Now that the GTX 260 is the same price as the 4870...

[imported_jor8888]

"Nvidia stock plummeted Thursday, a day after the graphics chipmaker lowered its revenue forecast and said it would have to take a one-time charge of $150 million to $200 million for products that failed in notebooks.
Nvidia stock fell about 30% to less than $13, as investors showed little confidence in the company following its negative reports."

"Nvidia blamed the lower estimate on a drop in demand and on competitive pressure that forced the company to lower pricing. Nvidia's main rival is Advanced Micro Devices, which makes the ATI line of graphics cards. "

How can u not expect a drop in demand for a $600 card when the economic is in a shit hole right now lol.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Originally posted by: LightningRider
I've ordered a GTX260 from step up which only cost me $80. I'm also getting my HD4870 today. I'm planning on selling the GTX260 on ebay for at least $300+.

Do you guys think it would be better to keep the GTX260 and sell the HD4870 now?

Test both. See what you like the best. Then sell the one you dont like.

 

[bangmal]

After 30% drop in the market value?
It looks like a clearance sale of nv's two weeks old product
pathetic

 

[LightningRider]

I'd test both but I don't want to open the package of the one I want to sell to increase the price I can get for it.

I think I'm just going to keep the HD4870. nVidia deserves to lose a bit of market share after all the milking they did to us

 

[bangmal]

Originally posted by: BenSkywalker

Not weird at all, it's a port of a 360 game. If you saw MGS4 ported to the PC you would likely see a comparable edge for nV's parts(SplinterCell on the PC, while it performed OK on ATi hardware looked like crap in comparison due to the title's XBox routes and hand tuned nV code).

your explanation does not explain, the game Lost Planet was first appeared on the xbox 360, you know how it ended up.

Said another way, they could buy up over half of AMD as a whole just using liquidity. nV is on a very different financial level then AMD.

You are confused. AMD has 2 billions more in revenue than NVDA and has more cash. The balance sheet looks bad was because of the huge NON-Recurring expense from acquiring ATI.

 

[ginfest]

Originally posted by: LightningRider
I've ordered a GTX260 from step up which only cost me $80. I'm also getting my HD4870 today. I'm planning on selling the GTX260 on ebay for at least $300+.

Do you guys think it would be better to keep the GTX260 and sell the HD4870 now?

I did the same but it's the 4870 that's headed to Ebay once the 260 arrives

 

[LightningRider]

And why is that, ginfest, what made you give up the HD4870?

 

[raddreamer3kx]

isnt the 4870 the faster card, most benchmarks Ive seen prove this. Why the GTX 260 over the 4870 for you?

 

[ginfest]

There are a few reasons. The 4870 is quickin the games that I play but not "noticeably" faster than my 9800! The max FPS are better but the min FPS are worse. When the bottom falls out it's more noticeable (and IMHO annoying) than having a slower consistent avg FPS. It also is quite a bit louder and hotter although the HS/fan works well. The image quality in AoC is actually worse with the Cat drivers than the Forceware. And yes I have the beta Cat 8.7 with the supposed AoC fixes! The texture flickering especially in the cities is driving me crazy.
I'm also playing ME and a couple of the EA Sports titles right now and again there are glitches that I didn't have b4 the 4870.
The step-up is costing me approx $80.00 and that cost, combined with the price that I paid for the 9800 is worth it to me.
You know ATI has some great parts price/perf wise but the story isn't as always as straightforward as the some here (and elsewhere ) would have you believe. There is a lot of propaganda on forums and anti-"whoever is the current big-dog" sentiment. I have been using 3D since the Voodoo 1 and have seen alot re hardware and software (drivers)
For me, for my $300.00-$400.00 I'll go with what makes my gaming experience better for me.
Oh and if the 260 isn't better than my 9800 per the above, it'll go too and on to the next part

 

[bryanW1995]

Originally posted by: JPB

Originally posted by: nRollo

Originally posted by: Powernick50
in bioshock freaking ATI cards rule by like 30-40% increase in FPS...kinda a wierd sitation

I haven't seen ATi cards benchmarked with AA in Bioshock, it used to be the couldn't run AA in Bioshock.

Is that still the case?

<If so, I don't consider any Bioshock comnparisons valid, as NVIDIA can run AA.

Or is it because, ATI just simple kicks Nvidia ass in Bioshock ? Which they do. But I can say this right now, I have been eye balling the GTX 260 ASUS model for a while. And now it is only $329

Very tempting now that the price dropped.

dude, zzf has that msi gtx 260 for $259 AR, why would you pay 329 just to get the asus name?

 

[Zap]

Originally posted by: allies
$100 price drop in less than a month. I laugh at nvidia.

Why? Don't you like competition and resulting lower prices? iPhone much?

 

[bryanW1995]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: bryanW1995

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Well that puts a turd in the ATi punchbowl.......! That is, until the X2 takes the single-card crown.

no, this is the only option that nvidia had. frankly, I'm surprised that they waited so long to do it. they tried to piss in amd's wheaties ( to continue with the defecatory metaphors ) with 9800gtx+ with little effect, they had to be hoping that 4870 wouldn't be quite so strong. nvidia's big problem here is that they can only hurt themselves here: amd will be able to lower prices much better than nvidia, and a huge price war will only stir up the market even more and net more sales for amd. nvidia needs to invest some of their billions in a time machine to get them to Q1 2009...

