because they had planned their finances.

You beat me to it. People of that generation (for the most part) know how to save for retirement. People of my generation (gen x) and above, do not (for the most part). If nothing else, I hope the OP and other readers are learning a thing or two from this experience.
 

CZroe

Lifer
Jun 24, 2001
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Not quite: Born after 1960 it is 67 years old.

Year of Birth * Full Retirement Age
1937 or earlier 65
1938 65 and 2 months
1939 65 and 4 months
1940 65 and 6 months
1941 65 and 8 months
1942 65 and 10 months
1943--1954 66
1955 66 and 2 months
1956 66 and 4 months
1957 66 and 6 months
1958 66 and 8 months
1959 66 and 10 months
1960 and later 67


Tell Sportage.
 

IronWing

No Lifer
Jul 20, 2001
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Ok.... everybody just settle down.
[pointless drivel omitted]

As long as Americans continue to allow the percentage of GDP subject to SS taxation to decline through time, benefits will also decline. Real SS benefits have declined since the 1970s through the manipulation of official inflation rates and will continue to do so until voters decide to once again vote their self interests. Treat capital gains as regular income, subject to the SS tax, and raise the SS cap (and maximum benefits) and the SS crisis goes away.

The raising of the SS full retirement age was set in motion decades ago. If there are folks in their sixties who were unaware of this change in the program until now, well we can't fix dumb.
 

jsalpha2

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When I first started working retirement age was 55. It keeps going up. Soon it will be 68 or 70. The government made a promise to invest the money that they took out of our check every week for 40+ years and use it for our retirement. Everyone knows that they spent every penny and never intended to pay any benefits. People started to live to an older average age. The politicians panicked so they came out with Obamacare to make sure that we got less medical care and die faster. I am a diabetic and was told that between Sept and the end of the year I could get no insulin because I was in the doughnut hole? The old people get screwed, but people in jail get three squares, a warm place to sleep, medical and dental. The government has plenty of money to hand out to everyone except the ones who earned it.

You promise the mule a carrot, but at the end of the day the mule just gets put in the barn with nothing but a swift kick in the ass.
 

IronWing

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When I first started working retirement age was 55. It keeps going up. Soon it will be 68 or 70. The government made a promise to invest the money that they took out of our check every week for 40+ years and use it for our retirement. Everyone knows that they spent every penny and never intended to pay any benefits. People started to live to an older average age. The politicians panicked so they came out with Obamacare to make sure that we got less medical care and die faster. I am a diabetic and was told that between Sept and the end of the year I could get no insulin because I was in the doughnut hole? The old people get screwed, but people in jail get three squares, a warm place to sleep, medical and dental. The government has plenty of money to hand out to everyone except the ones who earned it.

You promise the mule a carrot, but at the end of the day the mule just gets put in the barn with nothing but a swift kick in the ass.
Vote your self interests.
 

Jumpem

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When I first started working retirement age was 55. It keeps going up. Soon it will be 68 or 70. The government made a promise to invest the money that they took out of our check every week for 40+ years and use it for our retirement. Everyone knows that they spent every penny and never intended to pay any benefits. People started to live to an older average age. The politicians panicked so they came out with Obamacare to make sure that we got less medical care and die faster. I am a diabetic and was told that between Sept and the end of the year I could get no insulin because I was in the doughnut hole? The old people get screwed, but people in jail get three squares, a warm place to sleep, medical and dental. The government has plenty of money to hand out to everyone except the ones who earned it.

You promise the mule a carrot, but at the end of the day the mule just gets put in the barn with nothing but a swift kick in the ass.
http://i.imgur.com/gQfEv4E.jpg

The Social Security retirement age has never been lower than 65.
 

boomerang

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My Grandparents lived through the Depression, born in 1917 and 1919 respectively. My Grandfather spent 42 years working for San Diego Gas and Electric and retired in 1978. The only time he didn't work for them was when he served during WW2 and his job was waiting for him when he got back. He started sweeping the floor for SDG&E and retired as the Manager of their Fleet Maintenance. My Grandmother never worked during their marriage and they raised two children. They carefully saved and bought SDG&E stock through employee purchase program. When my Grandfather retired the house was payed off and they lived on his Pension and Dividend payments from SDG&E stock. They banked the Social Security checks. When they wanted a new car they saved up money and bought a new car. The key items they saved, lived frugally and planned for their retirement. My Grandmother lived for almost 20 additional years after my Grandfather passed away from cancer but she never struggled because they had planned their finances.
The lesson in that, for those that can't determine it for themselves is 'personal responsibility'. It's not taught at home much, and it's not taught in schools. The attitude seems to be that Uncle Sugar will take care of me. He'll take care of me now and he'll take care of me in the future. People paying attention understand that Uncle Sugar ain't all that smart to begin with and when you factor in the greed that Uncle Sugar possesses, it's a recipe for something that doesn't turn out to taste very good at all.

Capitalism needs constraints. When we loosen those constraints we end up in trouble. When we institute or loosen up feel-good programs we end up in trouble. When we open our borders to anyone that wants in with no regard for the contributions they can make to our society and then support them and the extended family they eventually bring in, we get ourselves in trouble. We're in trouble right now and in a very, very big way.

We have people in power right now that see an advantage to collapsing the system. It's the only explanation I can come up with. What our government does, what our government is doing makes no sense yet there has to be a reason for them doing what they're doing. It certainly is not being done with the health and longevity of the nation in mind for it is counter-intuitive in every way. They continue because we enable them. We continue to support the political class who are looking out primarily for themselves and their donors.

If you vote this November to continue the policies of a man who has more than doubled our national debt in his time in office, you can absolutely do that. But know that you are contributing to the problem and that the viability of Social Security will end up being the least of your worries. The political class needs to be rocked back on their heels. They need to be brought to their knees and bludgeoned to within an inch of their lives. They then need to be banished forever from positions of power. Holding a political office needs to be restored to a position of service to the nation, not one of the nation serving the politician.

It's the only hope we have, our only chance to survive and we're the only ones that can make it happen.
 
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waggy

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I feel sorry for kids of my generation and on. The middle class is getting smaller. it seems more are having to work just to survive.

Rent, mortgage's etc have shot up while income hasn't.
 
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I feel sorry for kids of my generation and on. The middle class is getting smaller. it seems more are having to work just to survive.

Rent, mortgage's etc have shot up while income hasn't.

Inyet they have no one to blame but themselves. Demanding middle-class wages for taking orders at McDonalds. Are you fucking kidding me? People of past generations said, "I'll start at McDonalds and work my way up". Now people say "I'm content doing the same thing forever, but I want to be paid like I'm working hard".
 

waggy

No Lifer
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Inyet they have no one to blame but themselves. Demanding middle-class wages for taking orders at McDonalds. Are you fucking kidding me? People of past generations said, "I'll start at McDonalds and work my way up". Now people say "I'm content doing the same thing forever, but I want to be paid like I'm working hard".

no. i said middle class not high paying poor.

those asking for $15 for mcdonalds are just going be eventually replaced by machines.

I'm talking about those working real jobs making 30k or so. around here many people work a lot of hours and barely make 30k.
 

Ketchup

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About the first post, I don't want to pry, and I know there are a lot of circumstances we don't know, but if I were a single guy with no mortgage, car loans, or credit card bills, I think I could survive on $1,000 a month net income, assuming my insurance would cover my medical bills.

If SS was not covering my medical bills, I could see that being pretty tight.
 
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