Now that Apple has officially angered me ...

[Zaap]

You could just update it for her, LOL...

http://appleplugs.com/

HAHA! Now that's brave!

 

[Kazukian]

One of those cars is a 2007 Mini Cooper, which has the weirdest car radio design of all time. I can only imagine how much a replacement head unit would cost for that car.

http://www.crutchfield.com/g_300/All-Car-Stereos.html

It can be done.

 

[Kazukian]

One of those cars is a 2007 Mini Cooper, which has the weirdest car radio design of all time. I can only imagine how much a replacement head unit would cost for that car.

http://www.crutchfield.com/g_300/All-Car-Stereos.html

It can be done.

 

[imported_bman]

I really hope the average consumer doesn't get used to the sound quality you get from a $100 Bluetooth headset. Then again, people are ok with the subpar sound of bluetooth audio streaming in their cars now so I wouldn't be surprised.

Is this still an issue? I know Bluetooth 1 & 2 had significant issues, but Bluetooth 4.0 has 25mbps of bandwidth which is more than 10x the bandwidth needed perfect stereo sound (~1.6mbps).

 

[WelshBloke]

HAHA! Now that's brave courageous!

FTFY!

 

[AMDisTheBEST]

Why would anyone be pissed off? Every single member on this forum are eager to fork out thousands for an overpriced gadget from a big brand. If someone suggests it's waste of money or said anything contrary to the popular opinion, he would immediately gets bash by ad hominem. The most popular form of such attacks, which I encountered so many of personally, are the gratuitous assumption that the dissenting posts are from individuals who live in their parent's basement, typically around teenage years, and who couldn't afford any gadgets without begging their parents for money. Why is this such a trend on this forum nowadays? Why is this such a popular attack on this forum? Geeze, guess most of the members are ignorant, self-entitle, and condescending babyboomers from the 50s who believe they are above all.

Anyway, I am gonna say buying Apple is a huge waste and i would like to tell Apple, and their entire board of directors that their products are overpriced junks. Yep, i said it, now let the passionate Apple fans come and bash me all they want. I dont care.

 

[sweenish]

So brave.

 

[Eug]

I'll be putting in my order at 3 am tomorrow morning.

 

[Kazukian]

Here's some more on TMobile's promo:

https://newsroom.t-mobile.com/conte...pid=10451&cmpid=WTR_AF_Slickdeals+LLC&irgwc=1

 

[Eug]

Yes you can charge and listen to wired headphones at the same time, but it will require a dongle/dock.

Either this Belkin dongle:

Or this Apple dock:

...among others.

I saw a quote from Walt Mossberg during the Verge live stream that was something along the lines of "Jobs told me he was against wireless audio. 'Do you really want something else you have to charge?', he said."

So more of a customer satisfaction/practicality angle but another example of how he would likely be against this.

Jobs also small MP3 players were stupid, and then Apple released the iPod shuffle.

 

[lopri]

It makes no sense whatsoever to me. I could understand that if they made the phone smaller, thinner, etc., then yah it can be tough to accommodate 3.5mm jack. But the phones have the same casing and the ugly bezels.

 

[lopri]

And it appears that Apple is either bundling or selling the adapters for 3.5 mm jacks. So it is not like they think everyone should use wireless headphones or lightning headphones. What gives? I am genuinely curious. Is it because of waterproofing? But Samsung and other phone makers have been making water resistant phones with 3.5mm audio jacks just fine.

 

[Roland00Address]

I am reminded of this 1976 SNL sketch (Lily Tomlin playing Ernestine a character from Rowan and Martin's Laugh In, note Lily Tomlin did guest skits for other shows such as SNL with the ernestine character.

See youtube link for 1 minute long comedy sketch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHgUN_95UAw

Now that video is 40 years old and was referring to the monopoly of AT&T (at the time a monopoly by design). But now that Apple is the monopoly of the largely successful iOS they are the PHONE company. The video is still relevant and prescient seeing into the future.

We Don't Care. We Don't Have To. We're the Phone Company. - Lily Tomlin

 

[dainthomas]

And it appears that Apple is either bundling or selling the adapters for 3.5 mm jacks. So it is not like they think everyone should use wireless headphones or lightning headphones. What gives? I am genuinely curious. Is it because of waterproofing? But Samsung and other phone makers have been making water resistant phones with 3.5mm audio jacks just fine.

Actually more water resistant. (IP67 vs IP68).

 

[WelshBloke]

Yes you can charge and listen to wired headphones at the same time, but it will require a dongle/dock.

Either this Belkin dongle:

.

Won't you have to plug a dongle into that dongle?

 

[Fingolfin269]

I think the bundling/selling of the dongle is just to appease those who may not want to transition instantly. But this article basically sums up why Apple did this. It's not a surprise, and frankly something we have already been discussing. But there are some stats in here I was not aware of:

http://www.theverge.com/2016/9/8/12839758/apple-is-biggest-winner-from-killing-headphone-jack

And that’s just Lightning. More likely is that the lack of a headphone jack on the iPhone —and increasingly, on Android phones as well — will lead to an uptick in sales of Bluetooth headphones. And it just so happens that Apple owns the number one Bluetooth headphone company, Beats.