LOL. You almost made me spit out what I was drinking.


They dropped prices enough to where people will buy them. Im sure they will sell quite well now, unless ATi responds with price drops, then the cycle just continues. Im sure people who no-way-in-hell would have bought a 260/280 48 hours ago are seriously considering them.

There is no way I would have bought a 260 outright a day ago (The one I have cost me ~$100 on a step-up, so it was a no-brainer), but now I will happily shell out $299 or lower for another one for my first SLI setup.


Now if AMD can do this to Intel, a nice quad core Nehalem wont be so expensive.......

Edit: Not to crap on anyones birthday cake or anything

Now I think we're just pissin' in the wind...

Why? Don't you like competition and resulting lower prices? iPhone much?

:laugh:

 

[LightningRider]

I think I'm still gonna stick with the HD4870. I'll have it before the GTX260 and the HD4870 does perform better most of the time than the GTX260. Plus I get DX10.1. Turning the fan up a little bit will resolve any heat issues so I'm told. Many have their 4870s idling at 45-50C with the fan at only 30-40% so that's fine with me. Also, I'm sure that any bugs in the drivers will be fixed when the official Catalyst release for the 4000 series.

 

[solofly]

Originally posted by: Zap

Originally posted by: allies
$100 price drop in less than a month. I laugh at nvidia.

Why? Don't you like competition and resulting lower prices? iPhone much?

I think he means big shot nvidia can charge us whatever they want... (but not anymore thanks to ATI and soon Intel)

 

[sxr7171]

Originally posted by: Astrallite
While probably not worth their cost by the nVidia GT200 series does very well in the minimum fps department, which is important in determining how smooth a game plays.

At $260 I'd say for me the GTX 260 is better.

 

[Magusigne]

It 260 I'd say they are right on par at the very least.

 

[tvdang7]

its after rebate

 

[sxr7171]

Originally posted by: bryanW1995

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Well that puts a turd in the ATi punchbowl.......! That is, until the X2 takes the single-card crown.

no, this is the only option that nvidia had. frankly, I'm surprised that they waited so long to do it. they tried to piss in amd's wheaties ( to continue with the defecatory metaphors ) with 9800gtx+ with little effect, they had to be hoping that 4870 wouldn't be quite so strong. nvidia's big problem here is that they can only hurt themselves here: amd will be able to lower prices much better than nvidia, and a huge price war will only stir up the market even more and net more sales for amd. nvidia needs to invest some of their billions in a time machine to get them to Q1 2009...

Well you are referring to an excretory process. Defecation is egestion.

 

[Magusigne]

Originally posted by: sxr7171

Originally posted by: bryanW1995

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Well that puts a turd in the ATi punchbowl.......! That is, until the X2 takes the single-card crown.

no, this is the only option that nvidia had. frankly, I'm surprised that they waited so long to do it. they tried to piss in amd's wheaties ( to continue with the defecatory metaphors ) with 9800gtx+ with little effect, they had to be hoping that 4870 wouldn't be quite so strong. nvidia's big problem here is that they can only hurt themselves here: amd will be able to lower prices much better than nvidia, and a huge price war will only stir up the market even more and net more sales for amd. nvidia needs to invest some of their billions in a time machine to get them to Q1 2009...

Well you are referring to an excretory process. Defecation is egestion.

Oooo..he just Egested on you! Booyakasha

 

[zod96]

When the GTX260 gets to under $300 without a rebate I'll bit but not before. And from what I've heard the GXT260 is much louder than the 4870

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: tvdang7
its after rebate

Yea you are right. I tried to spend some rebate $$ that I got off a pair of OCZ sticks, and they laughed me out of the store.

 

[Intelman07]

The 4870 is still the superior card to the GT 260. You'd have to bring the GT 280 down to 300 bucks before I'd consider one of the new Nvidia cards.

 

[solofly]

Originally posted by: Intelman07
The 4870 is still the superior card to the GT 260.

In just about everyway...

 

[deadseasquirrel]

One thing I have to consider is which card will actually fit in my case. Can anyone verify a GTX 260 fitting into a P160 case easily without resorting to hacksaws, blowtorches, soldering irons, or shoehorns? My current x1900xtx fits tightly as it is, but it looks like the extra half-inch for the 4870 should be ok. I just don't think an extra 1.5inches will fit in this dang case, without serious modifications.

So, depending on the length of the 4870x2 (as well as power req's-- I only have 2 x 6-pin), I might be limited to only the 4870 at this point.

 

[SlowSpyder]

I'd still personally be leaning towards the 4870. AMD has shown over the last year that they make releasing official driver updates a priority. I can't see Havok not taking off, it has AMD and Intel behind it, it's not like when AMD was trying to push 3DNow! alone. Not to mention DX10.1 which will certainly get some support, it's not all important or anything, but no doubt that there will be games that support it and you'll be left without it with the GTX260. I doubt anyone will be unhappy with either card around $300 though.