Now that the election is over, how long before we see a draft?

[Shelly21]

Originally posted by: notfred

Originally posted by: Shelly21
don't care if there's a draft, won't affect me.

Don't care if you get raped, beaten, and left to die in an alley, won't affect me.

exactly, you have to worry about youself before you worry about someone else.

 

[dnuggett]

Originally posted by: glugglug
I think that the only reason we haven't seen one yet is because a draft will obviously reduce Bush's popularity. But it is going to become necessary as the Iraq quagmire continues and we move back into Afghanistan with the new threats, and also for the invasions of Iran, Syria, France, and Canada. :evil: So now that the next 4 years are "secured", I think it is coming very soon.

Wow, you, like your party seem to be in the severe minority.

 

[Spencer278]

I would guess 6 months to a year depending one how good or bad Iraq goes.

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: assemblage
add another instrument to the lib whine orchestra

Charlie Rangle, a Democrat, wants the draft, not Bush. Duh

No!

Bush lied and invaded Iraq!

 

[TheAudit]

Originally posted by: spidey07
We won't.

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: assemblage
add another instrument to the lib whine orchestra

Charlie Rangle, a Democrat, wants the draft, not Bush. Duh

Originally posted by: Codewiz
Considering it was THE DEMOCRATS that introduced the bill to start a draft, don't try to lay it on GWB

You guys are repeating the talking points without understanding the whole story. Of course the Republicans did not introduce a Draft bill before the election. That would have been politically stupid. That does NOT mean they won't call for a draft after the election. Many people believe a draft will be necessary -- NECESSARY -- if Bush continues on his current course. Right or wrong, they do not see how we can possibly maintain our current military activities on the backs of Guardsmen and Reservists.

Rangel & Co. introduced the Draft bill to force this issue into the public eye. They want Bush and the Republican Congress-critters on the record as saying there will be no draft. It may not stop the Draft -- again, many feel there will be no viable alternatives -- but it gives the Dems ammunition in 2006 and 2008, and helps ensure Bush & Co. won't rush to institute a draft.

 

[assemblage]

No lie. And Charlie Rangle did introduce legislation to reinstate the draft. Bush did not do that. In addition Saddam was responible for his own actions that caused the conflict, not Bush. Point is moot though since Bush won. I'm sure you'll keep whining and lieing unitil you get your way.

 

[DT4K]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Anybody that doesn't think there will be a draft is a fool. They won't call it a draft, they'll call it "Mandatory Conscription" or something like that.

Ummm, yeah, that democratic bill was just voted on in the house. The only two yes votes were democrats.

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: DT4K

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Anybody that doesn't think there will be a draft is a fool. They won't call it a draft, they'll call it "Mandatory Conscription" or something like that.

Ummm, yeah, that democratic bill was just voted on in the house. The only two yes votes were democrats.

I can't find the voting record offhand...got a link?

 

[IamElectro]

Originally posted by: Codewiz
Considering it was THE DEMOCRATS that introduced the bill to start a draft, don't try to lay it on GWB

This would be true.

To the OP
You can not believe everthing you see on MTV.

 

[T2T III]

Before there is any draft what-so-ever, America will go on a carpet bombing campaign to rid a country of its citizens vs. sending thousands upon thousands of ground troops in to do the fighting. Granted, this is not a logical choice in any way, I just suspect that's a position we'll take before getting into a long, drawn-out war with another country.

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: DT4K

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Anybody that doesn't think there will be a draft is a fool. They won't call it a draft, they'll call it "Mandatory Conscription" or something like that.

Ummm, yeah, that democratic bill was just voted on in the house. The only two yes votes were democrats.

Originally posted by: IamElectro

Originally posted by: Codewiz
Considering it was THE DEMOCRATS that introduced the bill to start a draft, don't try to lay it on GWB

This would be true.

To the OP
You can not believe everthing you see on MTV.

If I may repeat myself, you are repeating the talking points without understanding the whole story. Of course the Republicans did not introduce a Draft bill before the election. That would have been politically stupid. That does NOT mean they won't call for a draft after the election. Many people believe a draft will be necessary -- NECESSARY -- if Bush continues on his current course. Right or wrong, they do not see how we can possibly maintain our current military activities on the backs of Guardsmen and Reservists.

Rangel & Co. introduced the Draft bill to force this issue into the public eye. They want Bush and the Republican Congress-critters on the record as saying there will be no draft. It may not stop the Draft -- again, many feel there will be no viable alternatives -- but it gives the Dems ammunition in 2006 and 2008, and helps ensure Bush & Co. won't rush to institute a draft.

Does this "prove" the Republicans want a draft? Not at all. Just be clear that the Democrats do NOT want a draft. They are trying to prevent one. It is not intuitive, but it is true.


Edit: typo

 

[DT4K]

Originally posted by: BowfingerIf I mat repeat myself, you are repeating the talking points without understanding the whole story. Of course the Republicans did not introduce a Draft bill before the election. That would have been politically stupid. That does NOT mean they won't call for a draft after the election. Many people believe a draft will be necessary -- NECESSARY -- if Bush continues on his current course. Right or wrong, they do not see how we can possibly maintain our current military activities on the backs of Guardsmen and Reservists.

Rangel & Co. introduced the Draft bill to force this issue into the public eye. They want Bush and the Republican Congress-critters on the record as saying there will be no draft. It may not stop the Draft -- again, many feel there will be no viable alternatives -- but it gives the Dems ammunition in 2006 and 2008, and helps ensure Bush & Co. won't rush to institute a draft.

Does this "prove" the Republicans want a draft? Not at all. Just be clear that the Democrats do NOT want a draft. They are trying to prevent one. It is not intuitive, but it is true.