Beats brings in more revenue from Bluetooth headphones than LG, Bose, or Jaybird, according to NPD figures released in July. In terms of unit sales, it controls over a quarter of the Bluetooth headphone market.

I've bolded the key points but there is another point within the quote that is important to note. Some Android manufacturers are also removing the headphone jack. So this could be a trend that ends up being forced on us regardless (though I do think most would rather have USB-C as opposed to Lightning in this case.)

Bluetooth headphones are also disproportionately profitable among headphones. NPD has them accounting for 54 percent of all dollars spent in the market, despite representing only 17 percent of units sold in the US. These headphones sell at high prices with high margins, and Apple’s company is making the best of it so far.

$$$$$$$

 

[Fingolfin269]

Won't you have to plug a dongle into that dongle?

If you want to use 3.5mm headphones you will! But that of course just shows how awesome your headphones are. "I don't just listen to headphones, I go two dongles deep."

 

[Roland00Address]

Someone will make a great third party dongle, that will include a piece of string or some other attachment that will allow you to tie it to your existing headphones so it will be harder to lose.

Sure it is not as simple, sure it is an extra $10 cost, and it is not elegant but it is a practical solution.

 

[Kazukian]

Won't you have to plug a dongle into that dongle?

Would that make it a dangle?

 

[Ns1]

I was outraged at first but this will probably be like removing media players from laptops.

Wireless is definitely the way of the future.

 

[lxskllr]

Wireless is definitely the way of the future.

Wieless sucks. My daughter was having issues with wifi at school on her Win8(foolish!) laptop. She could have used an ethernet cable, but since I bought the machine due to the steep 10¢ discount, it didn't have an ethernet port.

Computers are tools. It's a tool's job to be functional. If some function doesn't add significantly to cost, size, or weight, it should always be included. If you use an ethernet port once the whole time you have the computer, that extra 10¢ paid for itself 1000 fold. When you're at a foreign location, and want to plug into a friends cheap 2.1 speakers, that 50¢ audio jack pays for itself 1000 fold.

What pisses me off about the whole thing as a 'never apple' user, is all the apple wannabees are gonna copy them. When it's time for me to get a new phone, the retardation will have permeated the whole industry, and I'll have to hunt down "vintage" phones :^S

 

[Kazukian]

Wieless sucks. My daughter was having issues with wifi at school on her Win8(foolish!) laptop. She could have used an ethernet cable, but since I bought the machine due to the steep 10¢ discount, it didn't have an ethernet port.

Computers are tools. It's a tool's job to be functional. If some function doesn't add significantly to cost, size, or weight, it should always be included. If you use an ethernet port once the whole time you have the computer, that extra 10¢ paid for itself 1000 fold. When you're at a foreign location, and want to plug into a friends cheap 2.1 speakers, that 50¢ audio jack pays for itself 1000 fold.

What pisses me off about the whole thing as a 'never apple' user, is all the apple wannabees are gonna copy them. When it's time for me to get a new phone, the retardation will have permeated the whole industry, and I'll have to hunt down "vintage" phones :^S

Hush you, go poke someone in P&N in the eye

I hear you, though, don't think the rest of the industry will follow anytime soon, it'll take years.

 

[Ns1]

Wieless sucks. My daughter was having issues with wifi at school on her Win8(foolish!) laptop. She could have used an ethernet cable, but since I bought the machine due to the steep 10¢ discount, it didn't have an ethernet port.

the obvious answer is to get a new daughter.

wifi rules 98% of the time, ethernet is great for the other 2% when I need to transfer at 1.5mb//sec.


are you mad that console systems ship with wireless controllers instead of wired controllers too?

 

[lxskllr]

the obvious answer is to get a new daughter.

wifi rules 98% of the time, ethernet is great for the other 2% when I need to transfer at 1.5mb//sec.


are you mad that console systems ship with wireless controllers instead of wired controllers too?

I haven't had a console since the atari 2600. That had wired controllers, and they worked flawlessly til the plastic ring inside broke.

If consoles don't come with ports for wired controllers, it's wrong. As long as the ports are there, what it ships with is a triviality.

 

[Aikouka]

As I mentioned in the Apple sub-forum thread, I'm expecting some case manufacturer to build a case with a built-in DAC that puts a 3.5mm jack on the bottom and still provides a lightning pass-through. It would probably slightly obfuscate a speaker, but cases already do this to a degree. The case could also "funnel" the sound through a smaller hole. (Not great, but better than blocking it.)

The difficulty of designing a case like this is... what concession do you make? 3.5mm jacks are fairly long (about 14mm looking at a pair of headphones that I have right here) and that would have to be added to a modestly sized phone (iPhone 7) and a large phone (iPhone 7+) in some dimension. It might be easier to add to the thickness of the phone since a case will have to take into account the camera bump as it is.