Now that we have a misogynist as the head of our country, how will America's values change in 4yrs?

[JEDI]

grabbing pussy w/o consent is treated like hugging a woman who didn't want to be hugged?
Prostitution will be legalized for all the US, at a faster rate than Marijuana is legalized?
even more pressure on girls to look pretty and not get fat, even after having a baby or 2.

or will the opposite happen?
there will be so much backlash and CONSTANT challenge to his ideals that girls will be empowered more than ever?

 

[momeNt]

Bralm down co.

We don't even have the full story on the pussy grabbing thing. There may have been some consent or context that it could be reasonably to deduce consent in many or all of those cases.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

High-test alpha males will reassert their stance of dominance in society, taking all the women, and low-test beta males will be relegated to perpetual virginity, until they reach a breaking point, beginning the beta uprising and a total upheaval of all sociosexual norms.

 

[cbrunny]

I actually think this is one of the most interesting things that can come out of the result. Policy aside, the guy is a misogynist and racist and has bragged about sexual assaults. This will have real implications, no doubt. I'm very curious to see what happens next. These are largely the reasons why the rest of the world thinks the USA is a shit show. The most powerful man in the country, holder of an idolized office, is a complete asshole. Even before you get to policy, this is significant.

 

[cbrunny]

Bralm down co.

We don't even have the full story on the pussy grabbing thing. There may have been some consent or context that it could be reasonably to deduce consent in many or all of those cases.

joke post.

 

[momeNt]

joke post.

He actually said there was consent. He said, quote "they let you do it".

 

[cbrunny]

He actually said there was consent. He said, quote "they let you do it".

ohh.. consent after. you mean the kind of consent that isn't consent at all. gotcha.

 

[momeNt]

ohh.. consent after. you mean the kind of consent that isn't consent at all. gotcha.

What are you talking about?

Do you come from an affirmative consent state / country?

"Yes, you may take me upstairs and crush my pussy at this time."

 

[cbrunny]

What are you talking about?

Do you come from an affirmative consent state / country?

"Yes, you may take me upstairs and crush my pussy at this time."

There is only one kind of consent.

 

[momeNt]

There is only one kind of consent.

Sometimes if you actually spell out how you feelon a matter, instead of only responding to others, you'll get a better grasp of your own views and opinions. So, this being a forum and all, tell us your views on consent.

 

[sdifox]

This has huge foreign policy implications. The free world will not be as willing to follow USA now that it has shown it does not have its own house in order.

 

[cbrunny]

Sometimes if you actually spell out how you feelon a matter, instead of only responding to others, you'll get a better grasp of your own views and opinions. So, this being a forum and all, tell us your views on consent.

I think i've been pretty clear actually. consent is not ambiguous. It is an absolute. It is either present or it is not.

I don't really understand how anyone could believe there's some gray area where you can grab a pussy hoping that they don't object, and that's actually an ok thing to do. I think it is you that should explain your perspective on consent, and please explain how consent for an action can be given after the action happens.

 

[momeNt]

I think i've been pretty clear actually. consent is not ambiguous. It is an absolute. It is either present or it is not.

I don't really understand how anyone could believe there's some gray area where you can grab a pussy hoping that they don't object, and that's actually an ok thing to do. I think it is you that should explain your perspective on consent, and please explain how consent for an action can be given after the action happens.

How does one ascertain the presence of consent? Is it in any way possible that Trump may have received a message of consent before grabbing any woman by the pussy or kissing them?

 

[Maverick177]

Woman will literally get raped on the streets 24/7.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

ATP&N comedy at it's finest

 

[cbrunny]

How does one ascertain the presence of consent? Is it in any way possible that Trump may have received a message of consent before grabbing any woman by the pussy or kissing them?

well, if consent is not present, there is no consent.

Trump could have received a message of consent. One particular example of how this may have happened could be as follows:

Woman: "Yes, you can grab my pussy."

I'm sure there are many ways messages of consent can be delivered. Just as there are many ways a message indicating there is no consent can be delivered.

I don't really understand how anyone could believe there's some gray area where you can grab a pussy hoping that they don't object, and that's actually an ok thing to do. I think it is you that should explain your perspective on consent, and please explain how consent for an action can be given after the action happens.

 

[FerrelGeek]

We survived the one we had in the 90s, we'll survive this one as well.

 

[glenn1]

I actually think this is one of the most interesting things that can come out of the result. Policy aside, the guy is a misogynist and racist and has bragged about sexual assaults. This will have real implications, no doubt. I'm very curious to see what happens next. These are largely the reasons why the rest of the world thinks the USA is a shit show. The most powerful man in the country, holder of an idolized office, is a complete asshole. Even before you get to policy, this is significant.

That's the case in plenty of other countries also. Italians can point to Berlusconi and say "what took you so long to elect an asshole." Or the French with Sarkozy pointing to Angela Merkel and saying "She says she is on a diet and then helps herself to a second helping of cheese." Et cetera.

 

[JEDI]

There is only one kind of consent.

according to trump's views, when she actively says no

 

[momeNt]

well, if consent is not present, there is no consent.

Trump could have received a message of consent. One particular example of how this may have happened could be as follows:

Woman: "Yes, you can grab my pussy."

I'm sure there are many ways messages of consent can be delivered. Just as there are many ways a message indicating there is no consent can be delivered.

I don't really understand how anyone could believe there's some gray area where you can grab a pussy hoping that they don't object, and that's actually an ok thing to do. I think it is you that should explain your perspective on consent, and please explain how consent for an action can be given after the action happens.

You are projecting that he grabbed a pussy while "hoping that they don't object". You do not know that to be true, yet that is your main argument?

Here are some examples of nonverbal consent to touching.

Reaching your hand out to get shaken. An unwanted touching is a battery, by offering your hand you are consenting to the touching, without saying "yes, you can grab my hand and shake it".

Same goes for a hug. Same goes for an offering of pussy to be grabbed.

 

[sdifox]

That's the case in plenty of other countries also. Italians can point to Berlusconi and say "what took you so long to elect an asshole." Or the French with Sarkozy pointing to Angela Merkel and saying "She says she is on a diet and then helps herself to a second helping of cheese." Et cetera.

Except they are not electing the leader of the free world.

 

[cbrunny]

You are projecting that he grabbed a pussy while "hoping that they don't object". You do not know that to be true, yet that is your main argument?

Here are some examples of nonverbal consent to touching.

Reaching your hand out to get shaken. An unwanted touching is a battery, by offering your hand you are consenting to the touching, without say "yes, you can grab my hand and shake it".

Same goes for a hug. Same goes for an offering of pussy to be grabbed.

main argument?

how often do you grab pussy on the street?

 

[momeNt]

main argument?

Main argument to the alleged sexual assault caught on hot mic.

Also included a late edit, it's quoted in your response, but I don't think you read it.

 

[cbrunny]

Main argument to the alleged sexual assault caught on hot mic.

Also included a late edit, it's quoted in your response, but I don't think you read it.

you've ignored this multiple times:

I don't really understand how anyone could believe there's some gray area where you can grab a pussy hoping that they don't object, and that's actually an ok thing to do. I think it is you that should explain your perspective on consent, and please explain how consent for an action can be given after the action happens.

 

[cbrunny]

Main argument to the alleged sexual assault caught on hot mic.

Also included a late edit, it's quoted in your response, but I don't think you read it.

i dont know what you mean. i'm not making an argument about the alleged sexual assault. i'm saying that consent is a thing that exists and should be respected.