Duh. Obviously the dems dont want a draft. Even Rangle voted against his own bill. Nobody said they did. Saying this was done to prevent one is 100% ridiculous. It was done to bring up the idea of a draft so they could use it as a scare tactic. But obviously there are at least 2 democrats who actually do want a draft.

 

[EagleKeeper]

The election is over.

Stop repeating the scare tactic sound bites.

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: Shelly21

Originally posted by: Geekbabe

Originally posted by: Shelly21
don't care if there's a draft, won't affect me.

Do you have a husband or b/friend? Do you have sons or a brother? Do you have male friends?

Of course it will effect you!

As a mother this war concerns and worries me and it outrages me that for the toll our troops have already paid that we aren't securing totally free oil/gas for this nation!

sometimes, maybe a few more people have to die to get the message accross. i did my part and it didn't help.

i guess i'm really a coward and a loner, perhaps the apathy is taking over.

How old are you?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Sheesh - not another one...

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
:roll: Why isn't this locked up yet? Sheesh - do we need yet another FUD draft thread? :roll:

CsG

CsG

 

[Yax]

Isn't it already like a draft when you force people who already served their term to stay in Iraq for an extended term? Well, isn't it?

I'm all for a draft as long as its for men between 18-25. More of em get drafted, more women will be available for the ones who managed to hit 26 and up.

 

[Babbles]

I feel sorry for you democrats that have idiots like this in your party.

 

[glugglug]

Technically I am not a party member (yet).

I voted democrat this year purely as the lesser of 2 evils. Well actually I don't think Kerry was bad, but he wasn't a great candidate either.

 

[dnuggett]

Originally posted by: Yax
Isn't it already like a draft when you force people who already served their term to stay in Iraq for an extended term? Well, isn't it?

No.

 

[DeMeo]

You mispelled draught, and the sooner I see one, the better.

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: DT4K

Originally posted by: BowfingerIf I may repeat myself, you are repeating the talking points without understanding the whole story. Of course the Republicans did not introduce a Draft bill before the election. That would have been politically stupid. That does NOT mean they won't call for a draft after the election. Many people believe a draft will be necessary -- NECESSARY -- if Bush continues on his current course. Right or wrong, they do not see how we can possibly maintain our current military activities on the backs of Guardsmen and Reservists.

Rangel & Co. introduced the Draft bill to force this issue into the public eye. They want Bush and the Republican Congress-critters on the record as saying there will be no draft. It may not stop the Draft -- again, many feel there will be no viable alternatives -- but it gives the Dems ammunition in 2006 and 2008, and helps ensure Bush & Co. won't rush to institute a draft.

Does this "prove" the Republicans want a draft? Not at all. Just be clear that the Democrats do NOT want a draft. They are trying to prevent one. It is not intuitive, but it is true.

Duh. Obviously the dems dont want a draft. Even Rangle voted against his own bill. Nobody said they did. Saying this was done to prevent one is 100% ridiculous. It was done to bring up the idea of a draft so they could use it as a scare tactic. But obviously there are at least 2 democrats who actually do want a draft.

Sorry, it is not obvious to me. Who are the two Democrats who want a draft? As you point out, Rangle voted against it.

I also disagree with your claim that the bill was only a scare tactic. The problem of adequate troop levels is very, very real. It will have to be addressed by this administration. I have yet to hear a realistic solution from Bush & Co. Based on his past performance, it is easy to see how Bush might rush to the easy solution. By submitting this bill and getting Bush's denial on the record, the Democrats made a preemptive move to deter him from doing so.

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Sheesh - not another one...

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
:roll: Why isn't this locked up yet? Sheesh - do we need yet another FUD draft thread? :roll:

CsG

CsG

Yeah, seriously...Is there really a point to the fear-mongering anymore guys? The election's over...

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Sheesh - not another one...

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
:roll: Why isn't this locked up yet? Sheesh - do we need yet another FUD draft thread? :roll:

CsG

CsG

Yeah, seriously...Is there really a point to the fear-mongering anymore guys? The election's over...

You know kids, if you're so convinced this is a troll thread, why do you keep bumping it with your thread-crapping posts? Ignore it. Post in other threads. Find something positive to do with your time. If enough people agree with you, the thread will die on its own.

Believe it or not, there are valid points of view and opinions besides the officially approved Bush talking points. This tactic of constantly whining to the moderators to lock every thread you disagree with is getting really old. Not one of you has addressed the issue of how we maintain adequate troop levels.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Sheesh - not another one...

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
:roll: Why isn't this locked up yet? Sheesh - do we need yet another FUD draft thread? :roll:

CsG

CsG

Yeah, seriously...Is there really a point to the fear-mongering anymore guys? The election's over...

You know kids, if you're so convinced this is a troll thread, why do you keep bumping it with your thread-crapping posts? Ignore it. Post in other threads. Find something positive to do with your time. If enough people agree with you, the thread will die on its own.

Believe it or not, there are valid points of view and opinions besides the officially approved Bush talking points. This tactic of constantly whining to the moderators to lock every thread you disagree with is getting really old. Not one of you has addressed the issue of how we maintain adequate troop levels.

Well, if you kids are so concerned about the draft -why don't you use the search function instead of posting thread after thread about a draft that is not going to happen.
Believe it or not, this FUD campaign by the most extreme of the extreme left was shot down as congress brought it to a vote and it was soundly defeated because it was tripe.
We have adequate troop levels and recruiting is not a problem.
But hey - if this FUD helps you sleep at night - then hey - have at it -but please use the search function first.

CsG